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Yes choice is a factor in sexuality. But it should not be confused with gender. Have the clarity to say you are a man but you have sex with men.

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Seriously you guys don't have anything else to discuss. I see a cycle here where some people just enjoy shitting on people grow up. There are many things to do. Don't make hating your sole reason to exist.

He is not perfect being.

He is a perfect example. Most ideal for that matter.  No I don't think anything what he did should be replicated. The intent behind his actions are to be understood before judging him.

And yes most muslim will say yes on a whim of you ask them so don't bother.

Answer to your thought experiment

If I  find him to be a  lecher I will surely condemn him. However I doubt it. It is like declaring Jesus as a fraud. This whole pedo thing was never questioned before 20th century. Even his enemies who attempted to assassinate him and spread rumours about him never thought of it. Surely people then never found it disturbing. It is only after 20th century people started questioning him.

Ahh you should also know this.

Back in those days boys and girls are betrothed at the time of their birth. They used to marry at (15-17) and live with husband's family. But before that the girl used to spend some time with the husband's family so that she feels welcomed when she goes there.

You win

You know the problem with muslims is the moment they get a question out of their syllabus they declared it as sunnah or else haram. The just leave it be without an explanation. Why not accept that you do not know the answer and promise to comeback with valid answer with authentic sources. Seems  hardwork for them.

You believe a psychologically ill abused girl can lead a whole country for 60 years or some. I generally refrain from answer this particular question about Mother Aisha. Because it is a waste of time. People call our Prophet a war mongerer but do not know his tragedy of life. He grew up without a father. He lost his mother early. Lost his grandfather. Lived with his uncle. Lost his first wife very soon. His days before prophethood were normal. But after he was 40 his hardships increased. During the 13 years in Mecca he wa ridiculed, threatened, and abused but he still kept his patience. He is the perfect example of how a Muslim should be.  Even if you go now there are remains of his home well preserved. That will show how he lived. 

With this much contribution of his I feel terrible when I answer such questions. You  have asked it in a good way ( and I am happy for that not many do) that is why I chose to answer or else why should I waste my breathe on someone who's sole aim is to demean my religion. You might not believe me but if you really want to know how his life was go do some research and to be honest I wish no one should face a life that hard. 

I believe in One God. I believe in angels. I believe in prophets. I believe in Quran. I believe in the Judgement day. I believe in life after duniyah. I never denied the importance of Hadiths but people elevate hadiths to the level where it is irrefutable. They need it understand that it can be change with time. Like banning Music! How come something like that a discipline associated with negetive elements. People in Afghanistan are putting burqas on mannequin ( yes check that out)  quoting weak hadiths. This is want I am against of. Hope you get what I am saying.

 

Let me explain you the history of hadiths.

I will address the problem first.Prophet (SAW) during those days was like one in all leader of Arab. Apart from passing down the Qur'an he managed all the political and social needs to the best of his capabilities. He had thousands of followers. The problem started when his followers started to write down what Prophet said. And when he came to know that people are writing down what he was saying he said them not to.

It was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not write anything from me; whoever has written anything from me other than the Qur’aan, let him erase it and narrate from me, for there is nothing wrong with that.” (Narrated by Muslim, al-Zuhd wa’l-Raqaa’iq, 5326) 

You see... They wrote it down too.(* First mistake)

Hadiths are generally what Prophet spoke and lived  in his lifetime but there are hadiths written like many years prior to the death of prophet. And there source is literally trust me bro. They start like- " I am the grandson of A who was a friend of B who was the follower of a man who followed beloved prophet."( Just an example ). 

You see the problem here.

Now there were many groups and people who wanted to pollute the Islamic teachings. What they did is they wrote falsehood under the name of Hadiths and distributed it.

But they were handful.

The biggest hit came from the very own Islamic rulers. They made their Maulanas to write false hadiths and incite the common public's religious jingoism to send them in wars. This happened in 10-11th century and that is the time you see the invaded India. There was the first mention of 72 hoors 300 years prior to Revelation. And there were many more. You see these Ex- muslims who ' expose' Islam talk only about these false hadiths. 

Now the question remains why people are not ready to change it. Well there was any attempt to do so. There was a scholar named Bukhari  who separated good Hadiths from bad hadiths but there is a catch here. He was still a human and he lived in the medival times. He had his biases clear. He gave these hadiths authenticity stamps according to his own understanding ( or maybe some of his scholars for there time).  Like banning music and all. These are pure bullshit. How can you attached attribute to something lifeless? 

But why do people today are not ready to change it. Because The Quran explicitly tells us that hadith & sunnah which are Prophetic actions and words are extremely important to follow and hold on to as the entire practice of the Quran and how to live by it is in the life of the Prophet (sallAllahua alaihi wassallam). Since Allah (swt) ensures us in ‘Al Quran 15:09’ that He has protected the book from all corruption till the day of judgment therefore His above commandment to all believers to follow the Prophetic teachings and actions also hold exact same surety of protection. 

( I copied an argument I saw a while back).

Because hadiths still contain a large part of Muslim culture. Not everything written their is wrong but some parts are acting like tumour for the whole religion.

The book free from corruption was only Quran Sharif not anything else. But people here think hadiths are also irrefutable. 

Allah promised us to safeguard revelation but not man- made historical records( Yes that is what hadith is!) 

People do not try to change it because it has been like 800 years and people have associated themselves from the sects which were forbidden in Islam. Because they are validated by many other scholars whom those Muslims place trust in. There are groups of scholars who have been validating these Hadith collections whenever they were collated. That’s why whole sects have developed which affirm to certain collections of Hadith.

Hadiths are important for Muslims. They contain the prescribed lifestyle for Muslims however it is still a man made product. Denying it's incorrectness is where the problem lies.

hadith cannot be true for several reasons. First, the Prophet could not have gone against the Quran to marry a physically and intellectually immature child. Secondly, the age of Hazrat Aisha can be easily calculated from the age of her elder sister Hazrat Asma who was 10 years older than Hazrat Aisha. Waliuddin Muhammad Abdullah Al-Khateeb al Amri Tabrizi the famous author of Mishkath, in his biography of narrators (Asma ur Rijal), writes that Hazrat Asma died in the year 73 Hijri at the age of 100, ten or twelve days after the martyrdom of her son Abdullah Ibn Zubair. It is common knowledge that the Islamic calendar starts from the year of the Hijrah or the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina. Therefore, by deducting 73, the year of Hazrat Asma’s death, from 100, her age at that time, we can easily conclude that she was 27 years old during Hijra.This puts the age of Hazrat Aisha at 17 during the same period. As all biographers of the Prophet agree that he consummated his marriage with Hazrat Aisha in the year 2 Hijri it can be conclusively said that she was 19 at that time and not nine as alleged in the aforementioned hadiths.

Hadiths are unreliable and that's a fact. Every problem and thorn you see in Islam( except for homosexuality, if you say so) was written in Hadiths. From 72 hoors, to kaafir shit( mind you it is written in Quran Sharif that one cannot declare someone kaafir because kaafir means one who hides the truth not non believers ( Al baqarah) ) There is a valid reasoning why hadiths cannot be trusted and what could have the motive behind all the false hadiths. Ask me if you want to know. That would be long to explain and hard to write so I am reluctant to write it without knowing someone's going to read it.

My previous answer is factually disputed. Some say 614, some say 616, some say 610 some even say 602 so I took a different approach.

Mother Aisha was born in 604 AD and died in 678 (her life span was 74 years). She lived for 44 years after the prophet died and her marriage to the prophet was for a duration of 9 years and 5 months. Lets do the math 74 years (Aishas age at death) - 44 years (the amount of years she lived after the prophet died)= 30 years (her age at the time of the prophets death). 30 years - 9 years and 5 months (the duration of the marriage before the prophet died)= 20 years and 7 months. (her age when she got married). so the mathematics shows that Aisha was not 9 years old but an adult woman when she married the prophet. It seems to me (subjectively) that the scribe mixed up Aisha’s age at the time of her marriage with the length of her marriage to the prophet. 

Every thing I said is right. You will find the same in multiple places but the fools are not able to do this simple maths. I hope it clarifies your doubt.

Mother Aisha was born in 604 AD and died in 678 (her life span was 74 years). She lived for 44 years after the prophet died and her marriage to the prophet was for a duration of 9 years and 5 months. Lets do the math 74 years (Aishas age at death) - 44 years (the amount of years she lived after the prophet died)= 30 years (her age at the time of the prophets death). 30 years - 9 years and 5 months (the duration of the marriage before the prophet died)= 20 years and 7 months. (her age when she got married). so the mathematics shows that Aisha was not 9 years old but an adult woman when she married the prophet. It seems to me (subjectively) that the scribe mixed up Aisha’s age at the time of her marriage with the length of her marriage to the prophet. 

Every thing I said is right. You will find the same in multiple places but the fools are not able to do this simple maths. I hope it clarifies your doubt.

There are many proofs that these hadiths are unreliable if you want  I can give you the answer with context.

I can explain it with some sense. My English will not be correct but the idea will be conveyed. I am a STEM student so I am not very good at formulating multiple arguments at a time but I can handle one. Throw me some questions