seldiora

still waiting for my time to shine 

even with net benefit, the only way I can see con side working is with past tense. Even expert analysis claims “My personal prediction is that these tariffs may indeed save several thousand jobs in the steel and aluminum industries. However, I also believe that the number jobs lost from efficiency distortion will be greater than the number of jobs gained. Furthermore, it is my belief that the retaliatory measures taken by foreign countries may further harm the US economy and decrease overall GDP. As time passes and new developments continue to unfold, I will look forward to further analyzing the issue.” It’s goddamn impossible for anyone under whiteflames level to argue con side. Certainly you could argue about semantics of economy and the relative level of impact but no matter how you shift it con side is absurdly difficult

for those that don't know, I can I BB is a Chinese debating show concerning relation based and strange topics, but since it is in Mandarin, much translation is necessary. Sadly, it seems my transcription still needs work... 

https://www.debateart.com/debates/2362-it-is-preferable-for-a-beautiful-woman-to-go-after-a-career-than-going-after-a-man -- I fail to say clearly that men chase after women ;.;

I lost the reborn as smart yet hated because I mistranslated the "disgusting" to loathed, and the "single dog vs noble" isn't literal, it's slang meaning being lonely and needing sympathy. I cry

80 WPM. My sister can do above 100 WPM

it seems apparent to me that intelligence is putting very little effort in debates (https://www.debateart.com/debates/2334-being-single-as-a-human-is-more-similar-to-being-a-dog-than-being-a-noble)

Even Oromagi's "truisms" and definitions have more effort put into them. Detestable.

Does the Take-out person provoke me? (this is confusing, lol)

should we sacrifice one person (without their permission) to save 100?

BB is just the English name, it means Crap talk

yeah I like the Chinese game show though it is relatively new

9spaceking from DDO

right now I am still looking like one of the worst debaters on this site but with all stats combined I am somehow not terrible.

Total wins: 182

Total ties: 48

Total losses: 142

As you can see I still have  only 40% lose rate so I am still good.

Whiteflame has to build up his reputation, he never takes easy debates. That's also why Bsh1 is really low here despite being better than everyone

after graduating and living a normal life, should I join the classmates' reunion?

Is the girlfriend bestfriend ("honey/confidante") a lie (impossible)?

no you can't? How do you do this?

(i.e., the won debates, the tied debates, the lost debates) -- It kinda bothers me that DDO has it and DART doesn't. What if we lose track of Oromagi's eventual first loss on this site? XD

That we should save a famous painting over a cat

Calling your mother "Superman" is truly a compliment (Con narrowly won)

this probably helps http://debateon.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/2/2/7822220/-userdocs-documents-pf_topic_analysis_-_february_2015.pdf

seems obvious. 

hooray! /s

I feel like I'm putting too much stress on the idea of being in a relationship, so I was hoping to put this to the test. Socrates method alone wasn't enough to defeat my idea, even though I felt my thought was flawed. Here is the following cross-examination versus myself.
The idea is simple. Humans innately seek relationship and intimacy, for the most part (asexual people aside), and I am one of those people. Studies have shown that kisses and hugs release dopamine and oxytocin, important to counter depression and improve mood. As the famous moral philosophy Utilitarianism itself had stated, the greater the overall happiness, the better. As long as I'm not hurting anyone, it should be fine.
Q: Why not merely friendship?
A: It seems to me that in general close romance is trusted more, and friendship in contrast comes and goes with no crux to the relationship. Consider the fact that being married means you have to spend your whole life together, in the same house, this is a testament to the power of love compared to mere friendship. The only friendships that I heard last an entire life are those that are rooted in being childhood friends, and a lot of those turn into romance as well. But as I have no childhood friends, it seems very unlikely that I would be able to establish any more, especially as adults are wary of each other, have other friends and worries, and harder to establish merely a long friendship.
Q: What if you fail?
A: Isn't there the famous saying, "it is better to have loved and lost than have not loved at all?" I would gain much experience from failing, and have a story to tell in the end. I've suffered a lot of emotional troubles in the past and I feel like they would help me get through this. And in the end, wouldn't my interaction with general friends be improved as a result of deeply understanding one other person?
Q: Does it matter to you if casual, or serious?
A: Here is admittedly where things get blurry, of course, I am able to accept friends with benefits if that is the only thing that I can achieve. But I am saying I am also not afraid to be more serious, even if that means potentially having to let go of the other person at the drop of a hat. With my analytical abilities I should be careful enough to have a good idea which type of relationship I should take, and blurring the line is better than not even getting close to the line in my opinion.
Counter: What if you are too ambitious and ignore the line as such? Human emotion is selfish and greedy as such, you yourself are unsatisfied with merely friendship; how can we be so sure you won't break the idea of "friends with benefits" as well?
A: As previously said, the solution is to merely take it lightly, being open to all possibilities and solutions. I'm sure if you tell your FWB that you wanted to make it an open relationship (potentially deeper possibilities), they would be understanding and allow you, especially since it's not a true emotional investment and only a little involvement.
Q: If you are willing to blur the line, does this not mean you only like the physical aspect, and hence, negate the emotional ideas? You said yourself you wanted to take things lightly.
A: If physical is the only thing I can get, that is what I'll take. I can still ready myself for something more serious, if we are compatible and things go well. FWB can still be a step towards an actual relationship, and taking things lightly is only the initial approach; I can always invest more once I see that the relation is going to last.
Q: You say in utilitarianism, the greater the overall happiness the better, but how can you know you won't hurt the other more than the experience you gained?
A: In this case, I'd say the best thing to do is to warn them beforehand you might be fickle and testing out relationships, looking for people with a similar viewpoint. As such, they also won't be too emotionally invested, resulted in unlikely happiness lost in the case of utilitarianism.
Q: AHA! That's the flaw in your argument! You assume that they're willing to go slow and light, but what if they want to quickly achieve a serious relationship as fast as possible? Wouldn't your idea be completely negated? After all, too slow results in too little progress in the relationship!
A: Relationships usually take time to build, especially a long and serious ones. What they want to do should be up to them, and I can just take my time. Isn't the worst case, just gaining another friend and helping them figure out their new relation?
Q: Your case in view only looks at yourself and not the other person. What if they have malicious intentions and only want finance?
A: I think this is relatively rare. I'm careful enough not to waste any important money on another person; only using it if absolutely necessary. I get that it can seem kind of stingy, but everyone ought to be wise in spending money, and the other person should understand if I don't want to give thousands of dollars to help them, if it's only a relatively casual relationship.
Q: How would you know when to keep going, or how to give up? Isn't this a problem?
A: There is the internet, there is my intuition. I can analyze the ongoing benefits and negatives of the relationships to figure out what is wrong and either try to fix it, or move on to try another person. I don't see the problem here.
Q: reason won't work on him... let's try this! Your face is ugly! Your personality is horrible! You have to worry not only about your job, your family, but now you want to worry about a relationship? Hah! Good luck with that, you fool!
A: Even if I am unable to get a relation, that doesn't mean I shouldn't try. There are indeed other problems that I should tackle first, but that shouldn't negate the eventual need for more companionship. Family is family, they are essentially different from romance. And please don't straw man this into incest; that's another thing entirely.
Q: You are a lost cause! You spit ideals and the best result possible, but you do not specify precisely what you are looking for? How do you know when one is right and when one is wrong for you, exactly?
A: As one of the other comment suggests, meeting groups of people would help the most to find the right one. Through interactions and discussions, I can gradually both improve my social skill and find out who is most fitted towards me.
Q: Another idealistic answer. What will you say? What will you do? In the spark of the moment, you choke up, you stand still, and you waste your chance. How can you achieve your goal?!
A: Isn't your thought process the only obstacle in the way? The same problems occur for any job interview, which is much more stressful, with money and career on the line. Especially considering the possibility that they will be your future boss or manager. As we continue practicing, can you say for sure that all my chances will be wasted?
Q: Impossible! My argument can't be flawless! There is no way that I found an objectively moral action, as people cannot even agree on whether murder is always unjust or if torture is necessary. But what is wrong with the thought process??!

there is the infamous 7 levels of disagreement (https://abagond.wordpress.com/2010/07/26/the-seven-levels-of-disagreement/). Here, for humor and for fun I will try to write the opposite, trying to prove your point on 7 different levels.

Level 0: I'm right.

Level 1: I'm right because I feel I'm right.

Level 2: I'm right because the evidence supports me.

Level 3: It is more probable than not that I am right, because of this such evidence from this article, and that such evidence from this research.

Level 4: There are certain positives from my extensive research that overall outweighs the negatives, and as such, prove that my stance is correct.

Level 5: Not only are my sources trustworthy, experts have agreed with this opinion. Combined with these statistics and ideals of benefits overcoming the harms, my stance is correct as a result.

Level 6: Not only using mere statistics and others' opinions, the reasoning behind the logic is clear, due to these specific ideas that lead to irrefutable results, the benefits that come to fruition are clearly better than the negatives, so as a result, my stance is correct.

Level 7: Let us first define each word in the premise. Now, having said that, I will dive into how this is supported by reasoning, data, and even some emotional appeal. The past had resulted in this occurring. The present, has this happening right now. And the future, seems to suggest a result in my favor. With all of these combined, it is clear that the validity of my reasoning is solid, and therefore, my stance is correct.

L e v e l 8 : The burden of proof is on my opponent.

(obviously joking)

plz add me

here is a funny summarization of how I feel people would argue on a topic.

Example topic: Can alternative energy effectively replace fossil fuels?

Oromagi: Just what is, "alternative energy"?

Ragnar: Based on these implications and ideas, let me show you how my side is winning...

Whiteflame: Given these exact statistics and trustworthy research sites, I have completely defeated my opponent in this topic.

RoyLatham: We must first analyze how the government looks upon the fossil fuels and alternative energy as a political policy...

Intelligence: Opp. BoP is not sufficient to prove his case.

Supadudz: there is a flaw in opponent's argument, here...

yes, pineapple on pizza is fine

I take topics I can't win lol

Title. Ask Me Anything.

Oromagi Supadudz and Ragnar

Charter School I guess lol (I probably could've done better though XD)

season 4

Are you willing to be a single mom?

Is the pollution in the struggling cities serious?

Is it a virtue not to trouble others?

Do you forgive if your partner in distress escapes?

Should the higher beings biological eggs be destroyed?

Do parents propose to live in a nursing home?

Is it stupid to donate money to those who have a good path already set out?

Do you want to help your lover restore memory with one click?

Is the crit of life worthy of gratitude?

Do you want to be a meritocracy in the workplace?

Do you want to customize your perfect life with one click?

Am I wrong without self-motivation?

Will you still chase after ten years without being together?

People who drink the water from a magic well will become confused and mix up black and white. If everyone drinks it, then should you drink it or not.

Life has been filled with work, do you want to resign?

If you are serious, you lose, right?

We will eventually become the people we hate. Is it a bad thing?

season 5

Dad will be cancelled the title of father if he accompanies his child for less than 12 hours a week. Do you support it?

Is Keyboard Man a True Man?

There are other suitors in love, do you want to tell your partner?

High-paid jobs that you don't like and low-paid jobs that you like, which one do you choose?

If there is a button to see how much your partner loves you, do you want to press it?

Couples quarrel, who should apologize for who is wrong first?

I was ridiculed and bullied by my classmates because I was too fat. Should I lose weight?

Dad/Mom wants to remarry someone I don’t like, should I stop it?

My love is cheating on me, should I cause them a little trouble, if it leaves no evidence?

You are in a happy relationship. Big data has matched you with the best person in the world. Would you like to have a date with him?

in a foreign country, I am not happy, should I tell my parents?

All human brains can share knowledge in one second. Do you support it?

Which is more unacceptable for lovers, to hide their rich, or poor background from you?

If there is a bottle of water that can eliminate grief, would you drink it?

If you can see the "time of death" of others, should you tell them?

I am not gregarious, do I want to change it?

If your partner finds a partner who can make him happier soon after you die, will you bless him?

normal persons response

season one

I liked con's speech in "should be able to revive their singular most loved one" so much that I translated it to English for your pleasure:

the topic is not whether you should revive someone, but rather, it's whether you can let go of someone or not. What is this sci-fi situation? I've been here for quite some time, I've seen some come, I've seen some go. Some people were forced to go, they respect the rules. Some go by their own volition, they respect their decision. Some want to challenge the world. On top of that mountain is the "best model" trophy. Some people want to go on a vacation, their journey is called the space and the ocean. Some people already left this planet, but are still in another universe. Some people are here, some people are here (points to heart). Because, some people are here. Everyday, every year, I listen to the pressing of the button, people want to revive their loved one, why bother even asking, you are meeting your loved one after all? No, I don't press. Because they told me, they lived a whole life of warmth, and the only thing they can't give up is love, and freedom. There are not here, so you think they are gone. But they are here (points to heart), so they have always are here. One Piece's Shiluruk used his life goal to create in his mind the pink snow, everyone beside him laughed at his stupidity, insanity, dumbness, but before he died, he succeeded. He let the entire world see the pink snow. Before dying, he said: "You will not die to bullets penetrating your chest. You will not die to an incurable disease. Only being forgotten, is the true death. Those that you truly loved, and left, those men and women who lived on this planet, will never die, because they lived in your heart, the pink snow falling still.

bad one again, it's actually "If a person could be reborn, it would be fine to be smart but disgusting/a slob"

- Are you willing to pull a Phillip J. Fry and cryogenically freeze yourself for 100 years?

Bad translation on the smart geek one, it’s “I would be reborn as a nasty smart person”. But it could still be countered by the amazing “you live on in memory” idea

just curious what are your two stances on these personal topics? Do you agree with the winning side?

(Also I just realized the con revive loved one can still be used against reborn as smart disliked geek as you can argue your legacy of your old self still lives on and Use the grand idea to defeat pro)

Oh also I missed out on the one where old people should keep living for the young if possible. Pretty sure con won for similar reasons to the revive loved one debate.

Finale: Do (should?) you regret being an average person?

they want people to be able to relate to it, they would need a lot of research to solve George W. VS Abraham Lincoln or Conservatism. Politics get boring because you cite other people's words, other articles, statistics, etc., all of these topics only require common sense and a solid sense of reasoning. Anyone who has parents has experienced unnecessary truisms, while only educated people in the U.S. would know enough to say who was better out of George and Abe.

- As a young person, that being "exquisitely poor" (spending money in such a way that you don't have much left) is wrong. (team debate, nearly tie, con won!)

please check above.

continued:

- If a child is acting poorly in public and the adult is doing nothing, the parent should be taught a lesson (con wins)

- 25 yo, no dating experience, should I tell potential partner I was always solo? (Pro won)

- Should I send the new employee a wedding invitation? (pro won)

Speed rounds

- City house or town house? (city house win, followed by town house)

- Break ups should be face-to-face (pro win)

Con won the Revival loved one twice, proving that pro's case is near impossible to make. Pro also won the Useless Truths one another time by once more stressing about care and attention, while con tried to stress you have no elegance and no manner if you keep saying too many useless truths.

- my best friend was my wingman but he ended up with my secret crush, I should end this friendship (pro landslide)

- that everyone should be able to revive their singular most loved one (con landslide)

Intelligence mentioned this fun entertainment show that uses debate topics for amusement. Here is a list of their topics and who won if you want to have a take at them (to be updated):

-  Truisms, despite adding no constructive value to their discussions, are still worth mentioning within said discussions (Pro narrowly win)

-If your partner is living with someone the opposite sex, you should force them to move out (Con won by landslide)

- I would be reborn as a disliked smart geek (Pro win by landslide)

I like how he isn't afraid to show off his knowledge of obscure music

title. I started a bunch of debates with the same title as TOURNAMENT R1: seldiora vs supadudz, but maybe its due to previous one being deleted, it keeps disappearing for some reason.

*looks left no oromagi*

*looks right no ragnar*

"I'm in."

I am too lazy to do this one by one so I will list my full List of 100/100 :
Lindsey Stirling: Electric Daisy Violin, Crystallize, The Arena,
Other instrumental: 2Cellos – Game of thrones, – Celloverse; Reflections – Taylor Davis, To the Moon – For River, Black Violin – “A Flat”, Simply Three – Maverick,
Rock: Fall Out Boy – Thx 4 Th Mmrs, Deftones – Change, Meg Myers – Desire, Metallica – Enter Sandman; Nightwish – Amaranth
modern English Pop: Bad romance – Lady Gaga, Maroon 5 – This Love, Coldplay – Viva la Vida, Can’t Sleep Love – Pentatonix, Legends Never Die, Rather Be – Clean Bandit, Carly Rae Jepsen – Run Away With Me,  Neon Trees: Animal (minor key), Ariana Grande – Into You; Brittney Spears – Toxic,
Foreign Language:  Bad Apple – Touhou ; Happy Halloween – Junky 
Pre-2000: MJ – Beat it, MJ – Billie Jean; Fresh – Kool & The Gang; The Beatles – While My Guitar Gently Weeps; EWF –  Let’s Groove; Chris Isaak  – Wicked Game ; EWF – September; If You Want Me To Stay – Sly & The Family Stone
Misc.: Nerina Pallot – The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter (jazz), Eminem – Lose Yourself (rap)_

Blade of Truth on DDO has gone undefeated for longer (100 debates in a row). Oromagi has been beaten by Ragnar and bsh1. He's a decent debater with good backing and knowing of stances, which is why he has not been beaten here. He could be easily beaten by thett3, Roy latham, bluesteel, and maybe even Mikal, but since none of them are here the only other person I can think of who can beat him with 100% certainty here is Whiteflame or Zaradi. (Rational madman might win? depends on the subject)

[if you don't believe me challenge me to a debate, I can prove whiteflame/zaradi would thoroughly destroy him. Though I am actually not sure how well Blade of truth would do. Larztheloser might stand a decent chance]