I think that pro's argument was good, but I don't think it was their place to branch off on their own argument instead of following up on what was put forth by con. I also don't think it's fair to condemn a belief purely because of lack of understanding of it, although con did say God "probably exists". This would be my argument from a Catholic perspective:
1. There is only one kind of evil, and it is man made. Here is an indirect proof for it:
a. "Natural evil" is an evil
b. God created "natural evil", as He created the hurricanes, diseases, ect.
c. Since God created this "evil", He must not be perfectly good, because how can someone perfectly good create evil? And why would He?
This contradicts con's definition of "God" and therefore "natural evil" is not an evil.
So if this "natural evil" isn't really evil, what is it? And why does it exist? Well, this could take a very long time to explain, but to sum it up, there was this thing called "The Fall", when at the beginning of time God created a perfect environment (the Garden of Eden) for two humans (Adam and Eve), but they wanted more and so sinned, and got kicked out, and because of this many punishments were inflicted on them and their descendants, such as pain in childbirth, disease, ect. But do not think that God did this because He hated them, instead He is like a father who knows what is best for his child.
Also do not think that now God sends natural disasters to punish us. This is kind of unrelated to the original point and might take long to explain, so skim over this if you are not interested. But basically, in the year 6-4 BC*, God became man and was born as a child, and in the year 30-33 AD He was crucified by the leading people of His time because they didn't believe He was God and thought He was blaspheming. He was born so that He could die. The important thing about this is that He died for us, so that we might know and love Him. Jesus (that was God's name made man) suffered greatly on the cross for us.
So when we suffer, we are uniting with Christ's sufferings on the cross. Another important thing to note is that God gave us free will (because when something is forced upon you, it is hard to enjoy it as much), so it is our choice whether to accept suffering as an opportunity to draw closer to Him, or to complain about the hardships of life.
*we do not know the exact years
2. As for the question of the man made evil, and why God does not put a stop to it, see the above paragraph on free will. How evil came about is kind of complicated. At the very beginning of time, God created angels, who had complete knowledge of everything from the beginning, and could either choose to reject or follow God. And one of them, the most powerful, decided to betray Him because he couldn't stand not being more powerful than God, and so created evil.
Please remember that these are simply the Catholic beliefs, and that it would be impossible to fully answer the original argument given by con without expressing specific views on God, and please write back if anyone has questions about anything here.
The Les Miserables book is so good! It is one of my favorites. I do like the Phantom music, but not as much as that of Les Miserables. I like Joseph as well.
Does "use North Korean poetry" and "use USA poetry" mean that we use poetry that those countries wrote, or write our own?
You too.
Write about Russia in the Napoleonic Wars
You are for Directed Evolution?
Write about the Atlantic ocean
That was accidental
Write about Putin
Write about Putin
Write about Putin
Write about Putin
Write about Putin
What denomination are you arguing for?
Which religion is the truth
For this debate I specifically wanted to argue Christianity, but if you started a Catholicism vs. Islam debate I would accept it.
Start another debate with the same arguments and I will accept it.
How do you write back so fast?!
I think that pro's argument was good, but I don't think it was their place to branch off on their own argument instead of following up on what was put forth by con. I also don't think it's fair to condemn a belief purely because of lack of understanding of it, although con did say God "probably exists". This would be my argument from a Catholic perspective:
1. There is only one kind of evil, and it is man made. Here is an indirect proof for it:
a. "Natural evil" is an evil
b. God created "natural evil", as He created the hurricanes, diseases, ect.
c. Since God created this "evil", He must not be perfectly good, because how can someone perfectly good create evil? And why would He?
This contradicts con's definition of "God" and therefore "natural evil" is not an evil.
So if this "natural evil" isn't really evil, what is it? And why does it exist? Well, this could take a very long time to explain, but to sum it up, there was this thing called "The Fall", when at the beginning of time God created a perfect environment (the Garden of Eden) for two humans (Adam and Eve), but they wanted more and so sinned, and got kicked out, and because of this many punishments were inflicted on them and their descendants, such as pain in childbirth, disease, ect. But do not think that God did this because He hated them, instead He is like a father who knows what is best for his child.
Also do not think that now God sends natural disasters to punish us. This is kind of unrelated to the original point and might take long to explain, so skim over this if you are not interested. But basically, in the year 6-4 BC*, God became man and was born as a child, and in the year 30-33 AD He was crucified by the leading people of His time because they didn't believe He was God and thought He was blaspheming. He was born so that He could die. The important thing about this is that He died for us, so that we might know and love Him. Jesus (that was God's name made man) suffered greatly on the cross for us.
So when we suffer, we are uniting with Christ's sufferings on the cross. Another important thing to note is that God gave us free will (because when something is forced upon you, it is hard to enjoy it as much), so it is our choice whether to accept suffering as an opportunity to draw closer to Him, or to complain about the hardships of life.
*we do not know the exact years
2. As for the question of the man made evil, and why God does not put a stop to it, see the above paragraph on free will. How evil came about is kind of complicated. At the very beginning of time, God created angels, who had complete knowledge of everything from the beginning, and could either choose to reject or follow God. And one of them, the most powerful, decided to betray Him because he couldn't stand not being more powerful than God, and so created evil.
Please remember that these are simply the Catholic beliefs, and that it would be impossible to fully answer the original argument given by con without expressing specific views on God, and please write back if anyone has questions about anything here.
The Les Miserables book is so good! It is one of my favorites. I do like the Phantom music, but not as much as that of Les Miserables. I like Joseph as well.
Yes, I haven't read the Phantom of the Opera. Have you read either of the books?