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@Tradesecret
Reverend tradesecrete,

It seems pointless to do so - but I am not Stephen. Nor am I am Brother Thomas.  

Would you please stop accusing me of this. It is not true and there is no proof of it anyway. 

Stephen and others so it seems think you and Ethang are the same or share a password.  I have to admit - you both seem very similar. And if you are not the same person - then the similarities are simply astounding. 

Are you ever going to answer my questions or are you just going to continue on like all the other frauds on this thread?

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@BrotherDThomas
Timid8967, the Hell bound Atheist fool,
Hell is a place that the unintelligent believe in. A typical fear mongering tactic by those who have nothing better to discuss. 


Since your posts go as wanting as TRADESECRETS, and you basically have nothing else to do within this esteemed forum accept to make a fool of yourself, like TRADESECRET does as well, then as shown within this forum, I am the ONLY True Christian, duh. 
????? 

Therefore, in proving that my serial killer Jesus, as the Hebrew only Yahweh God incarnate, actually exists is simple.  I need Jesus to exist as God, even when the historical evidence of Jesus the Christ goes severely wanting and logically non existent.  Think, if Jesus didn’t exist in the first place, the whole Bible is all for naught, therefore Jesus has to exist!  Get it?  2+2=4.
So you are saying it is simple to prove God exists.  Should we take your word on it? Or will you be providing evidence? 

So you need Jesus to exist? Excuse me while I puke.   So, let's get this right. You need him to exist but you cannot prove he exists.  Wow! In other words, the Jesus you are talking about is an imaginary friend of yours.  The god you say you are the one true believer in is in your head.  Wow! Now there is an admission.  Given that I think the Bible needs to be thrown out or burnt, then your imagination is altogether ok with me. You have proved only that you are a a creative person. With a vivid imagination.  Not that God exists. 

I as a True Christian, and even pseudo-christians like the ever so dumbfounded of the Bible TRADESECRET and FAUXLAW, all have to unfortunately masturbate our minds to feel good about Jesus actually existing, otherwise our faith is ZERO! Therefore Jesus has to exist to us where we have to run away from all that mumbo jumbo Satanic science stuff, and arguing actual empirical facts that Hell bound Atheists use in showing that Jesus didn’t exist!  We laugh. LOL
It probably ought to be said - that as a confessor of believing in imaginary friends, and gods, that you have ZERO credibility to assure us that you are a True Christian.  In fact, I suspect that pseudo-christian applies very aptly to you.  Tradesecret and Faulaw are dumbfounded if they believe in god the way you do.  I don't have a clue about what you are mean: mastubating your minds.  Whatever does that mean or look like? but if believing in god is just about feeling good- then I am glad I am a non-theist. science is not satanic - satanic is just another made up imaginery thing . 


Therefore, you have my Christian answer that the Christian God Jesus exists as I have shown herein. of which I am sure TRADESECRET and FAUXLAW would agree, otherwise if they didn’t, then these two Bible fools would have to entertain the idea of THEM PROVING THAT JESUS EXISTS!  Whoops! 
I know you think this has answered my question. It does not.  It only raises new questions.  You have only addressed your feelings.  You have not proven god exists. Why is it that every theist - never answers this question? It is impossible to prove that Jesus exists.  You have only confirmed in essence that you are a fake.  


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@Stephen
@BrotherDThomas
This is a post just for you guys. 

Please proceed - with caution.  

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I predict that they will both run away.  
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Stephen - Brother Thomas.  

Both of you are THEISTS. 

please explain to the forum why you believe in God. 

If you can't - then you allow us to conclude that you both are FRAUDS!. 

If you cannot provide the reasons - for the existence of your gods - then you no longer have a place on this forum. 

Brother - you are the ONLY true Christian. 

And Stephen - by your own admission you are a theist - so please without delay. 

Please prove that you are not simply wasting all of our times. 

Prove that God exists! 


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@Stephen
@BrotherDThomas
Running away - Running away - Stephen and Brother are running away. 

Please stop running away and answer the questions.  

Stephen and Brother are theists.  Please answer the questions. 

Please prove that god exists.  

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@Stephen
Running away - Running away - Stephen and Brother are running away. 

Please stop running away and answer the questions.  

Stephen and Brother are theists.  Please answer the questions. 

Please prove that god exists.  

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@Stephen
Can you just please answer the question about god? 

You are a theist.  Yes or no. Is that too hard for you? 

Tell us why you believe in god? Give proof for your belief. 
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@EtrnlVw
 It is not real. Just like god is not real.

You can hold on to the ridiculous assertion that God does not exist, but its all based upon faulty reasoning. So while you parade around the forum claiming it to others who have put the time and thought in, it's not very convincing because you have no real basis to make the claim, at least not a legit one.
There is no need to be churlish.   There is no need to call my opinion ridiculous.  You have your opinion. I would not call your opinion ridiculous.  I am not parading around on this forum.  God does not exist.  I prayed to God and he did not answer.  I told him to put up or shut up. I suggested to God that if he loves me then he should reveal himself to me.  God did not answer me. He did not put up. He did not reveal himself to me. Either God did not hear me or he chose not to answer me or he does not exist.   If God did not hear me, then I suppose he is not omniscient. If God chose not to answer me, then he is very rude. If he does not exist - then his non-response is entirely consistent with not hearing from him.  

To suggest that I have no basis for not believing in god is the reality for me. I don't particularly care that it does not convince you. I have seen no compelling evidence that god exists. 


 Sin is something that some religious people care about.  It is not real. 

Remember we talked about the distinction between God's existence and dogma? religious propositions and God's existence are two separate concerns. So you make a good point here, only your argument is moot.... "Sin is not real because God is not real"....lol
You have no way to determine or prove that God does not exist, so you have no basis to claim anything about the rest of it. 
I remember you talked about this distinction.  And for the sake of our discussion I am prepared to accept that there are two separate concerns.  Nevertheless, unless someone actually believes in god then sin is not something that they will care about.  I have indicated that I do not believe in god.  I have attempted to see if god exists - by what most religious people would consider to be an appropriate medium, prayer. And yet I still have not been convinced.  I think it is disingenuous of you to suggest that I have no basis to make such a claim.   


 yet it is not clear whether you think god is just a force or a cause of the creation.
He used the term Creator, which is pretty clear. 
Perhaps you are correct - yet it seemed the OP posited both cause and creator as possibilities - leaving open a non-clear conclusion. 

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@BrotherDThomas
Brother - you buffoon. 

When are you going to stop running away from my questions - and start to answer them.  you are a theist. You are one the true christian on this site. So you alone on this site - have to prove why God exists.  

Please begin. 


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@BrotherDThomas
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Oh my, another circular reasoning fallacy again as proposed by your wanting post #57, as if I haven't seen them before. :(

Real quick, I understand that since I am a TRUE Christian and follow ALL, I repeat, ALL of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, it is hard for inept pseudo-christians like you to see that what I propose towards Christianity, you have never seen before, therefore I must be a parody of a Christian as an alleged Atheist, NOT! LOL

I have addressed your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY in my post #56, where you had the audacity to state: Dimtim wrote: "do you think god wants us to believe in him?" LOL!!!!! Duh!    Therefore, run along kid, where we easily see that you would be more comfortable at a Children's Christian Religious Forum where your IQ level and Bible ignorance is of theirs. Therefore, here is a link for you to initiate below and become a member, of which, you can thank me later, okay?
Wow! 

I don't know if you can read. Yet it seems painfully obvious that you struggle.  I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. I am not religious.  I do not pretend to know the bible. I call Stephen to account because of his stupidity.  And Stephen is stupid. He thinks I am Ethang. He thinks I am tradesecret. He thinks I am PGA.20. He thinks I am fauxlaw. Why? 

Because I dared to question him.  I dared to say that I thought he just imports stuff into the bible.  Yet he is wrong. I have denied it on numerous occasions.  Stephen is delusional.  I think - he just sees ghosts everywhere - anyone who questions his naivety. 

As for you addressing anything - you are an even bigger fool than Stephen. He does not know whether he is theist or atheist. You are a theist pretending to be a Christian. And for the most part that is quite funny.  

Yet don't accuse me of something that is not true.    As for god. he does not exist - so cannot expect us to believe in him.  god is a figment of stephen's delusional mind.  he has not once given any proof that any god exists.  not once. He just sits back and demands that everyone else do his work for him. He is the worst kind of fool and lazy and foul as well. 

STILL RUNNING!!!! Perhaps the others are all right about you and your dancing shoes.  Brother - run away as fast as I can - Thomas. 

Are you a man or a mouse.  Come Mr Theist.  Please answer the questions and stop running like the coward you are.  
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@Stephen
... the desperate and needy theist! 

Woman prays for her dead sister and she comes back with a revelation, saying  ` Jesus is in love with me`.
It is such as shame, but as usual this miraculous revelation was revealed and  told by a practicing Christian on the Christian Broadcasting Network, which to my mind contradicts the whole point of the lost sheep.

7 minute clip
But YOU are the theist.  So you are ACTUALLY talking about yourself. 

When are you going to prove god to us? Even though you can't prove it. 

Which is even more amusing.  Since if you can't prove - it means you must hold to it in FAITH. 

So if not evidence, or fact, then faith - so you are a believer.  OH yes and a liar.  since "I am not a believer"  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1985/post-links/86718

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@BrotherDThomas
Oh my, another circular reasoning fallacy again as proposed by your wanting post #57, as if I haven't seen them before. :(

Real quick, I understand that since I am a TRUE Christian and follow ALL, I repeat, ALL of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, it is hard for inept pseudo-christians like you to see that what I propose towards Christianity, you have never seen before, therefore I must be a parody of a Christian as an alleged Atheist, NOT! LOL

I have addressed your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY in my post #56, where you had the audacity to state: Dimtim wrote: "do you think god wants us to believe in him?" LOL!!!!! Duh!    Therefore, run along kid, where we easily see that you would be more comfortable at a Children's Christian Religious Forum where your IQ level and Bible ignorance is of theirs. Therefore, here is a link for you to initiate below and become a member, of which, you can thank me later, okay?
Wow! 

I don't know if you can read. Yet it seems painfully obvious that you struggle.  I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. I am not religious.  I do not pretend to know the bible. I call Stephen to account because of his stupidity.  And Stephen is stupid. He thinks I am Ethang. He thinks I am tradesecret. He thinks I am PGA.20. He thinks I am fauxlaw. Why? 

Because I dared to question him.  I dared to say that I thought he just imports stuff into the bible.  Yet he is wrong. I have denied it on numerous occasions.  Stephen is delusional.  I think - he just sees ghosts everywhere - anyone who questions his naivety. 

As for you addressing anything - you are an even bigger fool than Stephen. He does not know whether he is theist or atheist. You are a theist pretending to be a Christian. And for the most part that is quite funny.  

Yet don't accuse me of something that is not true.    As for god. he does not exist - so cannot expect us to believe in him.  god is a figment of stephen's delusional mind.  he has not once given any proof that any god exists.  not once. He just sits back and demands that everyone else do his work for him. He is the worst kind of fool and lazy and foul as well. 

STILL RUNNING!!!! Perhaps the others are all right about you and your dancing shoes.  Brother - run away as fast as I can - Thomas. 

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@Stephen
Stevie theist, how are you doing chump? 

For someone who says that they are agree with me, these words say the opposite.

In fact you say the bible is worth keeping and worth being read. That is the opposite of what I said.

I am pretty sure Jesus is made up. But you believe he existed.  So you don't think he is a myth. 

You say on one hand Christianity is dangerous and yet you have never been given a reason to fear it.  Another outstanding lie. In fact you almost admire them.  It is the book you don't agree with.  So how can you say on one hand - they are dangerous - yet state they have been dragged into the 21st century, that you admire them, and yet think they are dangerous? You are such a mish mash of contradictions.  

You do believe in a god or gods.  To such a point you could not call yourself an atheist.  In fact you call yourself a theist.  Prove god exists. this is the question you keep running away from.  And let's read all of the wonderful positive things you say about the bible and christianity.  






  • No. I think you mean, Christians, can become dangerous. And you would be absolutely correct. But not on the instruction of their leader The Christ. He teaches turn the other cheek, love your neighbor, give away your sock, shoes, coat hat and scarf, your house, live stock all the rest your belongings. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1510/post-links/64148

  • I have. And I have a much better understanding of these scriptures than you ever will.
  • It may interest you to know that I actually believe large percentage of what that is written in these scriptures, I take them as historical. I believe many of the events happened and I believe all these characters existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1555/post-links/68097



  • I do admit above that:  I don't hate or fear Christianity in the slightest and I haven't been given the slightest no reason to. And I have said on many occasions that I believe that  these very  much flesh and blood "gods " actually existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1609/post-links/68424






  • He did say  many things. But what he didn't say was go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him or his disciples or refuses become Christian. Unless you are going to show us all where he does actually say such things. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72195

  • But if you are going to rely on, as evidence what people DIDN'T say, then I will remember that for any future conversation. That said, You are correct he didn't tell anyone to not go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him. So they must have done it of their own free will. The very point of this thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72222








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@Stephen

I have never demanded anyone believe me. I personally don't give two fks either way? And I have admitted many times that I cannot prove many of my beliefs , theories and or ideas .
Of course you do, or you would not get so precious about people dismissing your views.  And even in some circumstances - detailing their excuses for not believing you. 

You want people to believe your concocted stories which have no evidence to support them.  This is how you live your life.  And to say you don't care is nonsense.  
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@Stephen
Dimtim said:  "Let me be clear. Theists have the burden of proof. I cannot recall ever saying otherwise.  And I don't recall thinking otherwise either.  #61

Can you read? Theists have the burden of proof.   

 I can read and I agree with you again.  I believe quite the same as you do.
no you don't.  you are not an athiest. You have said it enough times 


Just like you I agree the bible is mess of  confusing and contradictions.  #186
Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be mythical. #16
Just like you I too  believe history shows how dangerous Christianity has been.  #153
Just like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse came back to life again. #101
Just like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural powers #274
Just like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs even today#141
Just like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I agree that Theists have the burden of proof. .  #61



You are entitled to believe what you will about me princess; BUT; 
You won't find anything pro bible scripture from me , no matter how long you have to trawled my massive back catalogue anti scripture material or for material to plagiarise.. 
True, I can choose to believe the words that you wrote - words you don't regret. Words which incidentally prove you are a liar.  And your words express very clearly that you like the bible, that you don't hate Christianity and that don't believe that based on the NT that any christian could be dangerous.  You are unbelievable. Clearly a theist - again prove that god exists. 





  • No. I think you mean, Christians, can become dangerous. And you would be absolutely correct. But not on the instruction of their leader The Christ. He teaches turn the other cheek, love your neighbor, give away your sock, shoes, coat hat and scarf, your house, live stock all the rest your belongings. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1510/post-links/64148

  • I have. And I have a much better understanding of these scriptures than you ever will.
  • It may interest you to know that I actually believe large percentage of what that is written in these scriptures, I take them as historical. I believe many of the events happened and I believe all these characters existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1555/post-links/68097



  • I do admit above that:  I don't hate or fear Christianity in the slightest and I haven't been given the slightest no reason to. And I have said on many occasions that I believe that  these very  much flesh and blood "gods " actually existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1609/post-links/68424






  • He did say  many things. But what he didn't say was go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him or his disciples or refuses become Christian. Unless you are going to show us all where he does actually say such things. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72195

  • But if you are going to rely on, as evidence what people DIDN'T say, then I will remember that for any future conversation. That said, You are correct he didn't tell anyone to not go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him. So they must have done it of their own free will. The very point of this thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72222








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@Wylted
God does care about you. He has given you free will and you are responsible for what happens in your life.

We all suffer sadolite. God did not put you here to live a happy life or even to avoid being genocided. 
how can god care about us, if god does not exist.  On the other hand, if hypothetically god did exist, how would you know he cares for you? Isn't suffering proof that god does not care for us? if god did not put us to live a happy life or to avoid being genocided, why do you think god put us here? 

Freewill is a myth.  Everything is determined.  Cause and effect. 
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@sadolite
Is it a sin to believe god doesn't control outcome? I believe the universe and everything in it was created by an intelligent force, those who believe in creation call that force God. I see 0 evidence that god controls outcome for anyone or anything. I do not wish to debate gods existence. You either believe of a creators existence or you don't. I seriously doubt god cares about my stupid petty first world problems and why would he? God doesn't even care about mass genocide. Yep, I believe in the creator but I don't believe the creator controls outcome of anything other than his initial creation of everything. God already knows the outcome based on the inherent chance of probability and chaos of his creation. That some things will do this and some things will do that, some things will be effected by this and some things will be effected by that, and all things that exists will be effected by something based on where they are and the moment in time that they are there. 
Why would it be a sin if god does not control outcomes? Sin is something that some religious people care about.  It is not real. Just like god is not real.  Why are you worried about whether it is a sin? Your post seems to suggest that you hold to a theistic position, yet it is not clear whether you think god is just a force or a cause of the creation. 

In  my opinion, don't stress to much about sin.  It's unhealthy and will probably only lead to gout and losing your hair. 
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@Stephen
Dimtim said:  "Let me be clear. Theists have the burden of proof. I cannot recall ever saying otherwise.  And I don't recall thinking otherwise either.  #61

Can you read? Theists have the burden of proof.   

 I can read and I agree with you again.  I believe quite the same as you do.
no you don't.  you are not an athiest. You have said it enough times 


Just like you I agree the bible is mess of  confusing and contradictions.  #186
Just like you I too believe the New Testament Jesus story to be mythical. #16
Just like you I too  believe history shows how dangerous Christianity has been.  #153
Just like you I don't believe a dead rotting and stink days old corpse came back to life again. #101
Just like you I don't believe in a person/god with supernatural powers #274
Just like you I agree that there is a weirdness to the christian beliefs even today#141
Just like you I agree that the story of Noah's flood simply doesn't stand up to the lightest of scrutiny #14
Just like you I agree that Theists have the burden of proof. .  #61



You are entitled to believe what you will about me princess; BUT; 
You won't find anything pro bible scripture from me , no matter how long you have to trawled my massive back catalogue anti scripture material or for material to plagiarise.. 
True, I can choose to believe the words that you wrote - words you don't regret. Words which incidentally prove you are a liar.  And your words express very clearly that you like the bible, that you don't hate Christianity and that don't believe that based on the NT that any christian could be dangerous.  You are unbelievable. Clearly a theist - again prove that god exists. 





  • No. I think you mean, Christians, can become dangerous. And you would be absolutely correct. But not on the instruction of their leader The Christ. He teaches turn the other cheek, love your neighbor, give away your sock, shoes, coat hat and scarf, your house, live stock all the rest your belongings. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1510/post-links/64148

  • I have. And I have a much better understanding of these scriptures than you ever will.
  • It may interest you to know that I actually believe large percentage of what that is written in these scriptures, I take them as historical. I believe many of the events happened and I believe all these characters existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1555/post-links/68097



  • I do admit above that:  I don't hate or fear Christianity in the slightest and I haven't been given the slightest no reason to. And I have said on many occasions that I believe that  these very  much flesh and blood "gods " actually existed. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1609/post-links/68424






  • He did say  many things. But what he didn't say was go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him or his disciples or refuses become Christian. Unless you are going to show us all where he does actually say such things. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72195

  • But if you are going to rely on, as evidence what people DIDN'T say, then I will remember that for any future conversation. That said, You are correct he didn't tell anyone to not go out into the world and kill anyone who refuses to believe in him. So they must have done it of their own free will. The very point of this thread. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/1679/post-links/72222











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@Stephen
So why should we believe anything you say? You are clearly a fraud.  It was addressed to the Brother. Not by name but by content.  

You answered - coincidence - hardly. It happens so often it certainly must be suspicious.   Freudian slips were mentioned previously by someone. 

It seems the log in your eye is stopping you from seeing clearly.  Perhaps it is time you took it out and stopped making a fool of yourself. 

I am not tradesecret.  If you believe I am, make your complaint.  Tradesecret like you is a theist.  Both of you avoid answering the simple question of your position - of why you are a theist - and the evidence you must believe to believe in god. 




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@Stephen
So let me repeat what I said according to you:

"Let me be clear. Theists have the burden of proof. I cannot recall ever saying otherwise.  And I don't recall thinking otherwise either.  #61

Can you read? Theists have the burden of proof.   You, dear Stephen are the theist.  You have denied you are an atheist.  Or have you forgotten.


So Mr Theist, please prove that god exists. 

Stop running away.  
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@BrotherDThomas
As the ONLY True Christian upon this forum, that accepts ALL OF THE JUDEO-Christian Bible, I have learned to accept that Jesus, as the serial killer Yahweh God incarnate, knew beforehand that He was going to kill His creation in horrific drowning ways in the enactment of His Great Flood because of His godly omniscience, including innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies. :(
Given you are the only true christian, you alone should be able to answer this question.  Prove the existence of God.  Or will you run away again? 
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@Stephen
You haven't read the Bible carefully have you? While in that specific passage there's no mention of Ham, there is an explicit mention of Canaan in the following verses. Who is Canaan?
I guess he is not the only one who has noticed.  
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@Stephen
Of course you didn't see your name on that list. You are not an atheist, are you? You are a theist. So please prove to us why God exists. Stop running away from the question. 
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@Stephen
bible doesnt mention transgender or homosexuality.

Is that why there are multiple threads on the religion forum calling out that which god says about homosexuality and the punishment he has ordered for such practices?

Leviticus 18:22 -   Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 -   If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 

bible doesnt mention transgender or homosexuality.

 It helps if you read the thing before posting throwaway comments about that which you know nothing about.

Another wonderful example of where Stephen answers for the Brother.  Are you sure you don't share a password?
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@Stephen
Please don't run away from my question Mr I am a theist.  Please prove that god or gods exist. Or prove me right by running away and not answering the question. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/275404
4 days since this was posted.  Another example of Stephen running away.  

Still waiting. 

Begin when you are ready:

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@BrotherDThomas
FOR THE SECOND TIME SUBSEQUENT TO POST #61 BEING THE FIRST TIME WHERE YOU DID NOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:  Are you saying that Jesus and Allah are different gods, or that Jesus and Allah are the same god along with the Hebrew Yahweh god as well?  

Now, if you need help in answering this very simple question, then ask one of your equally Hell bound Muslims, okay?

BDT - amazing as your foolishness is - let me remind you - "THERE ARE NO GODS"!   Can you read? Gods are a figment of little tiny brains. God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs  Asking Yassine whether Jesus and Allah are different or the same is almost the funniest thing I have read today.  Mind you I asked a similar question a while ago - not in relation to Jesus - but to the Jewish God. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6132/post-links/265651.  No one really answered that question satisfactorily. Lots of opinions though. 

Jesus was not born until the 1st Century. Date of birth of Jesus - Wikipedia If that is true, which many people doubt, he was only a man, unless gods can be born. But likely, he is a myth.  In either event, the Muslims would probably see Allah more in the line with the Jewish god.  You do realize Brother, Mr Religious man, that Muslims do not believe in your trinitarian god. Muslims do happen to believe that Abraham's god is there god. But unless you can't figure it out, Jesus came a heck of a time later.  So it would be impossible for Muslims to believe Jesus is Allah.  Muslims Believe in One God - Allah - Islam Faith

Muslims do believe Jesus is the messiah.  And a prophet.  Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia I think they are wrong on many counts. Firstly, however, would be the fact that prophets tell the future. This implies a supernatural understanding of the world - including a deterministic position. It is impossible to tell the future unless it is fixed already.  This also implies a god.  Yet, since there is no god, there is no supernaturalism, therefore no prophets. God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs So if Jesus did live - which is unlikely, then he could not have been a prophet. And therefore the Muslims are incorrect. 

You on the other hand believe in god. Please prove that god exists. It is for the theist to prove that god exists.  When you are ready, please begin:

Unless of course - you are a charade and making it all up.  Or unless you are going to run away from me.  You are not going to run away from this question are you? Stephen has already done that.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/275404  and https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/276000.  

Both of you are atheists pretending to be theists.  What a coincidence! Or is it? Both of you must realize the burden of proof on you is to prove that god exists. Please man up. If you are a man of course.  Begin - the whole forum is waiting for you. 

Waiting. 

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@Lemming
Thanks Lemming,

that makes lots of good sense.  I am sorry I made you have to think about these things. But I appreciate it. 

And it is good advise about Stephen and Brother Thomas.  I will try and heed what you say.  I wish I was as patient and tolerant as you. 

Unfortunately sometimes my patience wears thin as does my tolerance. 


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@Lemming
I don't 'know, who or what, BrotherDThomas is.
Though I 'vaguely know what he self proclaims.
I say 'vaguely, because I don't may much mind to people I find incoherent, abusive, insulting.
Ok. I am pleased to see others see his abuse and insults as well.  Yet, I don't understand why they don't call out his charade. 


"Robe and a necktie" - Timid8967
What robe and necktie?
Look at his avatar.  I did again and guess what I see just a coat jacket. I must've be seeing things.  Sorry. I think it is just his abrasive and overbearing manner that reminded me of every catholic priest I have ever met. But concede that I have overstated his clothing and therefore authority. 

I won't accept that there is no true scotsman. - Timid8967
There are criminals of every nation, doesn't mean every nation is naught but criminals.
True. But surely you would agree that some christian somewhere is a representative of christianity? Why can't the brother be that paradigm example?


The god of Christianity is evil and brother is a perfect example of the god he follows.  - Timid8967
Shall I judge Islam by suicide bombers, child IEDs, Female genital mutilation in India - Wikipedia, so on so forth?
If not so, then how so? If the brother is putting himself out there as the only true christian on this site, surely he must be representative of some form of christianity. I think that if brother is a christian he is a good reason not be to be one and to think that christians are evil. 

All Atheists by the French's 'Reason and Reign of Terror, Stalin and his repression?
But athiests are a dime a dozen.  They all have different views - there one common denominator is a disbelief in god. christians purport that they all believe the same thing because they all follow the same book and same god. 

I disagree with the idea of BrotherDThomas representing all Christians of their religion.
Why? What part of Christianity does he not represent?


I don't view Stephen/Willows | Debate.org, I 'think he's Willows | Debate.org, as well.
But anyway, I don't view that guy as a representative of all atheists 'either.
I don't even spare him 'much mind, as I find his arguments unworthy of consideration, or 'attention.
Are you suggesting that stephen is willows? That is funny.  I have heard about willows but never had anything to do with him. Stephen says he is not an atheist. he says he is a theist.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/273900  Actually he looks quite confused. And his response is so defensive - he might actually believe it. I would encourage you to read his words.  


Wylted, going on and on about Jews, 'also unworthy of being representative of all Christian's in my mind.
I don't know much about wylted. Is he a christian too? Oh yes, I saw his racist thread.  And isn't this just the point - there does not seem to be too many good christians on this site. ethang is not around. PGA2.0 seems to have disapeared.  tradesecret seems to be a stirrer.  

If there were better examples - then perhaps I might take a different view. 




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@Lemming
I disagree with BrotherDThomas, being proof of Christianity's 'supposed evil.

Individuals of many beliefs exist, good and bad.

Times of regions of beliefs, good and bad, exist.
BrotherDThomas is a christian, isn't he? Not only a christian but a leader - self proclaimed bus evangelist according to his page.  

He wears a robe and a necktie confirming his religion. Surely he is the paradigm example of a true christian.  I have read many times his damnation of all other alleged christians, like ethang, pga.o, tradesertc, etc.  

And what he writes is pretty compelling.  He quotes the bible in the OT and in the NT.  the god of christianity is evil and brother is a perfect example of the god he follows.    He is simply being consistent - a good virtue if ever there was one.  Of course - I am asking him to prove god exists - he keeps running away from that question.  

I won't accept that there is no true scotsman.  Brother is an admitted christian leader.  He must produce evidence that his god exists. Or he must admit his charade. 
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@BrotherDThomas
FOR THE SECOND TIME SUBSEQUENT TO POST #61 BEING THE FIRST TIME WHERE YOU DID NOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:  Are you saying that Jesus and Allah are different gods, or that Jesus and Allah are the same god along with the Hebrew Yahweh god as well?  

Now, if you need help in answering this very simple question, then ask one of your equally Hell bound Muslims, okay?

BDT - amazing as your foolishness is - let me remind you - "THERE ARE NO GODS"!   Can you read? Gods are a figment of little tiny brains. God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs  Asking Yassine whether Jesus and Allah are different or the same is almost the funniest thing I have read today.  Mind you I asked a similar question a while ago - not in relation to Jesus - but to the Jewish God. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6132/post-links/265651.  No one really answered that question satisfactorily. Lots of opinions though. 

Jesus was not born until the 1st Century. Date of birth of Jesus - Wikipedia If that is true, which many people doubt, he was only a man, unless gods can be born. But likely, he is a myth.  In either event, the Muslims would probably see Allah more in the line with the Jewish god.  You do realize Brother, Mr Religious man, that Muslims do not believe in your trinitarian god. Muslims do happen to believe that Abraham's god is there god. But unless you can't figure it out, Jesus came a heck of a time later.  So it would be impossible for Muslims to believe Jesus is Allah.  Muslims Believe in One God - Allah - Islam Faith

Muslims do believe Jesus is the messiah.  And a prophet.  Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia I think they are wrong on many counts. Firstly, however, would be the fact that prophets tell the future. This implies a supernatural understanding of the world - including a deterministic position. It is impossible to tell the future unless it is fixed already.  This also implies a god.  Yet, since there is no god, there is no supernaturalism, therefore no prophets. God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs So if Jesus did live - which is unlikely, then he could not have been a prophet. And therefore the Muslims are incorrect. 

You on the other hand believe in god. Please prove that god exists. It is for the theist to prove that god exists.  When you are ready, please begin:

Unless of course - you are a charade and making it all up.  Or unless you are going to run away from me.  You are not going to run away from this question are you? Stephen has already done that.  https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/275404  and https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/276000.  

Both of you are atheists pretending to be theists.  What a coincidence! Or is it? Both of you must realize the burden of proof on you is to prove that god exists. Please man up. If you are a man of course.  Begin - the whole forum is waiting for you. 
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@BrotherDThomas
Islam is not as bad as Christianity.  

Christianity is a story that has warped people's brains and minds and families. 

Look at you. You are the biggest proof that Christianity is evil and needs to be wiped of the face of the planet.  

Islam is a religion of peace.  You simply regurgitate second hand information as though it is truth.  

And you interpret it through the lens of a 21st century person.  

Yassine has destroyed you so many times.  He is a much better soldier of rhetoric than you. 

Little wonder that Islam is a faster growing religion than your pathetic one.  

So keep running - all the way back to your little hamlet where you can play with your pet pigs.  


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@Stephen
Please don't run away from my question Mr I am a theist.  Please prove that god or gods exist. Or prove me right by running away and not answering the question. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6355/post-links/275404
3 days since this was posted.  Another example of Stephen running away.  

Still waiting. 

Begin when you are ready:


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@Tradesecret
This is not hard to disagree with in the scheme of things.  

There are many religions and people who have used this so called Golden Rule.  

The Golden Rule is the principle of treating others as one wants to be treated. It is a maxim that is found in most religions and cultures. Golden Rule - Wikipedia

Differentiating on the basis of negative and positivity reads to much into it.  

Jesus is not unique in his perspective.  

Lots of other religions have positive treatments. See the Bahais for instance. 

The writings of the Baháʼí Faith encourage everyone to treat others as they would treat themselves and even prefer others over oneself:
O SON OF MAN! Deny not My servant should he ask anything from thee, for his face is My face; be then abashed before Me.
Blessed is he who preferreth his brother before himself.
— Bahá'u'lláh[54][55]
And if thine eyes be turned towards justice, choose thou for thy neighbour that which thou choosest for thyself.
— Bahá'u'lláh[56][57]

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@Stephen
I know who I am more so than you.  "Mr I am not an atheist - I am an atheist."

I do not share a password with anyone.  I have never had any communication whatsoever with Ethang. I have no idea who he is or where he comes from. He was not on this site when I started.  He is not here now.  From what you and Brother Thomas seem to indicate, he is similar to tradesecret. But I would not know I have never looked him up.  I assume from you that he is a theist.  Please read my following words: I am not a theist.  I am a non-theist.  I have always maintained this - unlike you who does not seem to know what you are.  Please prove that god/s exists. I predict that you will evade this question and run away.  Why? Because you are a fraud.  

Nor am I tradesecret. Unlike Ethang, I have communicated with trade.  He has for the most part been reasonably civil.  He, like PGA is much smarter than me.  So I do take it as compliment that you think I am him or her or whatever it is.    Yet,  both are smarter and so is fauxlaw than either you or brother tomas.  PGA is very articulate - he very much showed you up.  You ran away constantly from him.  He also treated me with civility. As has fauxlaw. Gee almost every one has - except the two biggest frauds on this site - Stephen and Brother.  Is that why you both are called trolls?

Yet trade is a theist. He is like you. You are both theists.  I am not.  

So thanks again for hijacking my thread - and making me play your game.  

Please don't run away from my question Mr I am a theist.  Please prove that god or gods exist. Or prove me right by running away and not answering the question. 




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@Stephen
Thanks for putting those quotes up.  

It is good for me to remember who I am and what I said.  

You lie in so many threads that a bit of truth is good.  
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@BrotherDThomas
WHAT PART OF STEPHENS QUOTE TO YOU DIDN'T YOU UNDERSTAND?: "I do not advise you to start to derail another members thread by creating another argument with me."

To save yourself further embarrassment at DEBATEART, like the MARKWEBBERFAN stepped in at post #31, STAY OUT of my thread, and take your child-like demeanor to a Children's Christian forum like I told you to do, understood?
Stephen talks in riddles. I think the best way to understand Stephen is to read what he says - and then conclude that he wants you to do the opposite. 

This makes sense too - because he is a theist pretending he an atheist. Whereas you are an atheist pretending to be theist.  Both of you need to come out of the closet.  

And you do not get to tell people to stay out of topics.  And if you were to do so nicely, it might be different. But if like Stephen you are really just meaning the opposite of what you say - then I guess it is "welcome Timid".  

There is no Hell. There is no God. You are not only a fake Christian, you are a fake person seeking to lead people into ignorance.  Muslims have problems - but so do you.  I would rather sit at the table with a Muslim that you.  You are the dangerous one. With Muslims you get what they give you. With you - ?????
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@BrotherDThomas
Oh my, another circular reasoning fallacy again as proposed by your wanting post #57, as if I haven't seen them before. :(

Real quick, I understand that since I am a TRUE Christian and follow ALL, I repeat, ALL of the JUDEO-Christian Bible, it is hard for inept pseudo-christians like you to see that what I propose towards Christianity, you have never seen before, therefore I must be a parody of a Christian as an alleged Atheist, NOT! LOL

I have addressed your outright BIBLE STUPIDITY in my post #56, where you had the audacity to state: Dimtim wrote: "do you think god wants us to believe in him?" LOL!!!!! Duh!    Therefore, run along kid, where we easily see that you would be more comfortable at a Children's Christian Religious Forum where your IQ level and Bible ignorance is of theirs. Therefore, here is a link for you to initiate below and become a member, of which, you can thank me later, okay?
Wow! 

I don't know if you can read. Yet it seems painfully obvious that you struggle.  I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN. I am not religious.  I do not pretend to know the bible. I call Stephen to account because of his stupidity.  And Stephen is stupid. He thinks I am Ethang. He thinks I am tradesecret. He thinks I am PGA.20. He thinks I am fauxlaw. Why? 

Because I dared to question him.  I dared to say that I thought he just imports stuff into the bible.  Yet he is wrong. I have denied it on numerous occasions.  Stephen is delusional.  I think - he just sees ghosts everywhere - anyone who questions his naivety. 

As for you addressing anything - you are an even bigger fool than Stephen. He does not know whether he is theist or atheist. You are a theist pretending to be a Christian. And for the most part that is quite funny.  

Yet don't accuse me of something that is not true.    As for god. he does not exist - so cannot expect us to believe in him.  god is a figment of stephen's delusional mind.  he has not once given any proof that any god exists.  not once. He just sits back and demands that everyone else do his work for him. He is the worst kind of fool and lazy and foul as well. 
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@Stephen
Why do you often answer on behalf of the Brother



I don't.  With the Brother knowing these unreliable scriptures inside out, the Brother is quite capable of handling himself adequately.  If you ask me anything referring to the Brother. I will respond. Even if it boils down to speaking in his support and not yours.

IF YOU HAVE NOHING TO ADD TO THE  THREAD CONCERNING THE TREAMENT OF MUSLIM WOMEN AND BABIES.

I do not advise you to start to derail another members thread by creating another argument with me. 

You are so daft - you contradict yourself EVEN in this piece of writing. 

"I don't".

and yet 

"I will respond" and also 

"if you have nothing to add"  

What part of that does not scream out hypocrisy. Either you are delusional or you cannot read.  






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@BrotherDThomas
Brother,

unlike you I am not afraid to identify my non-faith.   It seems you need to come out of the closet.   Stop pretending to be something you are not. You don't need to be ashamed to be an atheist.  Embrace it.  Stop purporting to be something you are not.  

I am non-theist.  This means I do not have a faith in any  religion.  I say Come and join us.  We are the ones who have something to offer this world.  Stephen in his delusional theistic position wants to pretend that those without faith don't have anything to offer. Well he as a theist does not get the right to say that.  He is a theist but pretends for some reason that this puts the burden of proof on him as a theist. Yet ironically is fearful of ever actually putting forward his burden.  He really is a strange and inconsistent one.  Like you, I think he needs to man up - and come out of the closet.  After all we do live in the 21st century and no one has to stay locked into their traditions anymore.  

I don't pretend to be an expert on the bible - as Stephen rightly likes to remind us - I have only read the bible once from cover to cover.  He is the theist not me.  And his intention to ridicule continues to blindside him.  After all, he is the theist not me.  And like all theists he is full of bull sh@$.  A bit like you. 

Yet, whereas Stephen is quite content to remain swimming in his own mess - you don't have to do so.  Come on Brother,  come out of the closet and embrace the truth.  Stephen and tradesecret and fauxlaw and pga.2 are all theists.  They are all living in delusional beliefs that they are correct.  But you Brother - even as your charade reveals - are closer to the truth - so come out of the closet - come and join those of us who have rejected theism and embraced the reality of life. 
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@Bones
Why? What is wrong with a wife obeying her husband or say a husband obeying their wives? 

Is it any more wrong that citizens obey your governments?  Is it any more more than students obey your teachers? 

Is it any more wrong for children to obey their parents? 


Surely, if what the person asking to be obeyed is doing the right thing for the right reasons, this should not be a problem? 

For instance, the Brother keeps demanding others - to obey him.  And he demands answers - or else the person choosing not to answer is considered a coward and to run away.  What is worse? A person on the internet demanding people to obey him or a husband or wife asking their spouse to obey them? 

Or if the government demands that I wear a mask or get fined or even go to prison - is that better than a husband demanding his wife to make him a cup of tea? Or the wife demanding the husband to make a fire?  
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Why do you often answer on behalf of the Brother or take offence when others comment about him? Is this another freudian slip?

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@Stephen
 The Brother is clearly on topic in that he responded to me concerning your own denial of everything the bible says in those quotes THAT I POSTED at post #1
on  the one hand,  whilst on the other, you "wish me to be more agreeable with the bible", which I am not.
You are just to far too blind and ignorant to see your own contradictory comments.
My statements are not as contradictory as your statements.  Mr I am not an atheist but I am an atheist.  You don't know whether you are Arthur or Martha. 


[A] Here>>   " you present an intriguing thesis.I just wish it would be clearer. More defined. More easily agreeable with the bible." #25 ? And the hole you dug that day, has simply grown into the fkn great crater that is is now. 
I have explained why you need to be more agreeable to the bible.  Notice that is not the same thing as saying you need to agree with the bible. I don't care whether you agree or not with the bible. That is a matter for your theistic position, not mine.  And as for a hole, you really have no clue.  You just refuse to accept my explanation and so I refuse to accept any explanation you make. I will simply quote you for the hypocrite you are. 


[B] Your tale about speculation. I haven't had to speculate above at all.  And you appear so, so, desperate to defend everything that you believe to be a myth. Or have you also forgotten this comment>>
Your entire argument is speculative. You have done nothing to prove your case. And how do we know that - because you have said many times - that you are not trying to prove anything except EVERYTHING you continue to try and prove.  Above you did not prove an inconsistency and you did not prove a contradiction. Youi only proved that you CANNOT READ. And that you can speculate.  But the verses did not agree with you. 

[C] "It my subjective position that evolution proves god is a myth. [..................] then obviously he does not exist".  #11 "and wish the "myth to be cancelled"#18

and you are   also forgetting this too>> 
What have I forgotten?   I do take evolution to be true. I do think that God is a nonsense.  and that God does not exist.  You seem to think that this means that I should stop joining in the conservation.  Why? What are you scared of? Being exposed again and again as a fraud. I speak as the only non-theist on this site who is prepared to call you a fraud. 


[D]" I don't believe that goldilocks is real either but I can attempt to speculate about the prince that saves her or the type of hair she has". #9
 NOT IF THE STORY TELLS YOU THE "TYPE HER HAIR" she had  you can't. THAT is how fkn dense you are.

But you must believe Goldilocks is true because you have read the book and .....????? You are such an idiot it is hard not to laugh at you. 

I am not the dense one. You prove your thickness time and time again - Mr I am an atheist - I am not an atheist. 


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@Stephen
I know you are a fraud.  This is why I will challenge you.  You are a theist.  You are not an atheist.  Perhaps you are a member of the LDS? You seem to have similar views. 
 Opinion and please stay on topic

You are a fraud and it is not opinion.   I am on topic.  I simply followed on from your post "But I will say it again. I find it awful strange that I would be challenged at all on my opinions and beliefs about the unreliability of the scriptures by someone who has proclaimed from the roof-tops that he is anti religion everything!!? Don't you, Brother D?" https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/6388/post-links/274866 

If you don't think it is on topic, why are you not calling Brother on this? Hypocrite!


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@Stephen
The apparently "flawless" bible said , unless Jonah was praying while stone cold dead and rotting in the gut of this "huge fish"..  The same book that you claim to have only read once and dismissed as "myth". 

Do you not believe that Jonah was swallowed by a "huge fish" then, dimtim?
According to the story book of Jonah, Jonah was swallowed by a fish.  This has nothing to do with what I believe.  Although I do believe the book says Jonah was swallowed by a fish.  You do realize that I will only ever have read the book once in my life - from cover to cover.  I don't know that this means I am not able to look at it at other times.  This is not inconsistent with me maintaining it is a mythological book. I have never said the book was flawless.  

but even if he was alive, nowhere in the passage does it say Jonah was dead.

 I know. That is why I highlighted the BIBLICAL fact that in comparison to Jesus supposedly being dead makes no sense, does it , dimtim? But maybe it would if Jesus was alive in his tomb as Jonah was in the "huge fish"? 
But this is where you add stuff in and make stuff up.   You are the one conjecturing about whether Jesus or Jonah was dead or alive. Having just read Jonah again, I think it is quite plausible that poetically Jonah was dead.  In fact the language seems quite clear.  I think to make the jump of logic that this was the point of Jesus referring to Jonah is unreasonable.  In any event, the gospel narratives say Jesus was dead. So in fact you are jumping to false conclusions. 

Are you adding words again Stephen. Surely not! 
 Nope. 
Yes. 

Can you explain why this story of Jonah - whether he was alive or not tells us anything about whether Jesus was dead or alive?

Can you explain why Jesus himself referenced and compared  HIMSELF  to Jonah who being clearly alive, to the biblical fact that Jesus is said to  be dead in his tomb for three days: Of course you can't. 

here's the verse read it slow, dimtim.

Matthew 12:40
" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
You see, Jesus mentions nothing of himself being dead either,does he? In fact, Jesus is indicating that he will be very much alive as Jonah clearly was.
True, in that verse Jesus only makes the comment that the Son of Man (I assume he is talking about himself) would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights.  If the heart of the earth is talking about a tomb, which the gospels conclude is the case, the notion that Jesus might be dead makes sense.  Is Jesus making the observation that his time in the earth is the same as Jonah in the whale?  The gospels say Jesus died on the cross. And that he was buried in a tomb.  I am not sure how these two verses contradict each other.  I disagree with you that Jesus is indicating he will be very much alive. You just have not proved that. You at the most have only indicated possibly depending upon how Jonah is to be interpreted, that Jesus is comparing his journey with Jonah's.  You cannot make an argument from silence and suggest the opposite of what the gospels themselves are saying. That is just bad logic. And dodgy reading.  


I Prove it. 

 I have done so above, you clown.
Sorry. You have not proved it.  

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@Stephen
I know you are a fraud.  This is why I will challenge you.  You are a theist.  You are not an atheist.  Perhaps you are a member of the LDS? You seem to have similar views. 


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@BrotherDThomas
Well actually I am just bored. I have nothing better to do.  And Stephen is the one who does not know whether he is an atheist or not. 

He clearly seems very confused. 

Brother, it appears that he is actually a theist.  He has been duping you all along. Just as he does with everyone.  

I am only highlighting his lies for everyone to see. 


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@Stephen
 "But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”  Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist".
John the Baptist denies  this claim made on his behalf:

John 1:21
 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?”
He said, “I am not.”
“Are you the Prophet?”
He answered, “No.”


Sorry old chap.  Why are you adding your speculations?  Nowhere in those passages does John deny the claim made by Jesus.  


John 16:33
“I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

We take this to mean that Jesus brings peace to the world.  But then we read:
You mean you take it to mean that.  Stop speaking for everyone else. 


Luke 12:51
 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division.

Matthews gospel presses the point further, when we read:

Matthew 10:34-36
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.  For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
   a daughter against her mother,
   a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
   a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’
What point is Matthew pressing home?  And how can you do that without adding your own interpretation? 


Matthew 26:62-64
62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”.
Caiaphas died.
So did a whole lot of other people.  What do you think Jesus was talking about? How can you know without speculating?  There does not seem to be anything in this which seems untruth like.  



Matthew 12:40
" For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth".
From this instance, we are to assume that Jesus was talking about being dead when he was placed in the tomb before rising after three days.  But Jonah wasn't dead as we are to believe Jesus was  when Jonah is said to have been swallowed by a "huge fish". Indeed Jonah was quite well and alive all the time and appears to have been quite happy during his time in the gut of this "huge fish" happily praying before being vomited out onto dry land.  Jonah 2:1-10

Does this then mean that Jesus also was not dead when he was placed in a rich man's private burial tomb by his other secret disciple , Joseph of Arimathea?
Well assumptions upon assumptions.  More words added to try and explain Stephen's meaning.  Who said Jonah was not dead in the fish? but even if he was alive, nowhere in the passage does it say Jonah was dead. Are you adding words again Stephen. Surely not! 

Can you explain why this story of Jonah - whether he was alive or not tells us anything about whether Jesus was dead or alive? It's your story. Prove it. 


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@Intelligence_06
Hitler's grandmother apparently was partially of Jewish descent.  

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@Stephen
I am not annoyed that you scrutinize and question the bible.  It really is none of my concern. 

What I objected to was your hypocrisy about the bible.  You have your intentions and that is fine for you. But don't say you are doing one thing when clearly you are doing another.  

this is the same as the last lot I quoted from you - where you pretend to be an atheist but are really are a theist but are really an atheist. I don't know what you are - and it seems you don't know what you are either.  

either you believe in gods or not.  And if you believed in gods that have disappeared then you must have had a reason for believing in the supernatural - which makes you a superstitious person in my mind.  

So which gods do you believe in? 


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@Polytheist-Witch
DNA pretty much says that's not the case. I do not have a single drop of Jewish DNA in me. Adam and Eve, are not my ancestors.
And how do you know that? 

Jewish records are notoriously unreliable these days.  Since the temple was destroyed with its ancestral records , the Jews do not have proof of who is Jewish or not.  Perhaps Rosends can enlighten us more about this interesting fact and also provide her position in relation to how reliable the records are. 

As for your last sentence, that is really funny.  Apart from the unlikely idea that Adam and Eve really existed, the bible does not suggest that Adam and Eve were Jewish.  In fact the Jews did not really become a part of humanity until Jacob changed his name. Although there is a suggestion that Eber is the father of the Hebrews.  Jews seems have come from Judah. 

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