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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think I recognize the character, I've never watched or heard of the show though
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My bad lol
Is that a Forrest Gump reference? I haven't seen it yet
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@bsh1
Also, noticed how Mharman jumps on bandwagons? Voted you as soon as you said you'd talked to Warren, voted for Pie, voted for Wylted for A HUGE leap in logic, once voted for Disc
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@Discipulus_Didicit
No lol I mean like sorry it turned out like that for you, I hope it gets better
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@Outplayz
Gotcha, I will
I wanna be a defense attorney, so I don't think I'll be bored
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Sorry about that, :/ I'll try to be more active and take all of these suggestions
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This is Pokemon, not Hunger Games lolMay the odds be ever in our favor.
I'm doing Mharman because I do not think that Mafia could possibly be as ignorant as Pie is being right now
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@ILikePie5
Once again, a PD does not balance a fake poisoner.
WARREN LITERALLY SAID WE GET A DAY POISON DOCTOR IF WE HAVE A POISONER WHO CAN ALSO FAKE
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@ILikePie5
Buddy a Fake Poisoner can also Fake Poison Wylted, Jesus Christ it’s not that hard. Why are you so adamant on lynching one of town’s best roles? Holy lord.
DUDE, when I say poisoner, I mean poisoner or fake poisoner, AKA we know that there is either a poisoner or a fake poisoner my dude
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@ILikePie5
DP2 I thought he was stupid town. This DP I think he’s scum. However, there’s no chance you’re gonna vote for him cause you’re underneath the impression 2 mafia killing roles have to exist, which is highly unlikely. There has to be a fake poisoner. Think of it this way. If there was a poisoner, a PD, and my mafia killing role, wouldn’t it heavily benefit town? Any loss to mafia ranks would be practically game over.
I never said there has to be two killing roles dude
There has to be a fake poisoner.
And therefore a poison doctor, AKA Club, AKA Club is town
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@ILikePie5
I’m not gonna confirm or deny. Doing so would help mafia.
I’ll bet all the money in the world you don’t know what role I am.
Contradictory statements. You're bomb and you know it, because if I'd said anything else you would've instantly denied it
Anyway VTL Mharman
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@ILikePie5
Dude I literally said there’s no chance Mafia get 2 NKs. The balancing force here is my role which can eliminate any mafioso. X shot and Day Night flavors are very common actually.
You saying that doesn't make it true, plus WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A POISONER BECAUSE WYLTED WAS POISONED
Ignorant
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@ILikePie5
As I’ve said countless times, I hate when people are stupid, it’s a pet peeve. Disc voted alongside me, GP if I seem to recall we’re with me and both were townies. It’s a pet peeve I can’t help it lol.
So is Club stupid, or is he scum? Stop vacillating
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@ILikePie5
Warren has said multiple times that he's all about balance, and poisoner obviously needs to be balanced by a poison doctor, so why would Club claim to be poison doctor when there likely would actually be one?
PLUS THAT, he said that he was an EVEN DAY POISON DOCTOR, something that is not mentioned on the wiki, so how could he know that such a variation could even exist?
Club is TOWN my dude
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@bsh1
Fine then. Nothing I can say will convince you not to lynch me. So lynch me then. It will only expose Disc and Grey when I flip innocent.VTL Mharman
Could've just been a bold move, which I suspect it was, but this kind of town reads him too
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@bsh1
So about Club's even day poison doctor thing...what if Mr. fake poisoner can only poison on odd nights? AKA NK 1...only problem with that is that Club would instantly counter any poisoner, which doesn't seem like something warren could do
I think we're missing something about how the fake poisoner works
Anyway, I'm logging off
With Pie's role claim, (I hope you've figured it out by now) I'm not sure we should lynch him...which makes me go back to Mharman
Plus Disc and Grey and all of them would be right about Mharman trying to hitchhike off of Club...welp anyway good night
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@bsh1
Not necessarily a killing role. The NK (as traditionally conceived) is not a role, but an ability shared collectively by mafia, thus enabling any mafioso on the team to perform it on a given night. I think that there is at least one poisoner and something else. But until we have more information, we won't know for certain.
Ohhh, so like a lynch but only for mafia? Hmmm
So, why Pie over Mhar?
Because he's straight up lied about townreading club, consistently hammers club even though we know he's town, and weirdly protects Mharman even though Mharman has contested Pie before...
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@bsh1
Strange behavior I noticed
Mharman is lynching Pie, and has contested with Pie before...yet Pie consistently protects Mharman? I'm so confused...
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@bsh1
No, not two poisoners, two killing roles. We basically know there has to be a poisoner who can fake poison, but that means also another killing role that killed Grey, likely a Goon
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@ILikePie5
We know who you are, just say it pls CLAIM mah dude
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@bsh1
Right now, we don't know what mafia has. As I think I said to Mhar, there may be something important about the even/odd cycles. So far, we have not seen two deaths in the same night phase, so why are you so apparently confident that there are two killing roles?
Don't we know that there are two though? Grey died, and we were never told that he was poisoned. That had to be some type of killing role, though, right?
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@bsh1
Precisely...I've alluded to it before, but Pie's blatant insistence on his position? I just don't like it
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@bsh1
Ok I'm just gonna out him because I'm impatient
Straight from the wiki: (Voltorb) It has a volatile temperament and will explode if bumped or agitated.
Sound familiar?
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@bsh1
It almost reads like you have inside information that you're trying to sell as a big revelation in order to get towncred. That would fit with you acting like you don't understand the active/passive distinction and with the push on Wylted, which I just am not getting when I really think about it.
Thissssssss
Mharman - Town if and only if Club is town —> He’s been adamant about saving Club my top scum read atm. He has flip flopped this DP on whether Fake Poisoner is possible or if it’s actually a Poisoner. Not to mention he doesn’t seem to know what an active role is, even though he’s a Universal Backup.
I call lynching Pie
Everytime lynching Mharman has been brought up, Pie's avoided it. He always goes back to Club. We've basically proved Club is town and he still goes to scum on him? And he ignores the fact that Mharman apparently doesn't understand his own role...
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@bsh1
Look up Voltorb...I think it's pretty obvious what Pie's role claim is from that description
I can paste it here if you want, not sure if you want me to out him though
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@bsh1
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor! Read Water's analysis, he asks if Wylted is ok, like he knows Wylted is doing something wrongExplain how Water's analysis fits in here?
Forget that theory, we know Club basically has to be town
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor!This would mean that Club and Wylted are both scum. This would require Club to be a fake poisoner and for Wylted to be on the same scum team as Club. I don't think this is likely due to balance considerations. I've just gone through the DP and put together a claims list.
Forget it, I appreciate the claims though
Why does the fact that "a poisoner who can fake poison exists" entail that "Wylted is the poisoner who can fake poison."
Thisssss, ALTHOUGH warren told me that poisoners and fake poisoners can poison themselves...food for thought
This logic only holds if we conflate "fake poisoner" with "poisoner who can also fake poison". These aren't the same.
Gotcha, I'll consider that in my future evaluations
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@bsh1
OK I'm online, funny because as soon as I got on warren came on and answered all of my questions, prepare for a lot of info, I gotta catch up though so one second
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@bsh1
In an hour ish? I've gotta get this assignment done, sorry
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@bsh1
I apologize, I'm busy with school stuff and I'm gone all day tomorrow for school, if I have time before bed I'll give you a breakdown if possible
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@bsh1
I see what you're saying, you're right that it would be risky to fake claim poison doctor, so Club is town. I think that we need to evaluate Wylted more, especially if fake poisoners can poison themselves
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@Mharman
Wait, I have like 5 questions that I need warren to answer, I’ll get back to you
But, if wylted was the poisoner, why didn’t he poison anyone else last night? We already know that they can do both a kill and poison
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@Mharman
Ok, so I asked Warren if, hypothetically, if he would feel the need to balance a fake poisoner with a poison doctor, or not to since the doctor wouldn't really do anything... he said, and I quote, "that's not an answer I'm willing to give." You can ask him yourself to confirm. Notice that he didn't even try to be vague, he straight up didn't answer. That's because saying he didn't feel the need to put the poison doctor would instantly out Club as Mafia! But saying he MIGHT feel the need wouldn't... so why didn't he say that? I think he feels it would put undue suspicion on Club, plus, if Club was fake poisoner, why would he risk claiming poison doctor if he didn't know whether there was actually a poison doctor in town to counter claim him?
BUT ALSO, Club said that he was a day poison bdoctor BEFORE Warren told bsh anything about day doctors, and that fact isn't exactly readily available to three public. So how would he know that a day poison doctor could even exist?
I think this confirms Club as town
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@Mharman
Just reposting for y'all to see:
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor! Read Water's analysis, he asks if Wylted is ok, like he knows Wylted is doing something wrong
So Club, Wylted, and Water? I'm gonna analyze all of them in relation to each other
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@Mharman
I was thinking the exact same thing, but why would the poisoner be Wylted? I don’t think he can poison himself...
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@bsh1
DUDE I JUST HAD A BREAKTHROUGH I THINK
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor! Read Water's analysis, he asks if Wylted is ok, like he knows Wylted is doing something wrong
Also UNVOTE
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I noticed some stuff but I'll analyze tomorrow because I'm sleepy so bye
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@bsh1
Not that I see, his last post was 3 days ago and then 16 hours ago, that said he's not extremely active in the first place, and since it was the night phase he wouldn't have been posting anyway...
Scratch that, this Mafia is literally the only activity in his profile so I can't concretely say anything
But Club I know wasn't on for a fact because he told Warren he was leaving... So maybe that one scenario you gave where he fake poisoned then pretended poison doctor? Plus it would make sense because you wouldn't need a poison doctor to balance if the poisoner is fake
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