oof, good luck, you'll need it. Thett3 was one of the best debaters on DDO (on par with Whiteflame), and I heard he only got better. He's probably one of the only people here who could potentially beat Blamonkey in a landslide.
now that this debate is over, care to give some more commentary? I'm still not 100% sure about my decision, but Blamonkey seemed to avoid refuting your inference of "it can't be done" (they are too poor to have any effect).
what did you think about my vote? I feel like the R4 helped elucidate Con's argument more, while Pro's grew muddier and muddier. So while I would vote Pro with only 3 rounds, I felt like Con had just a hair more idea by the very end.
I see, that makes quite some sense. I knew Und's argument for racism didn't 100% cut the work for sanctuary cities. It looks powerful on surface, but even with my added analysis, the sanctuary city benefit is difficult to see 100%.
Nani?!!! I thought you had to be at least Imabench/Mikal level of tricky to argue Con on this. (I doubt even Bluesteel/Raisor could argue Con side, you can't debate the opposition the normal way AFAIK) Even Intelligence/Benjamin hesitated to make a weird kritik of this topic. I'm eager to see what you have in store.
I wouldn't call it "Gish gallop" if none of the arguments were significantly flawed or fallacious. That would be like saying his Systemic Racism debate was Gish Gallop
Someone like Mikal might be able to thunderously bring forth a ton of evidence to throw you off "reasonable", or Larztheloser's 30,000 characters round (previously managing to outdo Whiteflame's impacts) to bring out the history of corporal punishment linking to the future. But I feel like other than DDO's trickiest of the trickiest, not even Roy Latham could potentially win this debate. He's sharp and well researched, but I doubt he can muddle "reasonable" -- as his commonly debated opponent Danielle points out.
again, I'm not 100% sure about my vote myself. Even Undefeatable originally voted Pro due to the 50%+ statistic muddling the debate. Depending on framework, Pro is easily winning. Con didn't push the equality framework as far as he could have (Ex. look at Whiteflame's debate against Undefeatable), but it's definitely there.
nicely done, I think you were clever to avoid the comparison of crime directly (since Con would be losing the argument), but rather focusing on the crime that occurs and reoccurs. It's lucky that you didn't use a framework based approach like you did against Undefeatable, but I think it's rather trivial to conclude that it undermines the very justice and safety that my point 1 makes. I will have to think over how to outweigh or negate that argument.
Sure. I think my argument's strongest point is the relationship with the law. Specifically, I plan to go further in hammering in safety of citizens and improvement of justice in later rounds. This is because based on what I've seen in Undefeatable's immigrant debate, the economic problems are always going to infiltrate on US citizens' rights. The immigrants will take people's jobs, and keeping sanctuary cities could encourage more of that, which is problematic.
I think you are going to take the opposite route and point out the problems with criminals that are inherent within sanctuary cities. Since they are forced to allow "undocumented immigrants", other ideas based on ambiguous or unset laws could erode the justice that I claimed for. If you use US prison or police arrest statistics, I plan to cleverly show that the US justice system is inherently flawed with the corruption (see: Und's systemic racism debate). Thus sanctuary cities which enforce more rights would reduce the bias presented.
What's going on here? I made the same argument con made in my debate similarly arguing from 4th dimensional space. Doesn't pro make the same argument here that observation (shift of perspective) isn't the same as the actual reality? "Surface" =/= volume
your argument looks suspiciously similar to your anti-free will argument... but I guess it's different since this topic is more reasonable to use "you have no free will in sexuality" XD
Pro only talks of our interaction of the physical world and how narrowing our physical experiences is able to reduce to the "brain", but I don't see anything clearly countering Con's objection that the mind may still have some relevance with regards to immaterial ideas (the "concepts" held in the "mind" rather than the physical manifestation of it)
Supadudz wins by a slim margin. Pretty close call but Supadudz was saved by Hikaru Nara and I didn't like Whiteflame's Breezy song. I could give +5~10 points to Gurenge for animation but that's not enough to win.
As this is a music debate, I trust that no in-depth analysis is required. Nevertheless, I've linked my song review blog posts in case someone wants to see why a song got its rating
Redo: 86/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/rezero-redo/)
SAO: 85/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2018/06/18/lisa-crossing-field/)
Fire Force: 90/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/fire-force-inferno/)
oof, good luck, you'll need it. Thett3 was one of the best debaters on DDO (on par with Whiteflame), and I heard he only got better. He's probably one of the only people here who could potentially beat Blamonkey in a landslide.
done.
riot of capitol
are you also Pro on this? Most of your arguments don't work (as the oppression is not violent), but some of them still stand.
now that this debate is over, care to give some more commentary? I'm still not 100% sure about my decision, but Blamonkey seemed to avoid refuting your inference of "it can't be done" (they are too poor to have any effect).
nice try... but not good enough!
what did you think about my vote? I feel like the R4 helped elucidate Con's argument more, while Pro's grew muddier and muddier. So while I would vote Pro with only 3 rounds, I felt like Con had just a hair more idea by the very end.
your refutation is getting quite complex. Any hints/remarks for the final round?
I wouldn't recommend giving Con so much arguments to work with. Not to mention that Bones' kritik of separating them negates that argument entirely.
what do you think? Is a watered down version of Universalism better? I tried poking at potential weaknesses, but couldn't find any obvious ones.
I'm not a big politics guy. I'm not gonna loophole by talking about Iran or China. Let's try this trickery, using the debate description against you!
course not. Would be pretty embarrassing if I managed to beat you lol
I see, that makes quite some sense. I knew Und's argument for racism didn't 100% cut the work for sanctuary cities. It looks powerful on surface, but even with my added analysis, the sanctuary city benefit is difficult to see 100%.
ah, yeah, the undocumented is not as severe as actually stealing or killing, etc.
This is fine, right?
you can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that no good arguments exist for anything.
Unless Con proves that Religious schools are so important that they must continue existing...
dream world logic
Interested?
trying to make your way back onto Und's "nemesis list"? :P
Danielle is trying to replicate coal's debate on corporate punishment.
I'm being a silly goofball taking near impossible topics to enhance my ability to argue on my feet.
toxic: wow, that's chilling, winner winner chicken dinner indeed. 100/100
cradles: glitchy effect got a bit overboard near end but fine 80/100
animal: good try given the difficulty to fill the violin chorus, though some parts were kind of awkward. 90/100
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awaken: reasonably nice stuff, not bad at all 95/100
Oz: Just seemed another lot of flashes of random similar scenes without stronger flow... 80/100
Madoka: not a big fan of the song but the animation was fine 80/100
did RM read my song review site and find Animal had a ridiculously high rating? well, let's see how the amv's are
Warrior: tired of the song but decent animation 85/100
Blood/water: excellent syncing and well done overall 95/100
Lovely: feels slightly unfitting but ok 80/100
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steel: good war scenes and set ups, I see nothing wrong here 95/100
Let it go: a bit too many flashes and weird transition effects... 75/100
anohana: Neat timing of ideas and cool stuff overall, not bad... 90/100
oh, yeah, don't worry, I'll just blanket statement and talk about utilitarianism plus Undefeatable's suggested morality argument
you just said "agreed" rather than making a kritik (see your Earth age debate against Undefeatable)
Nani?!!! I thought you had to be at least Imabench/Mikal level of tricky to argue Con on this. (I doubt even Bluesteel/Raisor could argue Con side, you can't debate the opposition the normal way AFAIK) Even Intelligence/Benjamin hesitated to make a weird kritik of this topic. I'm eager to see what you have in store.
oh, nice to see you active again. Haven't seen you take an education topic, so interested in how you deal with the legendary Undefeatable...
I wouldn't call it "Gish gallop" if none of the arguments were significantly flawed or fallacious. That would be like saying his Systemic Racism debate was Gish Gallop
Unpopular?? This position is a truism.
Someone like Mikal might be able to thunderously bring forth a ton of evidence to throw you off "reasonable", or Larztheloser's 30,000 characters round (previously managing to outdo Whiteflame's impacts) to bring out the history of corporal punishment linking to the future. But I feel like other than DDO's trickiest of the trickiest, not even Roy Latham could potentially win this debate. He's sharp and well researched, but I doubt he can muddle "reasonable" -- as his commonly debated opponent Danielle points out.
are you Con on this topic?
sorry I've been busy, can I waive this round and you'll wait a while and then also waive your round?
cannot merely? Then what is your plan? Can you give more detail?
again, I'm not 100% sure about my vote myself. Even Undefeatable originally voted Pro due to the 50%+ statistic muddling the debate. Depending on framework, Pro is easily winning. Con didn't push the equality framework as far as he could have (Ex. look at Whiteflame's debate against Undefeatable), but it's definitely there.
well DUH, why'd you think this was unrated 500 character one round debate?
I'm probably leaning Pro.
come on gang, what's going on? More interested in K-12 education than Flat Earth theory? XP
vote bump
oops. I forgot about this debate. You can take the win since it's unrated.
nicely done, I think you were clever to avoid the comparison of crime directly (since Con would be losing the argument), but rather focusing on the crime that occurs and reoccurs. It's lucky that you didn't use a framework based approach like you did against Undefeatable, but I think it's rather trivial to conclude that it undermines the very justice and safety that my point 1 makes. I will have to think over how to outweigh or negate that argument.
Sure. I think my argument's strongest point is the relationship with the law. Specifically, I plan to go further in hammering in safety of citizens and improvement of justice in later rounds. This is because based on what I've seen in Undefeatable's immigrant debate, the economic problems are always going to infiltrate on US citizens' rights. The immigrants will take people's jobs, and keeping sanctuary cities could encourage more of that, which is problematic.
I think you are going to take the opposite route and point out the problems with criminals that are inherent within sanctuary cities. Since they are forced to allow "undocumented immigrants", other ideas based on ambiguous or unset laws could erode the justice that I claimed for. If you use US prison or police arrest statistics, I plan to cleverly show that the US justice system is inherently flawed with the corruption (see: Und's systemic racism debate). Thus sanctuary cities which enforce more rights would reduce the bias presented.
sorry, i meant that flat earth theory is just as detached as Qanon. automatic brain be like
giggity
What's going on here? I made the same argument con made in my debate similarly arguing from 4th dimensional space. Doesn't pro make the same argument here that observation (shift of perspective) isn't the same as the actual reality? "Surface" =/= volume
your argument looks suspiciously similar to your anti-free will argument... but I guess it's different since this topic is more reasonable to use "you have no free will in sexuality" XD
Pro only talks of our interaction of the physical world and how narrowing our physical experiences is able to reduce to the "brain", but I don't see anything clearly countering Con's objection that the mind may still have some relevance with regards to immaterial ideas (the "concepts" held in the "mind" rather than the physical manifestation of it)
Final Judgement
Supadudz had 974 points
Whiteflame had 956 points
Supadudz wins by a slim margin. Pretty close call but Supadudz was saved by Hikaru Nara and I didn't like Whiteflame's Breezy song. I could give +5~10 points to Gurenge for animation but that's not enough to win.
Starmaker: 76/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/kana-boon-starmaker/)
Steins;Gate: 87/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/steinsgate-hacking-the-gate/)
Eve: 70/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/eve-kaikai-kitan/)
Total: 233
Wild Side: 93/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2020/09/29/beastars/ [+5 points for unique animation here]
Chaos: 78/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/welcome-to-chaos-by-know_name-dorohedoro/)
Ghost: 76/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/ghost-in-the-shell-inner-universe/)
Total: 247
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My War: 69/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/my-war-by-shinsei-kamattechan/
Naruto: 65/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/kana-boon-silhouette/
Hikaru Nara: 92/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2018/08/10/hikaru-nara-your-lie-in-april
total: 226
Colors: 76/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/colors-flow/
anohana: 79/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/aoi-shiori-by-galileo-galilei/
Dot hack: 88/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/dot-hack-sign-opening/
total: 243
Total Supa: 459
Total Whiteflame: 490
As this is a music debate, I trust that no in-depth analysis is required. Nevertheless, I've linked my song review blog posts in case someone wants to see why a song got its rating
Redo: 86/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/rezero-redo/)
SAO: 85/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2018/06/18/lisa-crossing-field/)
Fire Force: 90/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/fire-force-inferno/)
Total R1: 261
Bebop: 86/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/cowboy-bebop-tank/)
Asterick: 74/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/orange-range-asterick/)
Breezy: 60/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/chelmico-easy-breezy/)
Total R1: 220
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99.9: 88/100 https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/mob-choir-99-9/
Alicization: 89/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/adamas-lisa/)
Fate/Zero: 77/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/fate-zero-op-1/)
total R2: 254
Gurenge: 89/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/『gurenge』by-lisa/)
Again: 87/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/again-by-yui-fullmetal-alchemist-brotherhood/)
Sorairo days: 75/100 (https://favesongs.wordpress.com/2021/03/01/tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-sorairo-days/)
Total R2: 246
Supa so far: 515
Whiteflame so far: 466
To be continued
Are you going for my infamous “earth is smooth” argument? I already tried that, ain’t gonna work
Unwinnable debate from Undefeatable: 24 comments
Somewhat winnable debate from Undefeatable: 0 comments