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@Reece101
Well, science is knowledge and information about how thing works in the world, I always wonder, how when we know about something ever negate the existence of Allah or god. The sentiments arose becuse or specific reason. Which I have talked in my YouTube channel in a video names how atheism got into us. I will provide link in next message.
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@Yassine
و علیکم اسلام و رحمته و براکاته
Brother to whom you are talking these stuff, they cannot understand, they do not bother to check what is new world order and what is great game. How gold smith family controlled this bogus paper currency.
I do not reply to these stupid question becuse the information is very long about these matters and it does not effect us a bit.
Worldy wealth is not our concern otherwise our prophet saw having whole Arabia under
him and our caliphs having 8 big provinces under them among which was Persia and Rome yet they lives a life of normal person.
They think we care about money. No we try to please Allah only, and we are against devil which means we are on favour or humanity.
Those who take from poor and give to rich are followers of devil.
We know the whole game. Believe us we know the whole game. We having all the resources but still poor shows that we are like moses and jesus and other prophets. We show them that we are like our ancestors who were on right path. We are not like Pharaohs who had all the controls over resources at that time and prophet Moses remain wandering for 40 years in barren land. And at the time of Jesus he was persecuted and was nearly killed by the oppressors. We are on right path.
Brother to whom you are talking these stuff, they cannot understand, they do not bother to check what is new world order and what is great game. How gold smith family controlled this bogus paper currency.
I do not reply to these stupid question becuse the information is very long about these matters and it does not effect us a bit.
Worldy wealth is not our concern otherwise our prophet saw having whole Arabia under
him and our caliphs having 8 big provinces under them among which was Persia and Rome yet they lives a life of normal person.
They think we care about money. No we try to please Allah only, and we are against devil which means we are on favour or humanity.
Those who take from poor and give to rich are followers of devil.
We know the whole game. Believe us we know the whole game. We having all the resources but still poor shows that we are like moses and jesus and other prophets. We show them that we are like our ancestors who were on right path. We are not like Pharaohs who had all the controls over resources at that time and prophet Moses remain wandering for 40 years in barren land. And at the time of Jesus he was persecuted and was nearly killed by the oppressors. We are on right path.
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@Sidewalker
Saying truth does not underpin anyone. Your gods are scientists and you believe them blindly.
Mere human gods. Your law is the law of jungle.
You are taking humanity to the level of animals.
No humanly norms no humanly morals and you disgust heavenly attributes of human and appraise earthly non existing attributes of human.
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@Sidewalker
Atheist are dumbest, I have destroyed them long time ago.
I have lost my aggressive stance, otherwise I can obliterate them or anyone in argument. But I am behaving more like preacher now a days
Inner peace.
I have lost my aggressive stance, otherwise I can obliterate them or anyone in argument. But I am behaving more like preacher now a days
Inner peace.
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@Best.Korea
U r right, law of nature called fitra in islam and our laws are made on fitra.
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@zedvictor4
Well, I could not do that to me easily even. Like the bad habits we want to change for years, yet we can't change them. I believe only Allah can turn the hearts. We maybe trigger and give answers which we got from Allah and he ordered us to spread so that on the day of judgement no one can say that, he or she did not get the message. We are here for that criteria. Otherwise who cares if someone will go to hell. On the other hand I care and want least people go to hell and do not let devil with his challange. That is it. Alhumd ll Allah.
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@zedvictor4
I am not offended, but I cannot waste time for lost cause.
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@Best.Korea
Dart forums are filth. Discord is much better in this regard. Debating with close voting is best idea.
Otherwise no need to continue discussion when people have no interest in discussion but in mockery and disgust.
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It looks like I am debating with un civilized people who do not want positive discussion at all.
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@Shila
There is another of my debate about this topic check that too.
If you think the debate is not enough let me know we can have another debate about this topic.
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@Best.Korea
It's called precocious puberty, and indeed it's rare.
In islam the age of consent and marriage both are 15. But Islam consider physical matureness as well. If a girl is physically and mentally mature at earlier age, she is considered adult. While it makes sense and is logical. I myself was precocious and I know what it means and how important it is to consider the condition of precocious person and his or her needs. In islam relation out of marital bond is not allowed so only option is marriage. Which is solution for the person who is precocious for his or her sexual needs.
In islam the age of consent and marriage both are 15. But Islam consider physical matureness as well. If a girl is physically and mentally mature at earlier age, she is considered adult. While it makes sense and is logical. I myself was precocious and I know what it means and how important it is to consider the condition of precocious person and his or her needs. In islam relation out of marital bond is not allowed so only option is marriage. Which is solution for the person who is precocious for his or her sexual needs.
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@WyIted
Why would Rebecca's husband being a child molestor ake it okay for you to be one or muhhamed?
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Until recently all even your investors would be considered that then?
By the way check my debates about this topic I have talked in detail about it.
If forum discussion are that dumb then I think debating is good option.
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@WyIted
Muslims in Great a Britain are right now calling incest laws racist and asking for exception.
Reference to this crap?
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@Best.Korea
Five year old is too young and cant even give birth. Girls mostly get reproductive abilities at age 10 to 13. I can only assume that the idea of marrying 5 year olds is to encourage more of early marriages, so more people are married by the time they get reproductive abilities. However, you would think they should marry other young people. 50 year old men arent exactly best quality material for reproduction.
Check this
Lina Marcela Medina de Jurado, born on September 23, 1933, in Ticrapo, Castrovirreyna Province, Peru, holds the record as the youngest confirmed mother in medical history. On May 14, 1939, at the age of five years, seven months, and 21 days, she gave birth to a healthy baby boy.
Discovery of Pregnancy
Lina's parents became concerned when her abdomen began to enlarge abnormally. Initially suspecting a tumor, they took her to a hospital in Pisco, Peru. Upon examination, Dr. Gerardo Lozada determined that Lina was approximately seven months pregnant. This diagnosis was later confirmed by specialists in Lima.
Medical Condition: Precocious Puberty
Medical evaluations revealed that Lina experienced precocious puberty, a condition where a child's body begins to develop adult sexual characteristics at an unusually early age. In Lina's case, she had fully mature sexual organs by the time of her pregnancy. Reports indicate that she began menstruating as early as eight months old, though some sources suggest it may have been at two and a half or three years of age.
Birth of Gerardo
Due to her small pelvis, a cesarean section was deemed necessary. The surgery was performed by Dr. Lozada and Dr. Busalleu, with Dr. Colareta administering anesthesia. On May 14, 1939, Lina gave birth to a boy weighing 2.7 kilograms (6 pounds), whom she named Gerardo after Dr. Lozada. Both mother and child were reported to be in good health following the birth.
Aftermath and Later Life
Gerardo was raised believing that Lina was his sister; he learned the truth about his parentage when he was ten years old. He led a healthy life but unfortunately passed away at the age of 40 in 1979 due to bone marrow disease. As for Lina, she worked as a secretary in Dr. Lozada's clinic in Lima, which provided her with an education and supported Gerardo's schooling. In the early 1970s, she married Raúl Jurado, and the couple had a second son in 1972. As of 2002, Lina was reported to be living in a poor district of Lima, avoiding public attention and declining interviews.
Identity of the Father
The circumstances surrounding Lina's pregnancy remain unclear. She never disclosed the identity of the father or the details of the conception. Her father was arrested on suspicion of sexual abuse but was released due to a lack of evidence. Given her young age and possible trauma, it's believed that Lina may not have fully understood or remembered the events leading to her pregnancy.
Medical Documentation and Verification
While some have questioned the veracity of Lina's case, it has been well-documented and verified by medical professionals. Biopsies, X-rays of the fetal skeleton before birth, and photographs taken by the attending doctors provide substantial evidence of the case's authenticity. Dr. Edmundo Escomel, a noted Peruvian physician, detailed Lina's case in the medical journal La Presse Médicale, providing clinical observations and findings.
Lina Medina's case remains a subject of medical and public interest, highlighting the complexities of precocious puberty and the profound impact of early childhood trauma.
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@n8nrgim
the quaran talks about chopping off heads and hands. self evidently false. i dont know if gettin the seventy two virgins at death thing is official teaching, but also self evidently false.
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Can you identify it?
Do you not find it in Christianity and Judaism also in Hinduism and even in budism?
Probably in any religion and society when you are in wars. And we can see in Gaza they do not only cut hands and chop heads but they obliterate whole body into shreds with bombs and chemicals weapons. Would you raise voice do them if not then you are hypocrite. Also they do it with civilians. While Islam allows it only in wars and for you people it's allowed all the tine.
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@WyIted
Why do you guys like incest so much? Could that be the reason why your society's are inferior and you flew to the West? Or is it a combination of things?
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Are you smoking something?
Those who goes to west work there and they do not go for taking charity. As far as UK they come to India and looted the golden sparrow and run away and they even did same with US and Australia and killed and almost wiped the natives. And USA is land of immigrants.
It is very dumb to not realize reality.
Level up yourself
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@WyIted
Virginity is special. What's up with all the marriages to children and cousin fucking?
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I think Christianity also considered that all human are descendants from Adam and Eve.
So we are related to each other and first ones were siblings. When a father and mother is different then they are not brother and sister.
A person is adult at the age of 15 in islam and I think in Christianity it's even way too early.
Do you want me to share the verses of bible about early marriage? Probably Rebecca married at the age of 3.
I have seen 2 debates about this topic check them or I can link them here. Marriage below 15 is rare cases and for prophet it was miracle.
I can easily guess from your tone that you are saying all that in ignorance and arrogance and also in hate for islam.
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@WyIted
So I guess there will be always ways to deny it by falsely claiming the poetry is not as beautiful. A way to falsify it was given and the words of the prophet apparently get corrupted for your convenience.
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Something non sense about Corona, you think is like quran? I think everybody has to take the challenge seriously.
At the time of prophet saw it was era of linguistic and poetry, many great poet and writer took the challenge and created their art but eventually at the time of finalizing it they tore it apart. Becuse it did not meet the criteria and they knew it. Only writing funny poetry about Corona in way, now a days quran is written does not make it equivalent to quran. I think if a kid write likes how quran is written on paper does make it acceptable?
If have the critically check it. It was written about Corona easily makes it invalid. Quran is not a book about medical sickness but a book of guidance and plus point is comedy book. So the criteria is not meet. Also not poetry book as well. Any body who understand Arabic can easily identify it's garbage.
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@Best.Korea
Surah Al-A'raf (7:156) – Arabic & English Translation:
وَاكْتُبْ لَنَا فِي هَٰذِهِ ٱلدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةًۭ وَفِى ٱلْـَٔاخِرَةِ إِنَّا هُدْنَآ إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ عَذَابِىٓ أُصِيبُ بِهِۦ مَنْ أَشَآءُ ۖ وَرَحْمَتِى وَسِعَتْ كُلَّ شَىْءٍۢ ۚ فَسَأَكْتُبُهَا لِلَّذِينَ يَتَّقُونَ وَيُؤْتُونَ ٱلزَّكَوٰةَ وَٱلَّذِينَ هُم بِـَٔايَٰتِنَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
"And ordain for us good in this world and in the Hereafter. Indeed, we have turned to You." (Allah) said, "My punishment—I afflict with it whom I will, but My mercy encompasses all things. So I will decree it for those who fear Me, give zakah, and those who believe in Our signs."
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@Shila
I do not know why you brought that topic at all. Virginity is kept for halal still found in abundance in islamic world which is gold thing in the eyes of every single person. I bet even you would considered it something special.
That is why it's worth it as reward in heaven
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@Shila
Most of Muslim remain virgin till they marry.
Like I remain virgin till my 27 until I married, so you think I could not loose virginity till then? It was hard to preserve not the other way around. Now I am not virgin and understand how sacred this act is. It's process of bringing and new generation not mere lower level animal act, even animal has kept it sacred, you will find them mating according to rules most of time. But we human has lost it and we have become felth. How can someone be promiscuous, and commit fornication while this thing is pleasures only becuse Allah made it that way so that the reproduction of humanity so not stop and for other species as well so that they can provide continues sustainability to human who are test subject or this world.
Otherwise sole purpose is to multiply and keep the sacred act of upbringing new generation.
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Islam is best because it provide guidance for every aspect of life.
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It's like I am talking with children, probably you all are children.
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@WyIted
Writing poetry like Quranic verses does not make it like quran. Quran does not have poetry. you need to understand Arabic for that.
Allah said make a verse like quran, some funny poetry about Corona virus which is written like quran does mean it's like quran.
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@Shila
So you are saying I accept that, I am terrorist and extremist without any objections?
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@Shila
I was asking it general.
Still undefined, people are killed every where and even more Muslims are being killed every day then non Muslim. How could terrorism or extremism is exclusively used with Muslim?
I asked what extremism or terrorism is.
And you invented a new term to define.
Extremism= islamic extremism
Terrorism= islamic terrorism?
I think they are linguistic term not exclusive to islam.
Still undefined, people are killed every where and even more Muslims are being killed every day then non Muslim. How could terrorism or extremism is exclusively used with Muslim?
I asked what extremism or terrorism is.
And you invented a new term to define.
Extremism= islamic extremism
Terrorism= islamic terrorism?
I think they are linguistic term not exclusive to islam.
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@Shila
Extremism and terrorism.
What are they?
You got to define them first.
What are they?
You got to define them first.
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@Best.Korea
I wouldnt torture anyone for it.
Here we go.
A Muslim who do not get angry is consider like a donkey.
3 categories of human in islam.
1 worst.
Who gets angry quickly and become calm very late .
2nd good
Who become angry very quickly and become calm very quickly
3rd best
Who become angry very late and calm very quickly.
But there is no categories who do not become angry because it's natural.
And you are restraining God from anger, is it not strange.
If someone do not feel it, it's up to him or her but I would never go against it that Allah will punish those who are disbeliever.
The very basic test on earth is to not listen to devil and go on our natural extinct which is to obey God and feel it.
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@Best.Korea
What would you do if is swear against you or your parents?
You are too far from reality.
There are words which exist like honour and respect.
God as well
You got to search what is meaning of God.
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@Best.Korea
Eternal hellfire is not from islam, I meant from us Muslim but from Allah and it's not something only from islam, all religion portray it in same way. It's since the beginning. God being omnipotent can do whatever he wants and he choose to burn them in hell who do not believe in him and mock him. He gives you full freedom in this life to choose whatever you want. It's for afterlife, those who do not believe in it should not be concerned. While if anyone thinks even a little bit that afterlife is reality then he should accept the message of Allah to not go beyond his will. He has given you free will for sure but submitting your will to him and preferring his will over yours give you best reward. Where is justice if criminal and disbeliever are treated in same way? If someone is punished to insult a president or some higher official of some country, do you not think slanderer against creator of whole universe deserve some punishment too? Otherwise what is the meaning of God? Obviously mercy and love must be characteristic of God as well that is why he is omnibenevolent, and Allah said his mercy took over his wrath.
What he need just to believe him. Do not look at those dumb Muslim who probably hostile to you. And you should also not be arrogant to mock quran. By the way let me know what is mockable in quran? Probably I could clear some misconceptions in sha Allah.
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Surah Al-Ma'idah (5:32):
مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ أَنَّهُۥ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًۭا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍۢ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًۭا ۖ وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَآ أَحْيَا ٱلنَّاسَ جَمِيعًۭا ۚ
"Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." (Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:32)
Surah Aal-e-Imran (3:110):
كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ تَأْمُرُونَ بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَتَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ وَتُؤْمِنُونَ بِٱللَّهِ ۗ
"You are the best nation produced [as an example] for mankind. You enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and believe in Allah." (Surah Aal-e-Imran 3:110)
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@Stephen
No body is allowed to kill anybody, a person who killed one person has killed the whole humanity (Holy Quran). Even if someone burned quran should be left alone, it's responsibility of Muslim to clear the misconceptions against quran for that person or he or she should be left alone. Allah has taken responsibility of preservation of Qur'an.
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Well, no body is talking about women children and elderly myrtred in Gaza, what Israel has done against Muslim. When in 8th and 9th century Muslim left sword and picked pen, what happened with them? Everything taken from them and river changed it's colour for 3 days becuse of ink when changez khan attacked. How can we not prepare for our defence and honour, Muslims are not allowed to be hostile but only allowed to defend and sometime offence is best defense. Example is when someone has prepared himself to attack you and going to attack you and u attack him before he attack then this offence is real defense. A person who hates Muslim that much to burn the quran, what you think of he find a chance he would not burn a muslim as well? There are many cases when some people get into masjid and killed innocent people there I have seen video recorded by that person and he was left alone even after massacre. Keep in mind we are human too and just like anyone else feel angry when provoked as do too, after all we are human too. So if anyone has anything against quran just debate with me and see how great this book is.
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@Shila
You consider all of it true? While some rules above comes from islam and r very strict under Sharia, though Taliban were way more strict last time but they learned from it and this time they showed flexibility and good conduct. Any ways in the time of Taliban no body can steal and do crimes because of strict rules, my bro was with them for 2 years when they fought with Russia and he was saying if you keep money under your head and sleep no one will take it. And if you put car in the middle of road and put key on the it's bonnet and go away and come after many days you will find it there and no one will dare to steal.
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@Shila
This seems from some article right? So what you say about it? From the above passage you can see they were called mujahideen and freedom fighter when fighting against Russia and USA aided them but later terrorist when fighting against USA. Yet how come USA left Afghanistan with treaty with them and let them make government again? How come they let live the terrorist lol? Calling Muslim terrorist is not something new. While russian who invaded and US who invaded see not?
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@Shila
You mean which are in Afghanistan? You are on debating site, saying these things are joke.
If they are terrorist then how come USA left them in Afghanistan to establish government and also signed treaty with them? You even know the meaning of Taliban? It's Arabic word means students. You call students terrorist? You know know the history of them? Campaign started by Mullah Umer , 2 young women were raped at the time of secular liberal king. Their mother went to mudarassah or school in English where Mullah Umer was teaching quran to students. That women said to him you are just sitting here and our women are being raped. Just wear bangles and close this center otherwise give us justice. He took all students called Taliban and hanged the criminals and served the justice and from there their struggle started. You should read the history and their rules. Taliban in Pakistan are different, they are mostly backed by India and has different agenda. While Taliban in Afghanistan are different. They are good students. You should define me what terrorist means and how Taliban are terrorist. Usama bin laden is other story.
If they are terrorist then how come USA left them in Afghanistan to establish government and also signed treaty with them? You even know the meaning of Taliban? It's Arabic word means students. You call students terrorist? You know know the history of them? Campaign started by Mullah Umer , 2 young women were raped at the time of secular liberal king. Their mother went to mudarassah or school in English where Mullah Umer was teaching quran to students. That women said to him you are just sitting here and our women are being raped. Just wear bangles and close this center otherwise give us justice. He took all students called Taliban and hanged the criminals and served the justice and from there their struggle started. You should read the history and their rules. Taliban in Pakistan are different, they are mostly backed by India and has different agenda. While Taliban in Afghanistan are different. They are good students. You should define me what terrorist means and how Taliban are terrorist. Usama bin laden is other story.
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@Shila
Not allowed, treaty between atomic powers to not share, it's big responsibility, atom bombs should be extinct not spread, it's weapon of mass destruction not a good thing to share around
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@Shila
In slam whole world is one ummah, we are not bound by boundaries, a Muslim should know we are 1 as ummah like a body. Prophet Muhammad saw said, whole ummah is like one body, if one part of body feels pain then the whole body feels pain. It was not much feasible to have 1 country at two places and while India is in between. So some people took advantage of this situation and cause the separation. But Muslims of Bangladesh who are true Muslim still considered us one ummah and love each other. While some betrayed and team up with India and got no benefits from this teaming up until recently when they took away the government or hasina wajid and shown that they were not sincere to country but to their rule and dominance.
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@Shila
We need protection from Allah but no one else, USA was nuclear power and could not do anything to Afghanistan and same goes for Russia. So it proves that only God can help whomever he wants and being nuclear power does not matter. So we do not need protection from anyone at all but Allah
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@Shila
Well, all men would be given virgins in paradise, and a martyrs in islam would be given as well. But about Taliban in Pakistan is different story and it's general rule for martyr and about anyone Else or some specific group no one can guarantee and even them being on right path. Jihad or wars in islam are always defensive battles to protect innocent Muslim. Islam do not allow offensive battles to be more clear about who could be eligible for martyrdom.
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@Shila
4 wives max, but 98% only have one. And no body is allowed to have relation out of marital bond. So you can say majority have only 1 body count with Thier spouse and no cheating is allowed. So first wife must knows for other.
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@Shila
Which earthquakes? No more earth quakes, but near the day of judgment, like now a days their will be more disasters throughout the world not only in Pakistan. But in Pakistan it's mostly plain areas where there are very less earthquakes, it's northern area like mine called Kashmir where only earthquake in 2005, not anymore alhumd ll Allah. You can see fire in los Angeles, so disasters can comes anywhere it does not matter. People think death is bad but it's meeting with Allah, only important thing is that, when you die, Allah should be happy with you and you are being good person. Otherwise people die everyday everywhere in the world becuse or different reason and it's just cycle of life.
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