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The various institutions, the schools, libraries, history, science, all are connected, maintained, and articulated by the apparatus of the nation-state. The market economy, and thereby all of its fruits, are maintained by the property distinctions enforced by the nation-state. However, with the rise of the internet, many of the foundations which made these coordinates make sense start to drift apart. Individuals can gain more education online, non-locally, than they can at school. The very institution of the education system, as a localised, state-funded institution connected to a history, an ethnicity, and so on, becomes displaced - not abolished, but its relationship to individuals fundamentally shifts.
This shift happens with all of the fundamental coordinates of the nation-state, and thereby, the basic categories such as gender, race, competence, the work day (5 day work week, weekend, holidays), the tax system, currency -- our relationship to all these things is fundamentally mediated by the fact that our interactions take place in the context of physical locality, a patch of land, in which the shared constraints of familiarity, history, ethnicity and so on, are presupposed. This presupposition is slowly, indirectly, yet persistently displaced by the development of the internet.
The nation-state model has historically been the dominant framework for organising collective life - it has shaped everything from education and economic systems to notions of citizenship, ethnicity, and social norms. But as more and more of our interactions and experiences move online, the physical and ideological boundaries of the nation-state start to break down. Education, commerce, community-building, and identity formation increasingly happen in deterritorialised digital spaces that transcend local contexts. This decoupling of social institutions from physical location calls into question many of the basic assumptions and power structures underpinning the nation-state. In this light, the mainstreaming of transgender identity can be seen as just one manifestation of a much broader cultural shift towards individualisation and self-determination in a post-national world. When traditional anchors of identity like local community, ethnicity, and nationhood lose their taken-for-granted status, individuals have more leeway to define themselves on their own terms. Core coordinates like currency, taxation, and labor rhythms evolved to manage collective life within the bounded space of the nation-state, but they struggle to map onto the fluid, borderless terrain of the internet.
Discourse which attempts to acknowledge the historical diversity of gender expressions across cultures often misses the fact that there is something qualitatively different about the way identity is being reconfigured in the digital age. It's not just about greater visibility or acceptance of previously marginalised identities, but a more fundamental rewiring of the very foundations of personal and collective identity. The question then becomes, what new forms of social, economic, and political organisation will emerge to replace the declining nation-state system? How will we construct meaning, belonging, and accountability in a world where identity is increasingly self-elected and untethered from place?
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In my opinion, too many controversial users on this site have been banned, leading to an overall reduction in activity here. Users like PolytheistWitch, or far right users like Mesmer, may have been odious to some, but such a diversity of views is essential to this site. In my opinion, this site cannot be interesting without a healthy contingent of extremely unpleasant people on it. Personally, I would advocate that the policy on banning should be skewed much further in a liberal, laissez-faire direction.
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We are constantly reminded that internet is "not real" - to the extent that we are immersed in technology, we are not living in reality. According to this idea, the increasing interest in the metaverse, for instance, is a collective delusion. Conversations or interactions which happen online rather than face to face are seen as imaginary, while only face-to-face conversations are "real" or actually occurring. Online interactions are seen as a delusion of the person engaging in them, and thus in a sense, the very use of the internet and technology are seen as an addiction or mental illness. All of the distributed interactions of the internet are medicalized and diagnosed according to their effects upon individual mental health, which leads many to a reactionary and disinterested attitude to all technological development. Something such as the metaverse, or crypto-currency, is a collective delusion, a gimmick or bubble which is inevitably bound to pop at any moment. As these movements grow and their influence increases, this is only interpreted as a growth in the scale and severity of collective delusion. The genders, avatars and identities which people adopt online are seen as symptoms, as signs of mental illness simply by virtue of the fact that they exist online. Reduction, for example, in real life relationships is interpreted as a sign of a dark turn, since interactions which take place online are by definition viewed as an ethereal shadow, an imitation of what occurs in reality.
Another typical response in this case, is the turn to a conspiratorial mindset. Since digital culture is not seen to have any causative force in itself, any force it does exert must then be attributed to a group of radical college students, to the administrative state or to Klaus Schwab. However, by the sheer fact of connecting people, in increasingly manifold and fine-grained ways, to interact across distances beyond those of physical interaction, the internet exerts a force of its own, which those institutions can only respond to or attempt to articulate into policy. Because an interaction with someone anywhere else in the world can occur with equal likelihood, and with no more friction, compared to interacting with someone within the same nation, the norms of religious and ethnic affiliation which traditionally maintained the sovereignty and unity of the nation no longer maintain their grounding in the underlying processes of production and communication. For example, long distance relationships become more common, and people will be united more by ideas rather than by location, or by their physical appearance. As physical appearance can be easily manipulated, it becomes more an expression of one's preferences than their genetics, so that people are more associated with their avatar, which is a continually constructed artistic expression of their values. Sexual interaction becomes altogether less common. As an immediate effect, political polarization increases, as national identity is deconstructed, the nuclear family is marginalized, and so on. I believe that these are not symptoms of decline, but the first stages of a global shift in the organization of supply chains, as the nation-state no longer makes sense as the basic structural unit for the world economy.
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The idea that Margaret Sanger was a racist white supremacist who wanted to use abortion to wipe out the "inferior" races is a common refrain of the conservative opponents of abortion. However, closer investigation shows that the situation is more complex. In fact, Sanger saw herself as a proponent of "eugenics" - but in a broader sense of eugenics as the genetic improvement of the human race. This is an idea which certainly deserves criticism, but there is a difference between this kind of eugenics, and white supremacy. In fact, Sanger saw her project as helping the black communities, and wanted to communicate the benefits to them. She did not see the promotion of abortion in black communities as an attempt to wipe them out, but instead wanted to work with black leaders such as W. E. B. DuBois to help "a group notoriously underprivileged and handicapped to a large measure by a 'caste' system that operates as an added weight upon their efforts to get a fair share of the better things in life."
I think it is magnificent that we are in the ground floor, helping Negroes to control their birth rate, to reduce their high infant and maternal death rate, to reduce their high infant and maternal death rate, to maintain better standards of health and living for those already born, and to create better opportunities for those who will be born.
The attempt to simply project conservative ideas about abortion as harming the demographics of a group, and the connotations of "eugenics" as inherently racist, in order to paint Sanger as a "third rail" untouchable figure, is a genuine example of the "cancel culture" which conservatives claim to oppose.
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From what I remember of debate.org, there was an abundance of anarcho-communists, progressives and generally leftists on the site.
Today, on DART it seems like the dynamic has changed, so that mostly it's Trump supporters, anti-woke people, etc. talking about cancel culture or whatever, and then a handful of center-left liberals.
Why has the balance changed so much?
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If someone asked me to call them by the pronoun "she / her" - although they were born as a male - I can agree to this purely as a matter of social convention. I do not need to believe that this person is "really" female or "really" male. In other words, just because I use female pronouns to refer to this person, it doesn't necessarily imply anything in terms of my beliefs about their chromosomes. Conservatives may not happen to like this social convention, and prefer that pronouns used in conversation always mapped onto biology or the gender assigned at birth. However, the fact that progressives disagree, in no way implies that they are confused about the science of biology. And, to argue that this convention should be generally accepted, is not to deny the biology of sex differences. I bring this up because it is a fact that is almost universally misunderstood or misconstrued by conservatives when talking about the issue.
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The Bitcoin white paper describes it as a "purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash."
However, many argue now that it is an asset rather than a currency, largely due to the volatility of its price. Cryptocurrency in general, has struggled to find a genuine use case outside of speculative investment. NFTs can be seen as signifiers of status or luxury items, but this is far from settling the question of their inherent value. Many also pin their hopes to crypto gaming, yet the games themselves have yet to be developed, and it is not clear how the presence of NFTs will enhance the actual gameplay - it remains for crypto gaming to develop games that anyone actually wants to play for their quality as games. Another development is decentralized finance, which seems to simply be a rotating of funds between assets and functions essentially as a ponzi scheme. It raises the question, what is the genuine use case for cryptocurrencies, and will their main appeal always be as a vehicle for risky, yet profitable speculative investments?
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Probably the most common atheist argument is that there is no evidence that God exists. However, it is unclear what would constitute positive empirical evidence for God's existence. Most theological arguments for God's existence are rational rather than empirical - except perhaps for the argument for design, based on the inherent rationality evidenced by the material world. How can human beings assess the evidence for an infinite being that is, by definition beyond their comprehension? What would a world without God look like, compared to a world with God - and how can we be sure enough about this to make the comparison? In many ways, the concept of God is beyond the material world, and as such empirical evidence cannot legitimately have any bearing on whether or not we accept it.
This also brings the question of what it would mean to believe in God at all. If God is truly infinite and beyond human comprehension, then is whatever believers have in mind when they think about God, really God? If an image, or feeling, or idea comes to mind when thinking about God, then this limited idea can never really be God, who is a totally infinite being. Then, our use of the word "God" itself becomes an empty signifier, a vague attribution of sapience to the universe without any concrete application.
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Debates about things like CRT are only grasping at secondary phenomena. For example, the debates about whether the US is fundamentally based upon oppression, slavery or racism. Whether the disparities between various demographics are natural, or cultural - equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome. These debates can never be resolved, because both sides hold an assumption in common. The very idea of "merit" or "competence" is really a measure of one's propensity to rise to the top of a system of social cohesion whose centre is really maintained by the stability of the nation-state form. What is supposed as "natural" is really the nation-state form, which is supposed as historically immutable. In fact, in the scale of historical time it is relatively recent, and the circle of social structures organised in its image is already quickly receding. Within a few hundred years, the idea that humanity organised its economic systems by bundling groups of people according to hereditary lineages will be a distant memory, and new methods of determining social cohesion will have been formulated. When we ask if various problems are caused by nature, by culture, or by "neoliberalism" or "capitalism" - really these are the problems of an age of transition. The nation-state as the organising principle of geopolitics is breaking up, and is slowly being replaced by a new paradigm. The breakup of the concept of the nation-state will be the deconstruction of the very concepts of race, gender, and class. These tendencies cannot be pinned to any conspiracy of revolutionary college students, greedy capitalists, or any other group - it is a tendency inherent in our social structures, and the attempt to circumvent or avoid it requires increasingly extreme measures, since it is against the fundamental tendency of progress.
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If given the choice to:
- reduce the gap and make various groups in society have a more even amount of influence and wealth, or
- increase the absolute level of wealth in society,
It is better in my opinion to even out the gap rather than increasing the absolute level.
Even if someone's absolute level of comfort is quite high, their life will feel meaningless if they have no influence socially.
What do you think?
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If you had to choose only one of these outcomes, which would you pick?
- Opening up immigration to allow more people in, or
- Increasing government spending on welfare programs?
On the one hand, many progressives claim to value open immigration, but I wonder what they would choose if increased immigration meant more pressure on the welfare state.
On the other hand, many conservatives claim to value the free market and the exchange of ideas, but advocate social policies which would further isolate distinct social groups based upon ethnicity, which seems antithetical to an open market.
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Open borders is the principle of free movement. It refers to the ability of people from any country to live and work wherever they wish, and its main function is to increase the pool of labour available for increased economic production. Advocates for open borders say that this would double world GDP, and that restrictions on movement constitute an unethical state incursion on the ability of individuals to associate freely based upon voluntary contracts. Critics of open borders argue that increasing the labour pool reduces the bargaining power of the working class, or that cultural differences will make the immigrants too dangerous or lazy to make the economic benefits worthwhile.
In my opinion, free movement is the most important human right. When individuals are given the widest possible horizon of people who they may associate with, the boundaries of human creativity are expanded. Free movement of labour is an essential component of the market, and the existence of multiple cultures within a society reduces the capacity for any one corporate entity to gain a foothold and consolidate its power into a monopoly.
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