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@Stephen
No, you didn't say that A credible historian had said NO, Jesus didn't exist, what you said IS that "EVERY credible historian WILL say NO the bible Jesus didn't ever exist".
You've finally found what I actually wrote, you can now apologise for claiming that I wrote something else. You won't.
Yet here you are, still denying you wrote this at post 24 page 1 ?
I've never denied writing that. I've denied writing what you claimed I had written because it was a lie.
I want you to show us all some "credible historians" that will say " NO" the bible Jesus didn't ever exist. It is obvious you cannot do that.
That is a question that would need to be put to a credible historian. A credible historian cannot in all honesty attest to the historicity of the miracle working bible Jesus without by implication attesting to the historicity of the miracles and such an attestation cannot be made in fact.
This I have found is typical of you. You just fire off anything without a single thought. You have on many occasions been asked by me to support your claim. You have failed AGAIN. You have tried moving the goalposts, you have added text to your original statement hoping no one will notice and you now have suggested that others should now provide YOU with a " credible historian who attests to the historicity of the bible Jesus" .
I choose my words carefully and you read what you want to see, if you wish to discuss anything with me then refrain from lying about what I write, it's you who attacks without any thought whatsoever. Now reexamine what I've written and see if you can understand it before you reply to what's in your head not on the page.
As we can see your conclusion are only worthy of being washed out of the milking yard.
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The funny thing is that those who yearn for a dictator who will make all of their hateful wishes come true actually believe that they will be immune to the human destruction they so fervently yearn for. Fools and their paradises.
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What exactly frightens you people? As far as I can see it's difference, you are xenophobes. Grow up.
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Did I just see an amputee enter stage left? Or was I mistaken.
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@linate
Can your god be illogical?
Can your god be a murderer?
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@Stephen
Reading comprehension is simply beyond you isn't it. I never said that a credible historian had said "" no, Jesus didn't exist"
Ask questions related to what I said, not what you would want me to say.
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@Outplayz
Spirituality has never been proven to exist outside of human imagination.
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And this is what does it.
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rejects the overwhelming majority of god stories.
Why is that?
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How many god stories do most godists reject and claim to be untrue?
God stories woo hoo, nobody believes 99% of them, especially godists.
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For at least 5yrs no godist has been able to provide a credible historian who attests to the historicity of the miracle working bible Jesus and yet godists still claim that he existed.
There is as much evidence that Noah existed and that is NONE.
Poor little things are godists.
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Have none of you godists found a credible historian who attests to the historicity of the miracle working bible Jesus and such attestation?
The answer is no, as it has been for all the years I've been asking this question.
You see you actually know the answer but admitting it destroys your misheld beliefs and that frightens the bejesus outa ya.
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There is absolutely no doubt that gods need humans. Without humans there would not even be any god stories which most godists reject, much less any gods.
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Just look at how the devout try so desperately to defend their unabashed racism, it is so sad.
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@Stephen
What makes you so fearful of responding? Are you recompensed for your irritation?
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@Stephen
That's not what I said, as I told you earlier. Go away you annoy me.
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@Castin
Perhaps you could supply a list of who I hated and who I loved on DDO. I'd be fascinated and some evidentiary support for your claims would be simply outstanding. I'd best stop here before the lapdog accuses me of insults.
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@Stephen
You don't read well. Respond to what I wrote and not what you would like me to have written.
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Come on you big brave IDers, you recognise design how? You must have something undesigned to which you can compare, otherwise you are merely referring to existing.
You see something and exclaim oh look it exists, because you have no reference you can't exclaim oh look it's designed.
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@ethang5
You see? Trolling for god, from the..................... LOL
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Of course the first question is did the bible Jesus ever exist, and every credible historian will say no.
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Are Catholics only considered christians by protestants when they try to use the ad populum argument? Cos if you remove the none christian catholics you don't end up with a very large number of christians at all.
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Allegedly only god stories are universal to every culture across all time, but this itself is and unsubstantiated claim. If for the sake of argument we accept this claim then we must ask ourselves if these stories have any basis in fact and if they do are modern god stories just human ideas piggy backing on the earlier stories.
There are people who claim that god stories have existed always but that the very recent god story that they believe is the only true god story, what makes them think that the god stories that have existed across all time would be suddenly relegated to fiction when a newer god story emerges? Are all god stories destined to be relegated by newer god stories? For instance the very new god story claiming the existence of only one god is not a part of the god stories that are universal to every culture across all time, it is in fact diametrically opposed to those universal stories so historically it has no recourse to those claims over all time it is in fact a brand new story unrelated to the god stories that are universal to every culture across all time.
Too many people try to lie about the veracity of their gods because they have no evidence that any gods exist, much less their own.
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If god can't be illogical then he can't do all things and is not omnipotent.
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@Outplayz
This. The thorough denial of spirituality.There is as much proof so spirituality as there is before the big bang.
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BTW that wasn't insulting it was condescending, don't let thang define words for you.
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@DebateArt.com
Your mater thang spews insults in every post, where is his warning?
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@Beelzedad
And yet creationism claims to have created the creatures that are currently existent.and the 99% of all creatures who are now extinct were never created in the first place.
Yeah it don't work
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It's really hard for godists to answer this.
Why is that?
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I wonder what non design looks like, perhaps one of the posters to this thread is claiming to be a demonstration?
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@Stephen
My questions too hard for ya, never mind. You're not alone.
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@Stephen
Oh puuhhleeese!
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Is it possible to report a conspiracy being developed by members to create a spam attack and how would I do it?
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@ethang5
Sorry, I don't feed trolls.
You just are one.
What you mean and have always meant is that you can't handle the information I supply and certainly can't answer any of my questions honestly. You just release your anger when the lies you tell are confronted by me and you simply can't respond. I feel sorry for you.
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@ethang5
Natural catastrophies have existed for billions of years, how long have god stories existed? Since humans. God stories can't exist without humans ergo gods can't exist without humans.God stories preceded natural catastrophes.
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@Greyparrot
Where is this happening? And who produced all of the wealth accrued by the 1% and why don't you object to that for the same reason.
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@With_all_humility
Do you really think there is no bias in law enforcement, that seems absurdly naive.
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@Stephen
You can't defend your vile lies, you obviously don't understand the English language and you are incapable of answering questions.
You are dismissed.
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This question is better asked of the theist who claims everything is designed and therefore has nothing to which he can compare design and point to the differences that allow him to recognise the appearance of design. Payley's watch can have no more appearance of design than the rock it is sitting on.Atheists: How do you explain the appearance of design?
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