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@Best.Korea
People only respect other person's choice if they agree with it. Otherwise, they do everything they can to take that choice away.
Also, this is flawed thinking because just because someone disagrees with you their choice doesn't mean they are going to do everything they can to take that choice away.
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No because I want to inform you
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@Athias
"Yes. Whether I like it or not has nothing to do with your capacity to behave your own body. Even if you later come to regret this decision, it would still have been your decision."
Someone at the age of nine can't and shouldn't make a decision to transition to the different sex, and irrevocably change themselves forever. They haven't fully developed and are making a decision based off of what they think is right, but their brain isn't even halfway developed fully yet. The human brain doesn't fully develop until the age of 25.
"If you're going to argue that a person--in this case, a child of nine years--doesn't have the "mental capacity" to make a value-based decision over his/her body, then you're essentially relegating him/her as property of his/her custodians--typically their parents--or the State. And there's no argument you can offer that morally indemnifies this."
Yes, I am saying children are property of the parent. The whole point of being a parent is to protect and teach your kids, so that they may live to survive in this world, and maybe even thrive. This isn't morally wrong; this happens even in nature with animals.
Let's look at an example:
If a child says to their parent that they want to cut off their arm, because they tell you they don't need the arm. Well, you as an adult know very well that they do indeed need the arm and you try to explain to them that doing that would harm them, and they would regret it later.
Same thing with transitioning. A girl might think that she is a boy, so she goes to her parents, and says I want to get rid of my uterus and have a penis. You as an adult know that that couldn't harm them and that they could regret it later.
I was born a biological male, and when I was young, I wore all kinds of dresses and skirts to play dress up with my sister. But now that I've matured, I realized that if me or my parents had transitioned me to be a girl, I would have regrated it.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I agree
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@Athias
Ok but would you agree that a nine-year old doesn't have the metal capacity to make that type of life altering decision. Like I know that when I was nine, I still believed with all my heart that Santa Clause was real, but he really isn't. If I was nine years old, and I believed with all my heart I was a girl, then do you think that even if I had the right resources and money, I should be able to medically transition to a girl?
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I have heard very weird comments about how people think children can chose what their sexuality is, and medically transition at that age. What are yall's thoughts on this?
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If you're using the argument that gender and sex are different, and that people can be one sex, but identify with whatever they want to, then you would have to have a physical biological role for the third or more gender. You can't just identify as something and not physically being that thing. You can think to yourself that you identify as that thing, but it's true to no one else, so you would be living a lie.
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@Polytheist-Witch
When the government is corrupt, and killing people for saying the wrong things, then yes, it is forcing. But you are right, I'm not going to give them control of my life.
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@Polytheist-Witch
No, the U.S. media is forcing people to like and be part of the LGBTQ+ agenda. This is why people are fighting against it.
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@Best.Korea
ok I win then
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@Best.Korea
Hey if you want to keep arguing then accept my debate, I really want to see the facts you have. Obviously, you have some skill given you've won some debates, so debate me.
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@Best.Korea
"US sponsored homosexual education turned me into sodomy loving porn addict."
So, you have or haven't lived in the USA?
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@Best.Korea
Also, yes, I might not have any American voters to defend me, but you absolutely have no North Korean voters to defend you.
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If anyone agrees with this made-up social construct, then tell me the definition of a woman without using the word woman. Plot twist you can't.
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@Best.Korea
I'm not going to waste anymore of my time with you.
You are trying to lead me down rabbit holes that I don't really need to go down.
All I am going to say is this:
Show me any evidence to this argument you just posted.
And if you don't live in the USA, then what country do you live in.
My goal was to try to change your thinking, but your ideology is so messed up that it is useless to debate against you.
If you were so certain you would beat me, then you would have accepted my debate, but no you declined because you know you would lose.
At least I put down evidence and based my thinking in fact, and I could argue against you all day, because half of what you said is a complete lie.
And you didn't embarrass me, you embarrassed yourself.
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@Best.Korea
And if you really want to reply to this, let's just set up a debate so I can put the rest of my evidence on the table.
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@Best.Korea
Ok I'm going to sum this all up
1. America has more freedom than North Korea
Just look at the constitution, we have more freedoms than any other nation by far. That has made us one of the strongest countries in the world.
We have rights to firearms, which helps us protect ourselves, and is a reason why most countries wont attack our soil, because most of our "weak civilians" as you would call it, have guns to protect themselves.
We also have freedom of speech, something North Korea doesn't have. Yes, that has caused some stupid things to happen, but at least people cannot live in fear of knowing that if they say something wrong then they will be arrested. If you really don't like this LGBTQ+ agenda, as well as I, then you'll agree with me, that saying people shouldn't live in fear knowing that if they use someone's incorrect pronouns, then they will be canceled, is the same as saying people shouldn't live in fear of knowing that if they say something wrong then they will be arrested. North Korean's don't even have control of their own emotions when it comes to this. If you are so certain you would still be able to post this in North Korea as you said, then go to North Korea yourself, and post from there, see if you can. In fact, why are you even living in America if you hate it so much, just move. But no, you are going to use your American privilege and your freedom of speech to argue against me online.
North Korean's also don't have the freedom to express religious beliefs. Yes, their constitution says, and I quote "...its constitution guarantees free exercise of religion, provided that religious practice does not introduce foreign forces, harm the state, or harm the existing social order." but that basically eliminates all religions given that North Korea's social order goes against almost all religions.
2. America is stronger than North Korea
Unlike what you said, if America wanted to, we could wipe out North Korea off the face of the earth in a matter of days. We won't because of politics and morals, but we could if we wanted to.
America has more advances ICBM's than North Korea. I found where you got the "evidence" that North Korea has more advanced ICBM's than Americas. the link has a or.jp link which is very unreliable. North Koreas most powerful ICBM's as of today, is KN-08 which no one really knows how much TNT it holds, and which is less powerful than all of Indias, Chinas, France's, UK's, USAs, and Russia's. The US's most powerful ICBM is Minuteman III, which holds 3 x 300 kt of TNT.
America has the most powerful military in the world.
I would explain in my own words why the U.S military is the most powerful, but since I actually do research, I think this article speaks for itself. Here is a paragraph from the article, and a link. "While the amount of military personnel is an important factor of an army’s strength, what really takes the U.S. to the next level is our air superiority as well as naval prowess. The U.S. military possesses almost 2,100 fighters, 967 attack choppers, over 900 air transports, and special-purpose aircraft. Some notable units are the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber, A-10 Thunderbolt II, and Apache Attack Helicopter. Drones shouldn’t be ignored either as they rise in popularity for taking out High-Value Targets." Does the United States Really Have the World’s Strongest Military? | The National Interest. I would read that article if I were you. And yes, you were right about our wars in Afghanistan and Korea, but if you look at the political side of it, you will see that the reason those wars took so long, is because our government kept pulling out and pushing in again. If our generals took full control, then those wars could have been done in weeks.
3. Why you're thinking make sense
You said and I quote "People should only be given a little power so that their lives aren't too horrible. The point of government is not to make you happy. It is to make government as powerful as possible so that it can survive and rule forever. People don't even deserve to be happy. They deserve to be oppressed so that they know their place." This makes no sense, because the whole point of society, is to thrive and to get more advanced as time goes on. Humans live and thrive off their morals. Thats why we are such an advanced species, because we can understand right from wrong. Government can survive for long, if their people are dying at extreme rates, and people are trying to flee the country, daily. If the government is focusing on controlling people, then they can't focus on building themselves up technologically and societally. People don't deserve to be oppressed and know their place, you would say all this online in America, but as soon as your oppressed and put in your place, then you will be begging to come back to the American ways. If your already unhappy about this LGBTQ+ agenda, and your porn addiction, then you would be extremely unhappy in North Korea.
You also contradicted yourself when you said, and I quote "US sponsored homosexual education turned me into sodomy loving porn addict." Then after that you said," you say that people can revolt? Maybe, but ideological education and largest military prevents that." So, you do want ideological driven education, or not. You also said," With power comes the ability for a person to fulfill his/her desires and defend his/herself and create own history." and that might be true, but how are you going to have the future generation of people be smart and successful, if they are all being oppressed. At least in the U.S. most of the citizens have an education to get further in society. And you also said," Government doesn't have to be run by 1 person, even tho hereditary monarchy is preferred over government of self-electing parliament or hereditary parliament." Not everyone has the same ideas and beliefs, so if there is more than one person in charge your so-called structured society, will fall apart. Even with one person in charge, there will be a point where too many people don't agree and then it comes down to the people vs one person. I know this is not very reliable, but the series," The Hunger Games" is a great example of what would happen in a communist country.
Now don't just take this from me, look at the people who have actually lived in North Korea, escaped, and have told their story. Stories of Us — Yeonmi Park: My Terrifying Escape from North Korea - YouTube
The audacity that you have, to say that you would want, and I quote," People should only be given a little power so that their lives arent too horrible. The point of government is not to make you happy. It is to make government as powerful as possible so that it can survive and rule forever. People dont even deserve to be happy. They deserve to be oppressed so that they know their place." and also," Personally, I like the idea of military units being deployed all over the country to collect taxes to sustain themselves and the central government." disgusts me.
You are basically showing your true colors by telling everyone that you're a psychopathic megalomaniac, who wants power and basically agrees with Hitler's ideology. You are telling me all this, in the comfort of your own home and access to technology, and Americas freedom. If you've done anything in this forum, you've just proved my point in saying that people in America are using their privilege to complain about where they are living and wishing to live somewhere else.
And I'm not saying Americas perfect or agreeing with what the government is doing right now. Most of the things that the government is doing now is horrible disgusting and is ruining America, like the push for the LGBTQ+ agenda, all the corruption and coverups, and the stupid economic decisions the Biden administration is making. That is another argument for another time. I'm just trying to prove to you that too many people are complaining and being entitled in America today. Unlike you I'm not calling you stupid dumb, or saying you are weak. I'm pointing out the flaws in your thinking and showing everyone who you really are. I had to cut this in half because I'm not going to waste all my energy on you, and not going to make you read a whole school essay. Trust me you don't want to argue against this. Honestly, people like you scare me because to think that people like you can rise up to power is very terrifying.
I hope you put all this into thought, and I really hope you change your thinking, but I can't force you too, because you are in America, and you can have your own opinion. And that's the right thing to do.
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and your source is a magazine?
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yet you can still see the chromosomes from those plants.
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@Best.Korea
What I'm saying, is that you think that government should be in control, and the whole goal is to keep a strong government, and weak people to keep order.
My opinion is that the people should decide what goes on in their own country, because as long as there are more people than government, if the people aren't happy, they can always revolt.
If people as a majority make decisions, then everyone is happy.
I don't want to be weak and bullied, but I do want to find the best way for everyone to be happy.
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@Best.Korea
Well now this has turned into an opinion, which I do not agree with at all, but I will respect your opinion.
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@K_Michael
And yes, third gender cultures have existed for hundreds of years, but so have other cultures, like Canabals. They still exist, yet you would agree that the majority of people wouldn't agree with them. Just because a culture has existed, doesn't make it the right way to live.
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@K_Michael
I never said social constructs don't exist, I said that how can someone say gender is a social construct, but then also say that people can identify with their preferred gender.
You could say that gender is a social construct, but you could also say that money is a social construct as well. Should we just stop using money? The whole point we created money is to make trade easier. Same with gender. We created gender, so that we can make identifying a biological male as a man, and a biological female as a woman.
Now this doesn't mean people shouldn't have the right to identify as they want to, I think that that would be against the U.S. first amendment, but if someone choses to identify as such, why should everyone else around act as if they are a different person and go against what humans have been believing for thousands of years.
That would be like if someone said they were going to stop using money as currency, and just use items for trade. They could still function in society, but you can't expect everyone to immediately go and switch with them.
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@Best.Korea
So, if the whole point is to just listen to the government, and make them the most powerful, what's the end goal? We defeat our enemy's, and everyone is happy? No, the whole point of this is to point out that yes, the U.S. as of right now is rigging the elections, but that's because activists have given the government too much power. The government isn't perfect, they will do whatever to gain power and money, because theirs evil in everyone. You talk about hating the homosexual education, but guess what, the government takes part in supporting groups like that, because nothing says easy power like supporting the stupid idiots and rigging freedom just to get the majority gone.
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Thats like saying humans have more than two arms just because a small percent of people is born with some extra limbs.
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Ok, the intersex community only makes up for about 1.7 present of the population. And either way if you are intersex, you still have a defining body part or hormone that doctors can use to determine which gender you really are. If someone was actually half girl and half boy, they would have to have the ability to both give birth, and impregnate. Now that is biologically impossible.
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So no, you don't wish you were born in North Korea. Just because you're dealing with addiction, should make you want to move to one of the worst countries in the world. That's my whole point. People are complaining about how their dealing with this and that, but in other country's people are being slaughtered and massacred. Enslaved, starved and beaten, and here we are over here worrying about little minute things.
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And no, North Koreas Military is far less advanced than the U.S. military.
America is the strongest military force on the planet.
We've only had two attacks on our own soil. 9/11 and Pearl Harbor.
We go out to help other countries in need and the only reason we lose, is because are not going to risk the safety of our country to protect another.
North Korea only has about 1.3 million military personnel, while the U.S. military has more than 4 million active military personnel.
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If you are trying to say that North Korea is better than the U.S. than your wrong.
People have gone to North Korea from the U.S. like the Globe Trotters, and they brought cameras with them to record life there.
Their government told them they couldn't record in certain places, and if they did, they could be arrested. Now why would they do that unless they had something to hide.
And no, you don't have any freedom in North Korea. You don't even have control of your own emotions. When Kim-Jong-Il died, they were forced to cry for weeks, and if they didn't cry enough than they would be arrested.
And no one has access to phones, or internet. That statement is a complete lie. There has been a documentary of Americans in a room full of North Korean's, "working on computers" but all of them only had their hands on the keyboard and mouse but none of them except for one man was actually moving their mouse or typing on their keyboards.
The government tried to show the U.S. that their people were very social, but none of them have access to any advanced technology, and they wouldn't know how to work it anyways.
To prove that they do have that access, give me one example of a North Korean who is on the internet, that is a normal civilian.
Also, North Korea is known as a hermit country meaning that no one is allowed in or out.
America isn't perfect with its gay pride agenda, and its many addictions, but at least we get the right to choose.
North Korea kills their own people and hides it from the world.
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I've met a lot of people who think that the USA is one of the worst country's they've ever lived in, and that they would rather live in someplace like Germany or something along those lines.
Why do they have the nerves to say things like that, when they are literally thriving off of the USA's riches.
They complain about leaders being horrible on their social media platforms, yet they are blind to see that the fact they even have social media is a big privilege.
If these types of people leave the country, then they won't be able to complain about the country that they are in like they do here, because the majority of other country's don't have free speech, and if they do its limited free speech.
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I've always been confused about how people think their are more than two genders. I mean they say gender is a social construct, but how can someone identify as a gender and also say gender doesn't exist?
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