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@Greyparrot
Everyone knows you can only fight fascism with fascism.
In the 1940s someone forgot to tell Great Britain, France, the Soviet Union, the United States, China, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Ethiopia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa....
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@PREZ-HILTON
OMG! Americans are coming for your children!
Families forcibly separated at the border by the Trump administration seeking settlements in ongoing negotiations
OMG! Christians are protesting funerals of veterans and saying god hates them!
Military Funeral Protests Outrage Families, Lawmakers
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OMG! Women are are coming for our candy!
Watch This Woman Get Caught Stealing All The Halloween Candy
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@Greyparrot
These are Tucker's words from the shadows:"Good evening. One of the first things you realize when you step outside the noise for a few days is how many genuinely nice people there are in this country, kind and decent people who really care about what's true, and a bunch of hilarious people, also a lot of those. It's got to be the majority of the population, even now. So that's heartening. The other thing you notice when you take a little time off is how unbelievably stupid most of the debates you see on television are. They're completely irrelevant. They mean nothing. In five years we won't even remember that we had them. Trust me as someone who's participated. And yet at the same time, and this is the amazing thing, the undeniably big topics, the ones that will define our future, get virtually no discussion at all: war, civil liberties, emerging science, demographic change, corporate power, natural resources. When was the last time you heard a legitimate debate about any of those issues? It's been a long time. Debates like that are not permitted in American media. Both political parties and their donors have reached consensus on what benefits them, and they actively collude to shut down any conversation about it. Suddenly the United States looks very much like a one-party state. That's a depressing realization, but it's not permanent. Our current orthodoxies won't last. They're brain dead. Nobody actually believes them. Hardly anyone's life is improved by them. This moment is too inherently ridiculous to continue, and so it won't. The people in charge know this. That's why they're hysterical and aggressive. They're afraid. They've given up persuasion. They're resorting to force. But it won't work. When honest people say what's true calmly and without embarrassment, they become powerful. At the same time, the liars who've been trying to silence them shrink, and they become weaker. That's the iron law of the universe: true things prevail. Where can you still find Americans saying true things? There aren't many places left, but there are some, and that's enough. As long as you can hear the words, there is hope. See you soon."
Chilling.
It's like a man, still covered in blood from beating another man, doing a public talk on the virtue of non-violence. Tucker literally expressed belief in things to his viewers that he did not believe to be true. He talks about how he appreciates kind and decent people then goes on to accuse people his disagrees with of being brain dead, hysterical, liars, etc.
At the same time, the liars who've been trying to silence them shrink, and they become weaker. That's the iron law of the universe: true things prevail. Where can you still find Americans saying true things? There aren't many places left, but there are some, and that's enough. As long as you can hear the words, there is hope. See you soon."
Yeah, I don't think we will see Tucker soon or often... because he's the type of lying disingenuous unkind hypocrite manipulator that he's talking about.
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I think the really important thing is for both Ds and Rs to stop politicizing this issue because THAT really hurts kids.You know what I think?Schools shouldn't push any kind of agenda, whether it be religious or political.School should educate kids, not indoctrinate them.
Schools are just a reflection of society. Is it indoctrination to teach kids to share or stand in line and take turns? Who are you so say that selfishness is wrong? Is it indoctrination to require that girls and boys wear shoes? Who are you to say that being barefoot is wrong? Is it indoctrination to have them pledge allegiance to the flag or learn the rules of grammar or have boys go to shop while girls go to home ec? Schools used to teach from the bible. Schools used to teach that blacks were inferior to whites. The question of women's sufferance used to be a political issue. The concept of people owning other people used to be a political issue. There are no hard clear answers to what is right and wrong and what's a religious and political agenda. People on the Left and Right disagree. I respect that there are differences, but what I don't respect are people like you who think they get to be the moral authority on what's right or wrong and then act as if it's an obvious truth. There are people on the left who do the same thing. At least recognize what you are doing and stop being a hypocrite. Have whatever view you want, but stop pretending that YOU know what the moral truth is and that everyone else is wrong. At least have the humility to admit you are just fighting for your ideas the same as everyone else. Schools are in an impossible situation and are caught in the middle.
It's part of natureIt is most definitely not. I do not know where you read that, but that is entirely false.Ever heard of survival of the fittest, and how unneeded things to survive will not survive?
Blind, deaf, and crippled people get along fine in our society. The evolution of physical strength and health is just one aspect of evolution. The modern world is proof that concepts like compassion, cooperation, tolerance, and forgiveness and charity towards others is something that can make a society thrive and even dominate over societies that don't (ask hitler). We don't live by the standard of only the fittest should survive. You don't live by that standard. When I said it's natural, I meant that gay and trans people exist and are part of human kind. That's a fact. You can hate them or deny their existence, but that doesn't change reality.
Beyond that, what I'm asking you is why can't you just tolerate them? Even if you think trans people are making it up or just fooling themselves, what does it hurt you to tolerate them? Why does it matter and why is it important to you that they not be acknowledged? I hate that religious nut jobs think the end of the earth will come in a generation or two so they don't have any concern about what state the planet will be in a hundred years from now. Their belief informs their action. But I don't have a right to say they can't believe what I think is stupid and dangerous. I think people who think that transwomen and women are the same are delusional. I think people who think there's no such thing as gender are delusional. I think people who think Jesus will come back and rescue all the Christians in Revelations style are delusional. I think people who think everyone should own a gun are delusional. I think people who think god hates gays are delusional. I think people who think Qanon is real are delusional. I think people think race is real thing are delusional. I think that people who believe American history is all about the racism are delusional. But I tolerate all these people up to the extent that their beliefs and actions infringe on my freedoms. People have a right to believe stupid things. Some stupid things are dangerous and lead people to do bad or evil things, that's true. You believe people being trans is one of these things. I don't. But point is, we don't have to agree. We just have to find a way to address the problems that may arise when the expression of ideas or beliefs start to infringe on the freedoms of others. That's it. If you can't acknowledge that trans people really exist, at least stop believing you have a right to impose your idea of reality on them. You don't. This is America. What tends to happen over time is that truth comes out as the better functioning model. I think one day no one will care anymore about transpeople than we now care about mixed marriage. I could be wrong, but it will play out over time. In the meantime, tolerance is key to a functioning society and democracy.
But that's not what you're about. It's not really about bathroom confusion or mens and women's sports. You just don't like trans people and don't think they should be tolerated. That's the real problem with people like you. You think your agenda and your ideology is the "Right" ideology but that doesn't work and will never work in a democratic society. We can talk about how to balance what's fair and what's right to allow people to have freedom, but it really all comes down to drawing the line of when your freedom impinges mine. That's a talk I'm willing to have with you about trans people. But you don't really want have that talk. You don't just want to stop trans people from limiting your freedom. You want trans people to not have freedom even in cases where it doesn't affect your freedom. That's what makes YOUR agenda the most sinister and corrosion society and democracy itself. I can find people on the Left and in the LGBTQ community and among the BLM types who are just as dangerous for the exact same reasons.
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Why should a kid be allowed to get live altering surgery, that is not even necessary, and in some cases, hurtful to their physical and mental health.
First it's not a kids decision any more than a kid can decide to get his tonsils removed. Parents are involved. There are cases where adults who have undergone gender therapy who regret it, but it's a small minority of those who do. There are people who regret back surgery or getting their tubes tied or getting plastic surgery and on and on. In most cases, in those very rare cases where kids engage in drug therapy or puberty blockers, it's usually a positive outcome beneficial to their mental health in a big way. Suicide among gay trans is quite high and people like you have a lot to do with that. That's not an attack on you. It's a fact. That said I do think safeguards should be in place for these kinds of drug therapy and it is still too new. For some it's clearly a huge benefit, but it should be a slow thoughtful process and perhaps more lawful regulations are necessary. Such is the way with parenthood and children. We want to let parents raise their kids as they see fit, but we also step in when it goes beyond what society feels is morally right. There are still parents who long for the good old days when you could beat your kids or wife. In the good old days not only was it seen as no one's business, but there were laws that protected your right to do so. Personally, I think circumcision should be illegal until the boy is old enough to make the choice himself. I think that will change one day.
For adults, I'm kind of divided on that.I agree that if you want to screw up your body, then you should be able to.On the other hand, I also think that if you're going to act like a child, then you should have privileges taken away from you, like a child.
I appreciate your honesty here, but again, who's pushing their ideology/agenda now? I agree that if someone drives drunk they should lose their drivers license. I agree that if someone assaults someone else they should have their freedom taken away (for a while), but when it comes to people making choices that essentially don't affect others, that's their business. That's what I believe freedom and America is about. You don't have to like transpeople. In fact, I think you have a right to hate them. But you don't have a right to tell them they can't exist when their existence does you no harm. The reason the Right is so obsessed with transpeople is because you're being manipulated by the GOP and those who want to use our democracy to gain power. The Ds do the same thing through different means and methods, but you guys on the Right are really really good at the fear stuff and you've got the whole judgy religious thing which goes way back. The problem is there are plenty of issues that Rs and Ds agree on that don't ever get addressed because we are tricked by our parties to be obsessed with relatively petty matters.
As for kids, I agree it needs to be taken slow and maybe more controls need to be added.I don't agree with that. It should be illegal.Kids have gotten along just fine without it for thousands of years, and the populating hasn't decreased because of it.
We got along fine without mental health for children for thousands of years too, if getting along fine means committing suicide or an unhappy life. In the same way humankind got alone fine for thousands of years condoning slavery and genocide and misogyny and authoritarianism and living by the rules of might makes right. Morality and human rights are evolving concepts and it really wasn't long ago everything I just listed was widely accepted.
I don't really get your point about population decreasing.
(5) Forcing kids to transition: two horrific cases that EVERYONE needs to know - YouTube(5) Forced Transition: The Dark Truth About Famous Trans Kids - YouTube(5) Parents Coach Their Children To Be Transgender - YouTube(5) Mother FORCE DILATES "HOLE" Of Trans Daughter Jazz Jennings - YouTubeAnd many more examples like it.
It does happen. All manner of sicko disgusting things can happen in a world of 8 billion people, but you're delusional if you think it's common. And there's an easy fix. We can both agree that parents should force their kids to be gay or straight or trans... or a least I can. I'm not sure you agree parents shouldn't force their kids to be straight. Of course coaching kids to be straight is exponentially more common. Gay conversion therapy is far more common than any of the things your link pointed to. But none of that would make me conclude that heterosexualism is the cause behind it because it's not someone sexuality that's behind it, it's the ideas they have about what's moral regarding sexuality that is the cause. Try to grasp the difference.
Fact is that children especially young children don't even know that Santa clause doesn't exist. Why do you think they know what gender they are?
So when you were a prepubescent child and you saw a pretty girl and then you say an handsome boy, how long was it until you decided that the girl was pretty and you were attracted to her and didn't see the boy that way? Did you ponder it for days and weeks? How long did it take for you to decide to be straight?
I'm not sure how you feel kids are being hurt.Again:(5) Forcing kids to transition: two horrific cases that EVERYONE needs to know - YouTube(5) Forced Transition: The Dark Truth About Famous Trans Kids - YouTube(5) Parents Coach Their Children To Be Transgender - YouTube(5) Mother FORCE DILATES "HOLE" Of Trans Daughter Jazz Jennings - YouTube
Again, these are very rare cases of nutty parents going too far. Most parents feel you should discipline your kids, but we admonish those who beat their kids (and that's far far more common that the tiny handful of links you just came up with). How many examples of children being beaten would I need to provide for you to decide that disciplining your children is wrong? You would never come to that conclusion because the two aren't related. Beating children is wrong. Forcing your kid to be trans is wrong. That doesn't mean discipline is wrong and it doesn't mean trans kids don't exist.
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Yes, I have..............because I have documents that say I am legally a man.
I guess I'm not sure what we're arguing about here. People were men and women long before there was paperwork to prove or determine it.
Men will always have an advantage over women in sports, no matter how you put it.
I'm already agreed with you. I agree again.
Ok, so let's say that families don't push any agenda on their kids.
Why would I agree to that? Most do if not consciously, then unconsciously and it's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm of the school that it's better to teach kids how to think, not WHAT to think, but the nature of humankind is to pass down ideas and concepts. Were it not so, we'd all still be living in caves.
Most likely 98% (about) of those kids will become straight, because of the biological urge to procreate with the opposite sex.
We can talk about bathrooms and sports all day, but the problem here is we have a fundamental disagreement about reality itself. I do believe people who are gay or trans are just following their true nature and for most people it doesn't come without a fight and a resistance. Assuming you're straight, imagine growing up in a society where 98% of the population and your own parents were pushing you to be gay. You'd certainly try to follow the example, but a the end of the day it just wouldnt' feel right to you and you'd be left with the choice to be true to yourself or suppress it and lived a closeted life.
You should try having this conversation with a person who's actually gay or trans and see if you can at least come to appreciate that they aren't faking it and that this is a real thing that people feel and are. Then you can still judge and condemn all you want, but at least you'll have a grasp of the reality of the situation.
I don't think straight parents push any agenda on their kids. They simply live how biology intended.The LGBTQ+ community relationships does, because it goes against biological urges and processes.
Biology doesn't intend anything. Do you mean evolution? It's a nuanced process tempered by time and the human evolution of ideas and concepts of morality. There's a reason we don't only practice might makes might. Compassion, empathy, and forgiveness are strategies for success.
How to explain to kids' relationships:Parents: Mommy is married to Daddy.Kids: Why?Parents: Because we like each other, and we are able to create a family.Kids: How?Parents: Through love.How to explain to kids, other types of relationships:Parents: Daddy is married to Daddy.Kids: Why?Parents: Because we like each other.Kids: Why?Parents: ....................
So straight parents who adopt kids don't love their kids? And we both know a lot of kids come into the world not through love, but through lust. There are terrible parents who are gay and straight. There are wonderful parents who are gay and straight. Being a good or loving parent has nothing to do with being gay or straight.
They can't create a family, so how are they going to explain to their kids why daddy likes daddy. The only real answer to that would be to get into sexual detail.
Say you are 10 and your parents die in a car accident. You and your sister are adopted by your aunt and uncle. Are you now no longer a part of a family?
Say you are 10 and you ask your daddy why he lives your mommy. Does you daddy explain it's because he likes to put his **** into your momie's *****? I really don't understand your reasoning here. Gay parents would answer the same way straight parents would.
I think there are tribal problems with many groups pushing their agenda in a way that's intolerant and angry. You see this on the Left and the Right. But a person being true to his sexuality isn't an "ideology".
Yes, it is. All throughout history social norms have been Men are men and women are women.
Then all the sudden we have a social push for the opposite of that, one unlike we have ever seen before in the west. That is an ideological push. An idea. Not based in facts, but feelings.
there have always been gay and trans people. Some cultures throughout human history have tolerated and included them. Others exclude banish or kill them. You're seeing it more now because tolerance has gone up. We see gay couples all the time now. We didn't see them so much generations ago not because they didn't exist, but because they were closeted and being out was dangerous and even deadly for them.
Now that said, I do think people can be confused it's my opinion that some of these nonbinary kids are more likely to just be gay or straight but haven't figured it out yet. Some kids starve themselves to death to fit in or dress rebelliously, etc. Some of what we are seeing as nonbinary may be a part of that.
Also feelings matter to one's identity. How many roads must a man walk on before they call him a man? (you should sing that bit). Most straight men come to realize as they get older than being a man is more than biology. How much sense does it make for a man to throw his life away in war? It makes a lot of sense depending now how that man views himself in society and who he is as a person.
............He's just being who he feels he is. Who cares? So long as it doesn't hurt others, that's fine.
It hurts society as a whole. We gave gay people rights. They said it wouldn't be a big deal.
Stop there a second. Has it become a big deal? My life hasn't changed at all in anyway since gays were legally allowed to marry. Is there rioting in the streets? Are kids from gay parents turning out to be horrible people? Is Jesus raining down lighting bolts? Seriously, it's a lot of hysteria that came to nothing. It was a whole lot of hysteria over nothing. Much like what happened when black people started marrying white people.
Now we have men pretending to be women, and pedophilia is at an all time high.
Pedophilia is not at an all time high, but even if it was, there's no connection with being gay or being trans and pedophilia. Gay, straight, and trans people are all capable of being horrible persons. People had the same concerns about black men becoming free or voting and then the same things were said about women getting the vote. Same thing was said about democracy and religious tolerance and yet we got over it. We'll get over trans people too. Your kids or your grandkids won't care the same way you don't really care that women have the right to vote or that your neighbor doesn't belong to your church.
I think the election rules were unfairly changed, right before the election, but legally Biden won, so I will also stop there too.
I'm glad in this you are not among the majority of Republicans. Kudos to you for thinking for yourself. Democracy matters and it's something Rs and Ds need to come together on.
Are you seeing a lot of problems with transmen in men's restrooms?
No! And you want to know why? Because women usually do not prey on men, in the same way men prey on women.
I don't want to get off track here, but I think the real problem behind the bathroom issue is that society has a twisted and sexist perception of "men" in general. People seem to think that men are going to grope and rape women most any time when no one's looking. It's the sexist view society has of men that make this a big issue, but no one ever talks about that. Anyway, this is a bit off topic, but something to think about.
So, to rephrase the question, are you seeing a lot of problems with transmen preying on women in womens' bathrooms? I jsut did a google. Something like 1.64 million in the US identify as trans genders.. say have are transwomen. That means some 800,000 transwomen are using mens' bathrooms right now. Everybody poops right? Contrast that with whatever incidences you can come up with.
'When was the last time you heard of a woman raping a man, or sexually preying on the man to the point of the man being scared and sexually assaulted.Almost never.
No, not even close to almost never.
The Understudied Female Sexual Predator
Same with battering. Women do beat men and it's probably much more common than you realize:
That said, I'll grant you that abuse of women is more common, sexually or otherwise.
It's none of your business what kind of surgery or drug therapy someone wants to do. Wanna pierce your nose or squirt ink into your skin or take hair from your butt and stitch it into your scale... not my business.Kids, can't drink.Kids can't get tattoos by themselves.Kids can't smoke.Kids can't drive.Kids can't consent.
If you go back and read my comment in context it was clear I was talking about adults with the statement which I then followed up by saying "as for kids..."
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How old are you? Did you graduate high school?Sorry, not trying to be too direct here…but what is the subject of this thread?Transgenderism as an ideology.The subject is the “it,” Tim. “It” = Transgenderism ideology.Reading comprehension matters.
I haven't been disrespectful to you or anyone here. You're the one being condescending and insultingly sarcastic and yet you think I'm the one who needs an age check?
No. It’s nurture (or indoctrination, as witnessed as of late with the social contagion of the transgender ideology), not nature.
If you don't think being trans is a real thing then there's not much to talk about. Why bother complaining about all the bathrooms and sports issues if you're real agenda is just anti-trans on an existential level?
They have always had equal rights. What they have wanted and demanded are special rights. “That’s all.”
Not really. Would you hire a trans person? I'm guessing no.
This thread is about Transgenderism ideology. Not homosexuality. Gays have all but been accepted. Though they add more of it to normal television programming, most people do not like seeing it, let alone having their impressionable children seeing it.
You can't see the irony in your post? People who accept gays aren't worried about their impressionable children seeing it. Remember when you were a kid and you thought, hmmm... should I like girls or should I like boys? Doesn't work that way, does it? Stop worrying about gay and trans people. They aren't hurting you. If you're worried you or your kids will see a gay person and become gay then you're probably already gay to begin with.
If people were in an uproar over Janet Jackson showing a tit during a halftime football show, how can they not be even more upset over the alphabet soup garbage on television!?!
I still remember when Rs were saying teletubbies are trying to make our kids gay. It's a lot of hysteria. Used to be a big deal to show a toilet on TV. Times change.
Eventually, it will fade off.
No. It will never fade. Less than 0.6% of the population invading the world/realm of normal heterosexual people will not be accepted. Ever.
It's already happening. The younger generation is far more accepting. And they said the same thing about blacks & white marrying or gay people being out. History is full of people like you saying stuff like this and being wrong about it.
But again, why worry about it? It doesn't cost you anything to just let people be who they are.
Putting a dress, wig, lipstick on and fake breasts will never make Mrs. Piggy a real human being.Same goes for men who think they are women.
I don't think transwomen are the same as women, but it costs me nothing to be kind to people and give them their dignity. You should try it.
What do you care? Live and let live.
See, this is what I mean by reading comprehension. My response to you made it crystal clear why I care.
I read you loud and clear. I just don't agree that a man would put on a dress and live a life of ridicule for no good reason. Seriously who would choose to be trans? Just a lot of grief and headache. I've heard you out and tried to respond. I even agreed with you in some places but you never acknowledge that because you're not here to discuss anything. You're here to fight and be "right" and put people down.
The rest of this is just uneducated drivel.
I made a good faith attempt to engage with you despite you being insulting and rude to me from the very start. Try talking to people online like you'd talk to a real person in real life. Truly, it's not so much the Rs or the Ds that are bringing our nation down. It's people like you who exist on both sides of the aisle who are tearing conversation down and making us more polarized. You don't need to be that way and if you think about it, it's really not very rewarding to insult people. It doesn't really leave you feeling good inside.
You won't believe me when I tell you this, but I wish you well. Adios!
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Seriously??This was addressed several pages ago, which you have not read, obviously.
Guilty as charged. I came in late and didn't read the 12 pages that were here before me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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It’s infiltrating public education, legislation, laws, court decisions, scotus decisions legislating from the bench in order to pander to it, it’s in television, it’s in YouTube videos (the beast), product advertisement, in our girls/women’s sports and their safe spaces (bathrooms, locker rooms), it’s forcefully altering language and punishing those who don’t agree or use the right pronouns. I can go on and on and on. It is a big deal. And it’s all premised on a mental disorder that’s invading the lives of children. WA state is even going so far as passing legislation allowing the state to legally kidnap your child if you don’t agree with their wishes to be called Johnny instead of Jane and place them in either a liberal or alphabet soup foster home while they transition without your further knowledge or acceptance.
I don't know what "it" is when you say "it's" infiltrating..... Do you think that there are people who are gay or trans by nature? If you do, then just let them be who they are with equal rights and dignity. That's all. As to what bathrooms and sports and all that, I agree there are things to work out. I don't think women are the same as transwomen. As for scotus legislating from the bench... I could make an argument they have been doing that with conservative issues, and federal judges too. And yeah, it's all over TV. I agree it can be a big too much at times when directors or TV shows are pushing hard. They are get people more comfortable with it and just seeing gay people are a part of everyday life is part of that. Eventually, it will fade off. Product advertisement, same thing. You don't think it's right a transwoman drank some bud light, then don't drink bud light. I stopped going to chic fil a years ago because of their bigoted stance on gays. As for language, it really cost you nothing to call someone "she" even if she was born a "he". What do you care? Live and let live. That's an easy change to make. As for nonbinary using "they" I find that anoying and don't use it. I just find another way to refer to nonbinaries usually with proper nouns. Reallly, we are talking about a very small percentage of the population. If "they" or some other new word catches on naturally over time, then so be it.
Good grief, you dumped a million things on me with very few specific examples so sorry if I didn't cover everything. I don't think it's a mental disorder to be gay or trans. If you think that these people just don't really exist then I can see why you are in such a panic and I can see why transpeople are pushing back on people like you. Good luck with that. I say let people be who they say they are to the extent that aren't hurting you but it doesn't even sound like you're willing to do that.
The ideology of transgenderism is so pronounced and so widespread that there is no need to describe it in detail.
Stop thinking of it an ideology. Some people are just gay or trans or bisexual. Just let them be. They aren't hurting you. If some of them are over the top with their politics or hating on others, then I join you in condemning them as I would with any overreaching group of which there are many on the political right and left.
What occasions a statement from the National Association of Scholars on it are several of the ways that that ideology has disrupted American education at all levels. These include:Vitriolic attacks on faculty members and medical professionals who dissent from the transgender orthodoxy2
I don't agree with vitriolic attacks of any kind. There is a problem on the far left with woke nonsense and it's more present in universities, but that's not the same as gay or trans people just wanting equal rights. Of course if you think gay / trans is just a mental disorder then we just aren't going to agree. There are plenty of kooky vitrolic attacks and canceling going on on the political right as well. I condemn all of it.
Insisting that faculty members and students divulge their “preferred pronouns” and that others address and refer to people by these pronouns.3
Again, what does it hurt you or anyone to call someone she or he if that's what he or she prefers? This is America. Stop pushing your values and lifestyle on other people.
The readiness of competitive sports to permit individuals of one sex to compete in single-sex contests of the opposite sex.4
I agree transwomen shouldn't particpate in women's sports. I'm not sure we work that out in a fair way. It's okay to say we haven't figured out all the right answers yet.
The designation of gender-inclusive restrooms on campus.
I'm about out of time here, but I really think this is mostly a non-issue. No, I don't think trans should have their own bathrooms. Trans people have been using bathrooms for a long time. Mostly no one cares or has a reason to. Both the left and right are just being used by the parties. We have much bigger things to talk about.
The insistence that archaeologists and forensic anthropologists cease classifying human skeletal remains as male or female, since we do not know the “gender identification” of the individuals.6
I never heard that one, but I agree that's stupid.
The ideology of transgenderism is built on a lie. Ever hear of doctor money? It’s because of him that started the lies and misinformation about trans and the ability to raise a child successfully as the opposite sex/gender than what they were biologically born as.
Well, mabye you're just a bigot. If you hate gay people there's no pleasing you and that's not what this is about. There's no reason gay or trans people can't raise kids in a loving household and there are plenty of examples of straight parents messing up their kids. YOU'RE the one who seems hell bend on pushing his values and lifestyle on others here.
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@YouFound_Lxam
When it comes to basic rights in America, I think it should legal for a man to dress up as a woman, and a woman to dress up as a man, because that's not the problem here. I don't think it should be legal for them to change their gender legally, or push this agenda of gender swapping on kids. That is the part I am addressing.
I'm not sure what the problem is with "legally" being anything on gender. I'm a straight male but I've never thought of myself as "legally" male, have you? Now, if there are issues with transwomen being different that women qualifying for sports or something, then I'm open to treating transwomen differently. I agree that trans parents shouldn't push their sexuality on kids, but then again, I feel the same way about straight parents. Let kids be who they are, gay, straight or whatever. Families who deal with these issues take them seriously and if there's any agenda pushing it's most often not accepting non-straight kids.
As for the ideology of Transgenderism, that is basically what this forum is for. To talk about how it works, and why we need it in society, because recently there has been a major push for this type of stuff.
I think there are tribal problems with many groups pushing their agenda in a way that's intolerant and angry. You see this on the Left and the Right. But a person being true to his sexuality isn't an "ideology". He's just being who he feels he is. Who cares? So long as it doesn't hurt others, that's fine. Now, that said, people pushing their ideology on others is different thing and like other groups I can see where the LGBTQ people may be pushing things to far in some ways but I could say the same about Christian groups or Trumpers or the excessively woke left, etc.
I'm glad you can see these areas. I agree, the right does go to the extreme sometimes, but that is only the far right. Most conservatives you will see are trying to find a middle ground in these areas, that don't hurt kids or people.
I don't agree with that overly generous assessment of conservatives. For example, most Republicans still believe, without any evidence, that Biden didn't win the election and when we're talking about 60-70% of Republicans, that's not the "far" right. I'll stop there being the topic is transpeople.
But your wrong with some of your assumptions. Men have not been using women's restrooms for a long time, in fact this is actually a recent occurrence.
I meant transwomen, not "men" and in the case of transwomen how would you even know? Are you seeing a lot of problems with transmen in men's restrooms? I think the trans community and the conservatives should just back off and don't worry about it until we need to. If there are problems, let's create some more laws about it. Until then, stop freaking out over nothing. I thought you guys on the right we all about avoiding unnecessary regulations?
Gender Therapy is still experimental and should be tested before giving it out to the public, and especially kids.
When it comes to adults, what do you care? It's none of your business what kind of surgery or drug therapy someone wants to do. Wanna pierce your nose or squirt ink into your skin or take hair from your butt and stitch it into your scale... not my business. As for kids, I agree it needs to be taken slow and maybe more controls need to be added. In particular there needs to be some kind of psychological test and counseling to help children and their parents find the best option. Still, I think it's a fair point that this drug therapy is still new. However, this hysteria that woke parents are forcing kids to be trans is a bit silly. Parents love their kids and these are not easy decisions and again, if anything, parents push their kids to be "normal," or non-gay.
With sports, it doesn't matter how you identify, a biological man will always have an advantage over a biological woman. That is factual. Your feelings don't get to dictate the outcome of sports.
Not true for all men. Some women are physically stronger than some men, but I do accept your point. I don't think transwomen should be participating in women's sports because of the unfair advantage.
Also nationalizing issues that hurt kids already is important to stop this hurting of kids.
I'm not sure how you feel kids are being hurt. If we just recognized that some kids are gay or trans and left it at that, then I don't see how that hurts anyone. I think the really important thing is for both Ds and Rs to stop politicizing this issue because THAT really hurts kids.
Society would be far better off if we did the opposite and rejected this ideology.
Again, I don't get why you think it's an "ideology", and I'm not sure what the "opposite" would look like. Not tolerating kids to be gay or trans? Gay people will always be with us. If all the gay/trans people left and went to Mars, tomorrow gay and trans kids would still be being born from straight parents. It's part of nature that some people aren't born straight or cis or whatever they are calling it.
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@YouFound_Lxam
If a man wants to dress like a woman and live like one because that's how he/she feels inside then what's the harm? If he wants to be called "she" then call him she. It costs you nothing. You don't have to date this person and offering someone this kind of basic dignity and respect costs you nothing. Be kind and let others be who they are.
Now, I agree there are some conflicting areas that society needs to work out, but some of the these are just being needlessly politicized usually by the Right, but in some cases by the Left. For example, I'm sure transwomen have been using womens' restrooms for a long time and no one cares because no one notices and no one's getting peeped or assaulted, etc. Likewise, while there should be safeguards on gender therapy, in most cases these decisions are being made only after families with this issue have long struggled over what to do and how to approach it. Sports, same thing. But it would be better if we let local communities work these things out and see what they come up with. Nationalizing these issues for political points is unhelpful and often harmful for the kids, parents, and communities.
Most of all everyone needs to take a breath and step back and let society readjust to greater inclusion of transpeople. It's not going to happen overnight. All parties would be better off with less of a spotlight on the issue.
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@Kaitlyn
Rasmussen did a bad job forming the question and they have been criticized by 538 on this particular poll. Keep in mind that something like 25% of all respondents (not sorted by race) answered "no" to it's not okay to be white. White people not thinking it's okay to be white is also nutty but it's an insight into the idea that people probably aren't taking this question literally, but the responder probably was engaging in some kind of no-literal interpretation of the question.
Still, I can't imagine most people answering "no" to the question of "Is it okay to be black?" or some other other racial group of color. Rasmussen, if it cares to be genuine, should rephrase the question and do the poll again.
And yes, of course, anyone can be racist regardless of their skin color. A review of FBI hate crimes shows that black americans not only participate in hate crimes, but that they are over represented relative to their population size. Black people are just people. To think any one race is incapable of racism is itself a racist assumption.
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@Savant
I learned about that alt-right "it's okay to be white" slogan only after hearing about the survey. It' unlikely the vast majority of respondents even knew of that expression, although Rasmussen might have know. Also, 538 criticized the way the poll's questioning was asked. It really was a badly formed question.
Still, asking anyone "Is it okay to be (fill in your racial group)" and getting a "no," well, that's a shocking response.
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