Climate change effects people worse than misgendering does. It's not directly effecting people, but it's still effecting people. If we don't jail climate deniers, we shouldn't jail misgenderers.
I'm an atheist and I'm pro life because of the scientific proof that a fetus is a human being. Adoption is available for any unwanted kids. Any woman who does not want pregnency should use an IUD if they wish to be sexually active. Abortion rates are going down for the 40th straight year. Eventually, it will be known as America's 2nd sin.
Make murderers donate organs when they die, whether they die of old age or execution. It is not an additional punishment since you can't inflict pain on someone that is dead, and it saves more people than the number that died in 9/11 every year.
People with depression should take meds to deal with it. I have mental problems and I take meds. It works effectively.
"Climate change does not directly relate to these people's psychological states."
I could argue that climate change is a more serious issue than transgenderism because it effects everyone. Transgender rights only effect transgenders and their families primarily. We don't jail climate deniers for denying climate change even though it is something much more serious to be "wrong" about. We shouldn't jail people for misgendering regardless on whether or not such people are "wrong".
Care workers aren't bullying transgenders by using non preferred pronouns. Ultimately, the transgender person should find a therapist that is fine with using preferred pronouns. There is enough therapists for them to pick from.
"Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine."
This is off topic, but if you don't believe anyone should go to jail, how would you punish murderers?
Whether or not one is factually wrong is up to the facts isn't it? For example, many people say that climate change is a fact. Yet we don't jail climate change deniers. If a transgender person gets psychologically damaged by someone misgendering them, they need to grow a thick skin. A majority of America believes that there are only 2 genders and they should not be put in jail for this.
For example, imagine if saying something pro choice was deemed hate speech towards the unborn. Every open pro choicer would go to jail. Yet hate speech is protected by the first amendment and the supreme court ruled this multiple times.
"Willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
"And the punishment is a misdeamnor which is: "Standard California misdemeanors are offenses that are usually punishable by a maximum of: 6 months in county jail, and /or. A fine of up to $1,000.""
So this means that if you believe that there are only 2 genders and you act on that in a peaceful manner by misgendering on ideological grounds, you get punished? If so, that is a violation of the 1st amendment.
In California, misgendering on ideological grounds gets you put in jail for a year. By comparison, willingly spread HIV/AIDS is punishable by 6 months in jail in the state of CA. Now you know why people are fleeing the state. The state needs to sort out its priorities.
BLM wants racial Reperations that keep black people dependent on the government. What causes them to fail is the huge amount of single motherhood in the black community.
I'm an atheist right now, but I sometimes am Christian if I think the evidence is there. Atheists and agnostics can convert to Christianity any time they feel like it.
BLM wants racial reparations. This would drag us deeper into debt and keep black people dependent on the government. They also hate the nuclear family because it's western prescribed even though it lifts people out of poverty. I don't support BLM.
It's just a bunch of paint on a canvas. It's like when people value special coins. To me, I don't care how rare a certain quarter is. I don't care how good condition it's in; it's only worth 25 cents to me.
The punishment doesn't have to be effective; it just as to be proportional. 80% of pro lifers are pro contraception legalization, so if your worried about losing contraception with an abortion ban, that just wouldn't happen anytime soon. I'm fine with contraception and education about the contraception methods. I'm also pro life though, and because of that, I think abortion should be punished in a proportional manner.
The blood would be taken in a safe way and while unusual, it wouldn't be too cruel. It has to be both in order for it to be against the constitution. If the woman can't give blood, her boyfriend would have to. If neither one of them can do it, they'll have to rely on one of their parents to get it done. The parents can make a deal with the kid to have the punishment carried out. Thoughts?
I would institute a light but proportional penalty for abortion; I'd make the woman or her boyfriend give enough blood to save someone else's life. I've tagged you both because there have been some pro lifers that I've met and some pro choicers that have both backed this punishment, and some that hav believed it to be too harsh or too lenient. Thoughts on it?
If your willing to put a woman through 9 months of pain to prevent an abortion, would you be willing to put a male through a few hours of vasectomy pain to prevent an abortion?
-Want abortion banned and punished.
-Want the 2nd amendment, which defends against the biggest mass shooter in history (tyrannical governments)
-Want poverty ended, and realize that the war on poverty is a counterproductive failure that needs to be overturned.
-Want the minimum wage abolished, so low income people find better paying jobs on their own.
-And more, that I don't feel like listing right now.
I want a light punishment for abortion; the woman or her boyfriend gives enough blood to save someone else's life to make up for the life they took from some abortions. Hopefully its a deal the left and the right can agree too.
I think pro lifers should be willing to adopt from the 3rd world if they are so concerned about life. For that reason, I’m pro choice.
As long as we get this fake meat to replace animal meat, that works. Animal death and suffering should be minimal.
I liked Danelle's round 1.
I think drug users should be rehabbed or left alone depending on the circumstances.
Who would you sterilize, the male or the female or both?
Climate change effects people worse than misgendering does. It's not directly effecting people, but it's still effecting people. If we don't jail climate deniers, we shouldn't jail misgenderers.
I'm an atheist and I'm pro life because of the scientific proof that a fetus is a human being. Adoption is available for any unwanted kids. Any woman who does not want pregnency should use an IUD if they wish to be sexually active. Abortion rates are going down for the 40th straight year. Eventually, it will be known as America's 2nd sin.
Make murderers donate organs when they die, whether they die of old age or execution. It is not an additional punishment since you can't inflict pain on someone that is dead, and it saves more people than the number that died in 9/11 every year.
People with depression should take meds to deal with it. I have mental problems and I take meds. It works effectively.
"Climate change does not directly relate to these people's psychological states."
I could argue that climate change is a more serious issue than transgenderism because it effects everyone. Transgender rights only effect transgenders and their families primarily. We don't jail climate deniers for denying climate change even though it is something much more serious to be "wrong" about. We shouldn't jail people for misgendering regardless on whether or not such people are "wrong".
Care workers aren't bullying transgenders by using non preferred pronouns. Ultimately, the transgender person should find a therapist that is fine with using preferred pronouns. There is enough therapists for them to pick from.
A quote from the article is,
"Violations of the bill could, under limited circumstances, be treated as a misdemeanor with punishment of up to one year in jail and/or a $1,000 fine."
This is off topic, but if you don't believe anyone should go to jail, how would you punish murderers?
Whether or not one is factually wrong is up to the facts isn't it? For example, many people say that climate change is a fact. Yet we don't jail climate change deniers. If a transgender person gets psychologically damaged by someone misgendering them, they need to grow a thick skin. A majority of America believes that there are only 2 genders and they should not be put in jail for this.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/
For example, imagine if saying something pro choice was deemed hate speech towards the unborn. Every open pro choicer would go to jail. Yet hate speech is protected by the first amendment and the supreme court ruled this multiple times.
"Willfully and repeatedly fail to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns."
"And the punishment is a misdeamnor which is: "Standard California misdemeanors are offenses that are usually punishable by a maximum of: 6 months in county jail, and /or. A fine of up to $1,000.""
So this means that if you believe that there are only 2 genders and you act on that in a peaceful manner by misgendering on ideological grounds, you get punished? If so, that is a violation of the 1st amendment.
I met a transgender person once. That person is evil. We don't get along. I think many other transgenders are like that.
In California, misgendering on ideological grounds gets you put in jail for a year. By comparison, willingly spread HIV/AIDS is punishable by 6 months in jail in the state of CA. Now you know why people are fleeing the state. The state needs to sort out its priorities.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/sep/26/claims-mislead-about-california-bill-forcing-jail-/
I don't know enough about this issue to argue it but the notion that you can get jailed for misgendering in California is insane.
We should reform prision and aim towards rehabilitation for most crimes, with the exception of murder.
I don't believe in deportations. Foreign criminals should go to jail for their crimes.
Basicly.
BLM wants racial Reperations that keep black people dependent on the government. What causes them to fail is the huge amount of single motherhood in the black community.
I like this debate a lot.
I'm an atheist right now, but I sometimes am Christian if I think the evidence is there. Atheists and agnostics can convert to Christianity any time they feel like it.
BLM wants racial reparations. This would drag us deeper into debt and keep black people dependent on the government. They also hate the nuclear family because it's western prescribed even though it lifts people out of poverty. I don't support BLM.
A cat is alive and autonomous. A painting isn't.
It's just a bunch of paint on a canvas. It's like when people value special coins. To me, I don't care how rare a certain quarter is. I don't care how good condition it's in; it's only worth 25 cents to me.
I don't see the value in art. I'm sorry art fans.
I like this debate. I like it a lot.
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The punishment doesn't have to be effective; it just as to be proportional. 80% of pro lifers are pro contraception legalization, so if your worried about losing contraception with an abortion ban, that just wouldn't happen anytime soon. I'm fine with contraception and education about the contraception methods. I'm also pro life though, and because of that, I think abortion should be punished in a proportional manner.
The blood would be taken in a safe way and while unusual, it wouldn't be too cruel. It has to be both in order for it to be against the constitution. If the woman can't give blood, her boyfriend would have to. If neither one of them can do it, they'll have to rely on one of their parents to get it done. The parents can make a deal with the kid to have the punishment carried out. Thoughts?
So how would you punish abortion? To me, since we can't jail women for life for having an abortion, it seems like a fair and proportional penalty.
I would institute a light but proportional penalty for abortion; I'd make the woman or her boyfriend give enough blood to save someone else's life. I've tagged you both because there have been some pro lifers that I've met and some pro choicers that have both backed this punishment, and some that hav believed it to be too harsh or too lenient. Thoughts on it?
What happens when/if oromagi loses?
If your willing to put a woman through 9 months of pain to prevent an abortion, would you be willing to put a male through a few hours of vasectomy pain to prevent an abortion?
I'm not an authoritarian.
I'm pro life and therefore:
-Want abortion banned and punished.
-Want the 2nd amendment, which defends against the biggest mass shooter in history (tyrannical governments)
-Want poverty ended, and realize that the war on poverty is a counterproductive failure that needs to be overturned.
-Want the minimum wage abolished, so low income people find better paying jobs on their own.
-And more, that I don't feel like listing right now.
RM said that debators tend to be more skilled as they become on DART more. For me, the opposite is true I think.
BLM wants reparations for African Americans. This would require much higher taxes and is bound to drag our country more into debt.
Both candidates are awful. I'm voting Libertarian this time.
Comment below is intended for you. I thought Pendragon was the atheist.
If God doesn't exist, then how come the solar system is flat as opposed to being shaped like an atom?
Since Bsh1 isin't in the military, he is hypocritical on this.
I want a light punishment for abortion; the woman or her boyfriend gives enough blood to save someone else's life to make up for the life they took from some abortions. Hopefully its a deal the left and the right can agree too.
P1: Money is capitol
P2: Capital punishment is punishment with loss of capitol
C1: Therefore, capitol punishment is merely a fine.
Why ban fines?
I would regulate consensual incest; with a vasectomy, an IUD, and a condom being mandatory in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
By saying that Obama was a good president, you have to prove why he was good overall, not just better than Trump.