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@Shila
Penguins are harder to understand.
Is "penguins" a euphemism for "men"?
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@Shila
You are doing well representing them. You have earned the title.
I'm glad you think so!
*quack quack*
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@Lemming
Was WordPad the predecessor to Microsoft Word?
My family has an older computer in the house that still uses WordPad
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@zedvictor4
You sound like me.
Anything you'd have wanted a younger "type" of you to know when he was younger?
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@Shila
Oh that sounded so gay. I am never talking again at least for a while.
Don't pain yourself with reading my messages.
It's just what happens when your a penguin troll
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@Shila
I have to run every day and keep my flippers shredded for them "lady-guins."
I am also the village idiot of my colony of penguins
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@Shila
They're calling it Immigrant Cleansing these days, Shila
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@Shila
Raw footage of me trolling this morning
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@Best.Korea
For the sake of argument you are though. I think you'd benefit from looking up the answer for "What is a claim in debate terminology?"Again, I am not claiming that my claim is true. I come into a debate by arguing that my position is not true.But, this is contradictory to the function of a debate. Two people are representatives for their chosen side on the topic. You can't represent the side that"nothing is true" because fighting for that is contradictory to what it means.Again, you have it backwards. I am not representing my side as true. I am representing my side as not true.
This is contradictory to the function of a debate.
It would be valid for you to argue that the claim "unicorns are real isn't true" is true or that "unicorns aren't real" is true or something of the like, but your claim is that "nothing is true," even truth itself (whatever that means).
I've explained how your claim is nonsensical.
Every time you try to defend that nothing is true, you are contradicting the fundamentals of argumentation which is the highest and intelligent form of conversation.I am not defending that "nothing is true". That is just your assumption. By claiming that nothing is true, I have nothing to defend since I didnt claim that anything is true.
This right here nails it in the coffin for you. Your claim is contradictory to the function of a debate, and to an extent, language itself.
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I finally got you. It took a while, but you can't explain yourself anymore. This is the first post from you in this convo where you literally just repeated things you already said.
We've finally reached the impasse because you are going to keep on arguing against me even though I've explained the fallacy in your claim, and you will continue to disagree with me even though I've demonstrated error in your thought process
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@Best.Korea
Jesus did recommend poking one's own eyes out.
He was speaking to the principle of severing all ties to that which causes you to sin
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@Best.Korea
You are making a claim.But I am not saying that the claim is true.
For the sake of argument you are though. I think you'd benefit from looking up the answer for "What is a claim in debate terminology?"
It could be possible that you don't believe what you are saying. But you present yourself like you do believe it.No. The claim "truth doesnt exist" maintains that nothing is true. Thus, none of my claims need to be proved because I never said they are true.
Okay, now I am starting to understand where you are coming from. You seemed to have found a loophole exploit in standards of language, debate, and truth.
However, I believe I have found a fallacy in your exploit:
In a debate, two people have their own claim.
If nothing is true, then you say you do not have to defend your claim because you don't think the claim is true in the first place ("I dont need to prove my claim, since I never claimed that my claim is correct." "No. The claim "truth doesnt exist" maintains that nothing is true. Thus, none of my claims need to be proved because I never said they are true.").
If you accuse me of strawmanning over this, ima gonna lose it!
But, this is contradictory to the function of a debate. Two people are representatives for their chosen side on the topic. You can't represent the side that"nothing is true" because fighting for that is contradictory to what it means.
Every time you try to defend that nothing is true, you are contradicting the fundamentals of argumentation which is the highest and intelligent form of conversation.
In the words of a famous writer:"If someone proved to me that Jesus isnt the truth, then I should prefer to remain with Jesus rather than with the truth."
Hypothetical that isn't reality.
I dont even know why you argued so far. Arguing against Christians is pointless
It is funny how far we've come with this
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@Best.Korea
He who holds the most power is always the most dangerousOne country, one leader.It is the law of nature discovered by Hitler in his books.
Sounds like a good law to me
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@Best.Korea
Is that statement true or not? You are bringing up an exception to the rule, so you need to prove this exception, at least to show that it is more likely than the already established truth logic.You have it backwards. It is you who needs to prove your rule. I dont need to prove anything since I never claimed that anything is true. In fact, I maintain that true statement doesnt exist.
You are making a claim. You are claiming that everything is not true.
One of us is correct, right?No. Truth doesnt exist, so it is impossible to be correct.
Proof?
you believe what you are saying is correctStop putting words in my mouth. I never said that what I am saying is correct. Not sure why you are attacking a strawman like that.
It could be possible that you don't believe what you are saying. But you present yourself like you do believe it.
If what you're saying is not correct, and you admit to that, why should I argue with you?
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@FLRW
General Mark Milley, who chaired the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Trump presidency, has voiced his emphatic verdict to author Bob Woodward: “No one has ever been as dangerous to this country as Donald Trump … Now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is the most dangerous person to this country.” Many others who served with the former president offer similar views.
He who holds the most power is always the most dangerous
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@FLRW
Trump’s derogatory comments are often targeted at nonwhite immigrants; in 2018, he referred to Haiti and African nations as “shithole countries.” His latest claims about Haitian immigrants in Ohio have no basis in fact and were pushed, in part, by a neo-Nazi group.“They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13.” [6/19/18]“The Democrats say, ‘Please don’t call them animals. They’re humans.’ I said, ‘No, they’re not humans, they’re not humans. They’re animals.’” [4/2/24]“They’re eating the dogs, the people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating the pets of the people that live there, and this is what’s happening in our country, and it’s a shame.” [9/10/24]
I guess he was misinformed or believed in individual reports too strongly. Perhaps just a crowd-stir for his audience to hate on immigrants.
I do see that, thanks for the info
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@FLRW
Bertrand Russell was a British philosopher, logician, mathematician, and public intellectual. He had influence on mathematics, logic, set theory, and various areas of analytic philosophy. From about the age of fifteen he became deeply concerned with questions like the existence of god, for which he could find no evidence. At the age of eighteen he became an atheist. He found it a great relief to be free of some of the fears and dogma surrounding religion.
"From about the age of fifteen he became deeply concerned with questions like the existence of god, for which he could find no evidence."
Unfortunate he never knew the Bible existed and how we verify historical documents.
"He found it a great relief to be free of some of the fears and dogma surrounding religion."
Yes, what a relief to not feel the pressure of responsibility or that our actions and thoughts have ultimate consequences.
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@Best.Korea
Come on man, you know that all statements are either true or not true. To claim not not truth is to claim truthTruth doesnt exist, thus the fantasy division between truth and not truth doesnt exist either.
Is that statement true or not? You are bringing up an exception to the rule, so you need to prove this exception, at least to show that it is more likely than the already established truth logic.
I would say that my logic demonstrates the reality that truth is self-evident.No, that was your claim which is circular logic. Do you think circular logic is true?
Circular reasoning is a fallacy, which means it is illogical.
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@Best.Korea
But then I would like to understand what is "proof" to you.Is the world and universe in all of its design evidence?No. The existence of the world and universe is only evidence if we assume that we should trust our eyes. However, I already explained that we shouldnt trust our eyes. God is by definition greater than our eyes, so why should one believe in what he sees with his own eyes? It is much better to believe in one of the thousands of interpretations of one of the few hundred versions of Bible.
If we should never trust our eyes, what is reality then?
Our vision is a gift from God to let us explore His creation and to enrich our lives
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@Best.Korea
Am I correct in saying that you believe proof has to precede truth?You claim that truth exists. So prove that truth exists. Otherwise, its just faith.
Okay, and here is my proof:
Let's take this conversation for example. One of us is correct, right? It could be argued that it is possible for both parties of an argument to be wrong, but for this instance, you believe what you are saying is correct.
Let's say you are right in what you believe.
Even if we were not having this argument, you would still be correct.
If what you are saying is true, then it would be true for all cases and circumstances--even if you didn't know about this truth you believe.
Thus, you are appealing to a proto-truth that transcends and precedes this conversation.
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@Best.Korea
Is that a true statement? It's self-defeating to believe in truth that says "there is no truth."Nothing is true, not even this statement. I already said that I dont believe in truth. I believe in Jesus. No "self defeat" happens, because the statement doesnt claim that its true. It claims that both it and all other statements are not true. This disproves science and truth.
"Nothing is true, not even this statement." Where does this truth come from?
Come on man, you know that all statements are either true or not true. To claim not not truth is to claim truth
Why is this a problem?Your logic proves that Jesus-God exists.
I would say that my logic demonstrates the reality that truth is self-evident. If God is truth, then He is self-evident.
But my logic is not needed for truth to be true.
It is unproven--because it's self-evidentSo you concede that your truth is unproven. This sounds like victory for the Bible.
No, not my truth. The essence of truth. I'm talking about truth in general, and then you try to shame it by calling it "the truth of the Bible."
Are you saying here that truth being self-evident is bad?
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@FLRW
And how did Hitler carry out his "cleansing" compared to how Trump is carrying out his "cleansing"?
And Trump is "cleansing" illegal immigrants, yes?
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@Best.Korea
Where can we see his hatred of minorities being demonstrated?
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@FLRW
Trump‘s often vulgar denunciation of his opponents’ alleged failures consistently highlights the claim that he alone can fix the problems in public policy and society. That claim finds an analogy in Hitler’s persistent demand that he be the sole leader in Germany.
Is this meaning that Trump wants a monarchy or a dictatorship?
I think people's main beef with Hitler was his "ethnic cleansing" ideology. Is there a parallel with Trump there as well?
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@Best.Korea
Am I correct in saying that you believe proof has to precede truth?
But then I would like to understand what is "proof" to you.
Is the world and universe in all of its design evidence?
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@Best.Korea
So it cant be proven. Its just faith.
All beliefs and religions require some level of faith.
If you're referring to just Christianity, the religion isn't built just on faith.
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@Best.Korea
Besides, your logic can be applied to Jesus-God too. Jesus-God is Jesus-God whether you believe in it or not.
Why is this a problem?
It also doesnt include any proof that truth even exists.
Is that a true statement? It's self-defeating to believe in truth that says "there is no truth."
The truth would already be true whether it is known to you or notThat sounds like an unproved claim.
It is unproven--because it's self-evident
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@Best.Korea
Oh, I misunderstood. Trump is Hitler 🤣
What are the similarities between Trump and Hitler?
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@Best.Korea
No it's not circular reasoning.You said that truth is self-evident (that it proves itself). That is circular reasoning where A is a proof for A.
I don't think it's right to say that self-evidence proves itself. Self-evidence doesn't need to be proven
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@Best.Korea
I'm bringing up the point of truth being the truth whether you believe it or not.
Is that something you agree with?
This point does not include trying to prove a truth to see if its true.
The truth would already be true whether it is known to you or not
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@Best.Korea
After meeting Hitler, Elon Musk said "This is what victory is", then he did a nazi salute two times.Here is a video from a different angle which shows Musk doing nazi salute two times after he met Hitler:He was excited, so he did the salute two times instead of one.
Are there any similarities between Hitler and Elon besides the controversy that Elon's hand gesture looks like a Nazi salute?
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@Best.Korea
No it's not circular reasoning.
The truth is the truth whether you believe it or not. It does not adhere to your worldview. It transcends your worldview or any system you try to enforce on it.
Why can't the truth of Christianity be self-evident if it is the true religion?
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Hawking is talking. Hawking is talking.
Heyo! We got a talkin' Hawkin'!
A'Hawkin is a'talkin!
Goin' for a walkin!
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@Best.Korea
Truth does not need to determine itself as true because truth is self-evident
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@FLRW
You can't use science to prove any creation or universe origin theory, and this understanding is easily ascertained from the fundamentals of how to practice science.
What science is Stephen Hawking adhering to?
Though I should admit Hawking was talking in terms of likelihood, and this is where the real argument is: How should we interpret the scientific facts available to us?
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@Mall
I did a debate on here almost two years ago defending the same thing as you are.
My argument was that Atheists are religious.
What you say makes sense
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@Sidewalker
@Shila
I guess I'm not a persona troll, unless someone think it's believable that a penguin is typing to you both right now.
So character troll I am.
I will only occasionally be a troll, don't fret
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@Shila
Dang, are you anti-penguin? I would've never been able to tell by looking at you.
Are you recommending me to a furry website or something? I don't know if I'd be able to relate to a furry
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@Shila
The fact that you think you are a penguin opens room for bullies.
I was just kidding about that.
I was making fun of McMieky for saying he's the best debater in the world.
This is the only social media platform where I refer to myself as Skipper the penguin.
When I first made this account, I put Skipper as random name.
But then I made a joke out it by putting Skipper the penguin as my pfp
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@Shila
What is a healthy expression of anger?Expressing your angry feelings in an assertive—not aggressive—manner is the healthiest way to express anger. To do this, you have to learn how to make clear what your needs are, and how to get them met, without hurting others.
I like your differentiation between assertion and aggression. I think that is important for me to remember.
I don't know if everyone can avoid needing to be hurt in some way.
For example, sometimes you have to punch the bully in the nose to make peace with him.
But this does bring another related problem to light, and it could be that I view too many folks as "the bully;" my reaction to them is not correctly proportional to the situation.
You think this is possible?
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@Shila
Sometimes I feel weak and cowardly when I try focusing on subduing my anger.
I've had bad experiences with people manipulating me and making me feel weak and afraid.
I fear that sometimes my actions of anger act as a revenge mechanism to "get back" at those that afflicted me in the past, even though my anger is not or cannot be geared towards them.
My trouble is: how do I feel confident and sure of my strength without "losing it" in social interactions?
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@zedvictor4
Though looking back at my early years, I see that friends were nonetheless always competitive.Always trying to gain one-upmanship
I had trouble with valuing friendships, and to a certain extent relationships in general, because of the competitive presence I could see in my interactions with my friends and classmates.
At times, I would view them as completely arrogant and self-absorbed. But I see some of the same qualities in myself at certain moments, so I try not to be a harsh judge.
I'd like to think I control my negative qualities better than most.
I try very hard to not get angry around people because I don't want to subject them to having to deal with my outbursts.
I display a lot more anger when I'm by myself and no one can hear me.
I know how angry I can be towards people, and so I try not to be so conflicting. But at the same time, I loathe being a coward more than anything, and I think this outlook can influence me to be a lot more serious than I want to be in social interactions.
It's a balance of not being too angry and not feeling like I am being too submissive and slave-like to those around me
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@Shila
Alberto substitutes as your super ego.
I don't know about that. He's more like an annoyance that voices itself from confidence and image then from logic.
I wouldn't say he acts as a moral compass of sorts for me.
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It seems like you've studied psychoanalytic theory, so I'd appreciate your thoughts.
I have anger issues that arise sometimes. Do you think this plays a part in how I view my friend and myself?
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@JoeBob
Not sure how many people on this website play Fortnite but I would be interested to hear what yall think.
My least favorite season was either Chapter 5 Season 3 with all of the "Mad Max" cars or the mythology season which came before Ch5 S3
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@JoeBob
Funny you say that… because you can’t even play Fortnite on iOS rn😂
You can play on iOS or iPadOS or macOS with the xcloud, Xbox's cloud gaming service on their website.
All you have to do is make a Microsoft account to make an xbox account, and if you are on an iPhone or iPad you need to add the website to the Home Screen.
There will be a prompt to add it to the Home Screen--it's pretty simple.
I've been using xcloud on my Apple devices to play Fortnite for many months now without a hitch.
Though you might find trouble or glitching with slower devices.
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@Mharman
It was such a banger of a season to start on, and no season I’ve played since has topped it.
I 100% agree with you. That spy season was the best
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The current bible has no reference to reincarnation because it was removed but there are some hints that lead us to think that reincarnation was a Christian doctrine at the beginning. "Now the Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” John 1, 24-25. In that verse, Elijah had already long died but the Pharisees asked if John the Baptist was him. It's not a direct reference to reincarnation but I think we all understand what the pharisees tried to say.
This is not support for reincarnation.
The Pharisees are asking John the Baptist, "Why are you baptizing people as if you are Elijah?"
"Why are you acting as if you are Elijah?"
They are saying that he's acting like their understanding of who Elijah is, not that John is a direct reincarnation.
The Pharisees ask this because they think he is a fake, not that he is some legit, future revision of Elijah.
Similar action between two people does not denote reincarnation of one to the other.
I can go out and act like Ted Bundy.
How does that mean I am the reincarnation of Ted Bundy?
This Bible passage is truly to showcase that the Pharisees, as is the norm, misunderstand the will of God, and they do not know how to make sense of the actions of those that serve Him.
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@zedvictor4
It that because when one is younger, they have more opportunity, time, and willingness to form friendships?
When you get older, is there a decline in making friends, but there's still a capacity to have positive relationships in the form of acquaintances?
I'm nowhere near being older for now, so I don't have the "older experience" to say for sure
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@Best.Korea
That's pretty simple. Just outlining a CMaj7 chord.
Besides that, it's easy because you only play four notes.
Any one can play it!🤠
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