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I could have sworn that Mharman said somewhere that this game would be role madness, but I can't find it. Technically, that wouldn't necessarily preclude a Vanilla depending on how exactly you define role madness (sometimes a game with one vanilla is still considered rolemad depending on who you ask), but it doesn't look good for Vader either way. 

Your continued defense of Vader is noted.

He said the mod told him This and he was an item in the game. 

He’s not an item in the game at all and if the mod told him that then the mod fucked up lol. But I don’t think Mharm did that because I asked him was I a category or did I have tiers. Said he could not say and linked me the wiki. 

All of this is wrong. 

341 and 354

I did not catch this earlier. You slipped but not in the way Luna thought. This is factually wrong. 

No he said my character itself is not tiered. My however my pm mentions tiers but it is not my character. Especially one in particular 

This is more of what I’m basing my thoughts on When I say meta

Well I haven't played forum mafia in ages and DDO is gone so no. But it's very common in live mafia.

I mean maybe that's the difference. In live mafia you don't have as much time to come up with a sophisticated strategy, so getting mad is the easiest to come up with under pressure. In forums scum can plan things out together, run posts by each other, etc. so it's easier for them to keep their cool.

Single link to an example? I've played a decent number of games and never seen it. Luna blowing up like this makes him the easy lynch. Would have been much easier for another target to emerge if scum Luna had played it cool or let his scum buddies redirect attention.

And he was town, wasn't he?

I literally have as scum

That to me comes off as scum Luna to answer skeps question earlier. I may be wrong and I’d have to go look but I feel like the blow up throw your hands up is slam thing him and I both tend to do as scum to feign sincerity 

Mikal, JoeBob and maybe Cerulean for scum team? 

Clarifying again and sorry. 

Are you the base item or a tier of the item 

Example 

Axe 

Or iron axe

Just say axe or iron axe and I’m groovy 

Are you a tier of an npc or a just something like “bird”

My block right now for pressure is 

Luna

Savant 

Ceru 

I don't think we should be discussing whether Mharman accidentally confirmed them. I think Mikal's town for other reasons (it may not seem like a lot, but his thinking on Luna makes sense and I don't think he'd fake that as scum), and I think overfocusing on a post like this isn't going to do us any favors.

It's been a while.

I have a decent amount of theme knowledge, although I was expecting NPCs, not whatever these characters are.

Would you rather be a simp or the head leader of your wife?

Would you rather go back and kill baby Hitler or take the chance to talk and reason with him to be against a "master race" mentality?

Would you rather die once losing everything possibly burning in hell or reincarnate, relive over and over with the hell on earth?

Reminder: This thread is for voting only. No further discussions. 

I think that relates to an unfounded slippery slope fear; which isn't to say the CoC couldn't do with an overhaul. For zero moderation, there was DDO for the longest time; for ultra light moderation, 4Chan still exists. We don't pretend to be the only option, but are are rather open that we're not safe space for anything and everything. At the same time, we're not power tripping by banning people for getting on our nerves, nor for having a harmless different opinion (such as regarding pineapple on pizza).

Grave vs venial is actually binary.

I also presumed there was a scale but masturbating is considered as evil as murder and rape in Catholicism, I am not joking.

It is binary. It is grave ir venial by its very nature then becones mortal or just grave depending how knowledgable one was it was a sin and how lucid/awake/sober etc they were when doing the act.

But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Site will get banned in Europe and European users will maybe need to hand over devices to get fully checked if this site hosts holocaust denial and they actively use it.

Proposition 1: New moderators

Part 1: Should DART bring on new moderators?

Part 2: If yes, who should those moderators be? You can vote for more than one. If voting for more than one please rank your preferences. Here are the applications we received:

Proposition 2: Should the website be rebranded to a different domain name

Proposition 3: Updating the COC 

Should the COC prohibit the use of racial slurs?

Proposition 4: New features

What new features would you like to see on the new website? Multiple choices are permitted. If selecting multiple options please rank the order of what you want to see most strongly. 

Thou shalt not murder.

It is doctrinally unfeasible to do that and expect Heaven especially if the drive is revenge rather than defense.

I would say I hope they repent but are the guys that did it still alive?

How do you know it was not the Black man btw?

Around noon on April 26, she went to the factory to claim her pay. The next day, shortly before 3:00 a.m., the factory's night watchman, Newt Lee, went to the factory basement to use the toilet.[36] After leaving the toilet, Lee discovered Phagan's body in the rear of the basement near an incinerator and called the police.

Her dress was up around her waist and a strip from her petticoat had been torn off and wrapped around her neck. Her face was blackened and scratched, and her head was bruised and battered. A 7-foot (2.1 m) strip of 1⁄4-inch (6.4 mm) wrapping cord was tied into a loop around her neck, buried 1⁄4 in (6.4 mm) deep, showing that she had been strangled. Her underwear was still around her hips, but stained with blood and torn open. Her skin was covered with ashes and dirt from the floor, initially making it appear to first responding officers that she and her assailant had struggled in the basement.[37]'

A service ramp at the rear of the basement led to a sliding door that opened into an alley; the police found the door had been tampered with so it could be opened without unlocking it. Later examination found bloody fingerprints on the door, as well as a metal pipe that had been used as a crowbar.[38] Some evidence at the crime scene was improperly handled by the police investigators: a trail in the dirt (from the elevator shaft) along which police believed Phagan had been dragged was trampled; the footprints were never identified.[39]

Two notes were found in a pile of rubbish by Phagan's head, and became known as the "murder notes". One said: "he said he wood love me land down play like the night witch did it but that long tall black negro did boy his slef." The other said, "mam that negro hire down here did this i went to make water and he push me down that hole a long tall negro black that hoo it wase long sleam tall negro i write while play with me." The phrase "night witch" was thought to mean "night watch[man]"; when the notes were initially read aloud, Lee, who was black, said: "Boss, it looks like they are trying to lay it on me."[n 7] Lee was arrested that morning based on these notes and his apparent familiarity with the body – he stated that the girl was white, when the police, because of the filth and darkness in the basement, initially thought she was black. A trail leading back to the elevator suggested to police that the body had been moved by Lee.

For a guy who talks so highly of European regimes and political thinkers elsewhere on the site, insulting West Europe so severely is not becoming of you.

America is far more degenerated away from family values and most things you claim to stand for, than Europe is.

Id argue against that. I am for free speech but hate speech largely is a tool for harassment.

I am with you backwards.

Genuinely advocating for the genocides Stalin did as heroic and pushing him as a hero are dangerous to allow. I do think it is strange that Communist regime logos like the literal logo of what Stalin used (hammer sickle, the USSR flag too) are allowed to be donned legally in Europe where of course all Nazi

stuff is banned to ever dare show/don.

Both should be banned, not just the Nazis. There is no way at all to be a so-called good guy USSR Tankie. The regimes of Tankies were consistently genocidal and abusive and USSR was statistically the worst or on par with some.

I deny not, but that it is of greatest concernment in the Church and Commonwealth, to have a vigilant eye how books demean themselves as well as men; and thereafter to confine, imprison, and do sharpest justice on them as malefactors. For books are not absolutely dead things, but do contain a potency of life in them to be as active as that soul was whose progeny they are; nay, they do preserve as in a vial the purest efficacy and extraction of that living intellect that bred them. I know they are as lively, and as vigorously productive, as those fabulous dragon's teeth; and being sown up and down, may chance to spring up armed men. And yet, on the other hand, unless wariness be used, as good almost kill a man as kill a good book. Who kills a man kills a reasonable creature, God's image; but he who destroys a good book, kills reason itself, kills the image of God, as it were in the eye. Many a man lives a burden to the earth; but a good book is the precious life-blood of a master spirit, embalmed and treasured up on purpose to a life beyond life. 'Tis true, no age can restore a life, whereof perhaps there is no great loss; and revolutions of ages do not oft recover the loss of a rejected truth, for the want of which whole nations fare the worse.

We should be wary therefore what persecution we raise against the living labours of public men, how we spill that seasoned life of man, preserved and stored up in books; since we see a kind of homicide may be thus committed, sometimes a martyrdom, and if it extend to the whole impression, a kind of massacre; whereof the execution ends not in the slaying of an elemental life, but strikes at that ethereal and fifth essence, the breath of reason itself, slays an immortality rather than a life.

Good and evil we know in the field of this world grow up together almost inseparably; and the knowledge of good is so involved and interwoven with the knowledge of evil, and in so many cunning resemblances hardly to be discerned, that those confused seeds which were imposed upon Psyche as an incessant labour to cull out, and sort asunder, were not more intermixed. It was from out the rind of one apple tasted, that the knowledge of good and evil, as two twins cleaving together, leaped forth into the world. And perhaps this is that doom which Adam fell into of knowing good and evil, that is to say of knowing good by evil. As therefore the state of man now is; what wisdom can there be to choose, what continence to forbear without the knowledge of evil? He that can apprehend and consider vice with all her baits and seeming pleasures, and yet abstain, and yet distinguish, and yet prefer that which is truly better, he is the true warfaring Christian.

I cannot praise a fugitive and cloistered virtue, unexercised and unbreathed, that never sallies out and sees her adversary but slinks out of the race, where that immortal garland is to be run for, not without dust and heat. Assuredly we bring not innocence into the world, we bring impurity much rather; that which purifies us is trial, and trial is by what is contrary. That virtue therefore which is but a youngling in the contemplation of evil, and knows not the utmost that vice promises to her followers, and rejects it, is but a blank virtue, not a pure; her whiteness is but an excremental whiteness.

And though all the winds of doctrine were let loose to play upon the earth, so Truth be in the field, we do injuriously, by licensing and prohibiting, to misdoubt her strength. Let her and Falsehood grapple; who ever knew Truth put to the worse, in a free and open encounter? Her confuting is the best and surest suppressing. He who hears what praying there is for light and clearer knowledge to be sent down among us, would think of other matters to be constituted beyond the discipline of Geneva, framed and fabricked already to our hands. Yet when the new light which we beg for shines in upon us, there be who envy and oppose, if it come not first in at their casements. What a collusion is this, whenas we are exhorted by the wise man to use diligence, to seek for wisdom as for hidden treasures early and late, that another order shall enjoin us to know nothing but by statute? When a man hath been labouring the hardest labour in the deep mines of knowledge, hath furnished out his findings in all their equipage: drawn forth his reasons as it were a battle ranged: scattered and defeated all objections in his way; calls out his adversary into the plain, offers him the advantage of wind and sun, if he please, only that he may try the matter by dint of argument: for his opponents then to skulk, to lay ambushments, to keep a narrow bridge of licensing where the challenger should pass, though it be valour enough in soldiership, is but weakness and cowardice in the wars of Truth.

For who knows not that Truth is strong, next to the Almighty? She needs no policies, nor stratagems, nor licensings to make her victorious; those are the shifts and the defences that error uses against her power. Give her but room, and do not bind her when she sleeps

such as posting anything else at all

Date: 07/01/2025

Moderators: Joint Decision

chap470 has been banned permanently for overt Holocaust denial. He posted no other content to imply any interest in genuine engagement. Pure hate speech.

DebateArt exists to promote intellectual exchange, not to host historically illiterate provocations or serve as a platform for hatred disguised as discourse (this isn't 4Chan). Holocaust denial is not to be confused with a mere different viewpoint. It is a form of disinformation rooted in malice and bigotry, and it violates both the letter and spirit of the Code of Conduct.

This is not a ban on discussing WWII, nor events in and surrounding it. Holocaust denial is a well recognized form of extreme hate speech, used to justify calls for repeated genocide. ... Whereas something like denying Australia exists, is just a bit of harmless silliness; and is most certainly not connected to loser terrorists.

And as he was going out of the temple, one of his disciples said to him: Master, behold what manner of stones and what buildings are here.

And Jesus answering, said to him: Seest thou all these great buildings? There shall not be left a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.

And as he sat on the mount of Olivet over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him apart:

Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall begin to be fulfilled?

And Jesus answering, began to say to them, Take heed lest any man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and they shall deceive many.

And when you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, fear ye not. For such things must needs be, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and famines. These things are the beginning of sorrows.

But look to yourselves. For they shall deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues you shall be beaten, and you shall stand before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony unto them.

And unto all nations the gospel must first be preached.

And when they shall lead you and deliver you up, be not thoughtful beforehand what you shall speak; but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye. For it is not you that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

And the brother shall betray his brother unto death, and the father his son; and children shall rise up against the parents, and shall work their death.

And you shall be hated by all men for my name's sake. But he that shall endure unto the end, he shall be saved.

And when you shall see the abomination of desolation, standing where it ought not: he that readeth let him understand: then let them that are in Judea, flee unto the mountains:

And let him that is on the housetop, not go down into the house, nor enter therein to take any thing out of the house:

And let him that shall be in the field, not turn back to take up his garment.

And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days.

 But pray ye, that these things happen not in winter.

For in those days shall be such tribulations, as were not from the beginning of the creation which God created until now, neither shall be.

Go forth out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and out of thy father's house, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and magnify thy name, and thou shalt be blessed.

I will bless them that bless thee, and curse them that curse thee, and IN THEE shall all the kindred of the earth be blessed

 I will bless thee, and I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and as the sand that is by the sea shore: thy seed shall possess the gates of their enemies.

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Onkelos then went and raised Jesus the Nazarene from the grave through necromancy. Onkelos said to him: Who is most important in that world where you are now? Jesus said to him: The Jewish people. Onkelos asked him: Should I then attach myself to them in this world? Jesus said to him: Their welfare you shall seek, their misfortune you shall not seek, for anyone who touches them is regarded as if he were touching the apple of his eye (see Zechariah 2:12).

Onkelos said to him: What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages.

We have exiled beauty; the Greeks took arms for it. A basic difference but one that goes far back. Greek thought was always based on the idea of limits. Nothing was carried to extremes, neither religion nor reason, because Greek thought denied nothing, neither reason nor religion. It gave everything its share, balancing light with shade.

But the Europe we know, eager for the conquest of totality, is the daughter of excess. We deny beauty, as we deny everything that we do not extol. And, even though we do it in diverse ways, we extol one thing and one alone: a future world in which reason will reign supreme. In our madness, we push back the eternal limits, and at once dark Furies swoop down upon us to destroy. Nemesis, goddess of moderation, not of vengeance, is watching. She chastises, ruthlessly, all those who go beyond the limit.

The Greeks, who spent centuries asking themselves what was just, would understand nothing of our idea of justice. Equity, for them, supposed a limit, while our whole continent is convulsed by the quest for a justice we see as absolute. At the dawn of Greek thought, Heraclitus already conceived justice as setting limits even upon the physical universe itself: “The sun will not go beyond its bounds, for otherwise the Furies who watch over justice will find it out.”

We, who have thrown both universe and mind out of orbit, find such threats amusing. In a drunken sky we ignite the suns that suit us. But limits nonetheless exist and we know it. In our wildest madness we dream of an equilibrium we have lost, and which in our simplicity we think we shall discover once again when our errors cease—an infantile presumption, which justifies the fact that childish peoples, inheriting our madness, are managing our history today.

Since ideas differ as to what these values will be, since there is no struggle which, unhindered by these same values, does not extend indefinitely, we are now witnessing the Messianic forces confronting one another, their clamors merging in the shock of empires. Excess is a fire, according to Heraclitus. The fire is gaining ground; Nietzsche has been overtaken.

It is no longer with hammer blows but with cannon shots that Europe philosophizes. Nature is still there, nevertheless. Her calm skies and her reason oppose the folly of men. Until the atom too bursts into flame, and history ends in the triumph of reason and the death agony of the species. But the Greeks never said that the limit could not be crossed. They said it existed and that the man who dared ignore it was mercilessly struck down. Nothing in today’s history can contradict them.

Both the historical mind and the artist seek to remake the world. But the artist, through an obligation of his very nature, recognizes limits the historical mind ignores. This is why the latter aims at tyranny while the passion of the artist is liberty. All those who struggle today for liberty are in the final analysis fighting for beauty.

Of course, no one thinks of defending beauty solely for its own sake. Beauty cannot do without man, and we shall give our time its greatness and serenity only by sharing in its misery. We shall never again stand alone. But it is equally true that man cannot do without beauty, and this is what our time seems to want to forget.

We tense ourselves to achieve empires and the absolute, seek to transfigure the world before having exhausted it, to set it to rights before having understood it. Whatever we may say, we are turning our backs on this world. Ulysses, on Calypso’s island, is given the choice between immortality and the land of his fathers. He chooses this earth, and death with it. Such simple greatness is foreign to our minds today.

Carpenter is no different than any other female pop artist nowadays. Be a hoe, sing about being a hoe, dance like a hoe, and you'll be famous. That's how it is.

Listen to this whole song (2023) with headphones and then tell me if you've changed your mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXnwpSi1Jyk

I don't see you guys having any other politician who isn't running on some lunatic Christian brand or who isn't an Obama clone.

 Trump's popularity is in abusing the mentally unwell and broke Mexicans, somehow the new Jews of the American Nazi regime, except the Jews had fucking money. When does this translate into any actual good for anyone?

Trump's popularity is in abusing the mentally unwell

 I am not a corporatist.

For me, the state and God come before any corporate interest.

Like in my eyes the Musks and Gates should drop their ego and greed for the good of the nation(s) they are citizens and residents of (ideally both) without hesitation.

He even banned women leaving the cou try without fathers allowing it. He banned nurses marrying

Hasan is a shallow shill as far as I have seen.