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People would respond, "Then how come Trump can be a convicted felon while people get mad at Obama for wearing a tan suit?"

It's not white privilege; it's republican privilege.  Herschel Walker can be a hypocrite on multiple fronts; the American public on average will be more likely to defend it passionately than if Tim Waltz was hypocritical in the same way.

White privilege doesn't exist; republican privilege does.

1. If Trump shot someone, then would you still vote for him?

Don't dodge the question with a politician like answer.  

Answer yes or no; a politician dodge would be assumed to be a yes.

2. What if Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose voters?  Would you still vote for him?

For me, the answer is a no, both ways.

Me: Should billionaires who cheat people out get murdered?

Society: YES!!! (Both democrats and republicans). The republicans should stop calling themselves fiscally right wing if they make comments like that, but I digress.

Me: What about Trump (a billionaire who cheats people and does Jan 6?)

Society: NO!!! (Both democrats and republicans). The democrats should stop calling themselves anti Trump if they make comments like that, but I digress.

Society thinks the CEO should have gotten murdered and Trump shouldn't have.  For me; it's the opposite; only one of them did treason with Jan 6.

The left: The easiest way to prevent abortion is to give men vasectomies!

Me: I agree; start in the hood where Jammals and Tyrones are causing women to suffer unplanned pregnancies and putting women in a vulnerable position where they have to abort!  Then you expand to the suburbs.  No snip, no smash.

The left: RACIST!!!

Me: By my definition, I don't think I'm racist.  I want to abolish ICE, take down CSA statues and end the war on drugs.  By your standards (supporting any policy that happens to coincidentally treat black people worse on average), I'm a proud racist.

If this offends you, then I don't care.  Labels don't matter; proposed policies do.

If someone r@pes in 1980 and it takes 10 years to prosecute them (Diddy took 7; Epstein took 11), then they get prosecuted in 1990.

Trump didn't get prosecuted until he ran for POTUS; then his haters were desperate.

He is a racist and I would not vote for him, but he didn't r@pe.

I heard from somewhere that they were.

Pedophiles are like rats and they should be experimented on.  They are the one group that I'm fine with treading on.

If that offends you, then I don't care.

They are worse than murderers.

You can say I'm bigoted and that I'm pedophobic; well; you're correct.  All sane people are.

Anyone that disagrees should not have children because they value a pedo more than their child.

Pretty much everyone would say yes.

In our timeline, would you go back in time and kill baby Trump?  Would you kill POTUS Trump if you knew you could get away with it?

Either you answer yes to that or you don't believe Trump is as bad as Hitler (possibly both; Hitler killed millions; you could murder one person directly and I'd want you killed over it).

I hate Trump, but he's not Hitler level bad to me.

Thinking about it, I'm starting to prefer Trump to Harris (although I hate both; I prefer Oliver).

Harris: Trump is a bigot, a felon, and a threat to democracy!

Me: Why don't you go on JRE and defend your position?

Harris: I won't be able to convince many people or vice versa; so there's no point.

Me: Trump said the same thing about a 2nd debate with you and you called him a coward.

Harris: XYZ.

How do the hardcore Harris people counter that?  It doesn't matter how much better Kevin Durant is than me at basketball; if there is a game scheduled between both of us and he doesn't show up, then I'm going to win by default.

And I'm consistent here; I prefer Warnock to Walker and Lake to Hobbs; Walker and Hobbs are debate dodgers; if you're running for POTUS, then show up to your debates.

Being a debate dodging politician is a 3rd rail to me because it implies that you can't defend your worldview (and to me, a Rogan interview counts as a debate whereas a CNN, NBC, FOX, or OAN interview does not count as a debate because they have much less battleground minded audiences than JRE does).

(assuming it's consensually; I respect a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants to refuse sex).

I'm not the underdog.

Underdog is pro life (I'm pro life, and Trump told a woman to get an abortion that resulted from his sex).  I'm pro choice (until the moment of birth).

UD is religious (Why are people tearing down certain statues?).  I'm an atheist; I hate all religion.

US supports the US annexing Panama (Should the US annex Panama?).  I'm against this.

We are not the same person.  I'm just finding random things he said.

Why I would rather have my tax dollars go to give free healthcare to an undocumented immigrant family than a trailer park family

The former is actually grateful for the money; the ladder disparages it as socialist.

The trailer parks should lose all their federal funding and their children should starve unless the parents take care of them because they call help to the area, "socialist" as an insult (whether you personally believe it's socialist is irrelevant; they believe it's socialist as an insult).

How is giving free healthcare to undocumented immigrants socialist and doing the same thing to the trailer parks isn't?  Either they are both socialist or neither are.

At least the undocumented want the help; the trailer parks have unearned pride.

I don't think the penalty for theft should be jail; it should be whippings.  I don't want my tax dollars going to take care of thieves.  Thieves may endure suffering from whippings; but I'm not a leftist, so I don't care.  My money matters more than their bodily autonomy to me.

If a leftist disagrees, then it's understandable because they care about reducing suffering; I just don't.  Suffering is temporary; often short term, so I don't care if people endure it largely.  I care more about funding public schools better than funding people in jail (who are economic parasites).

Fuck Trump.

I judge by the content of character; not the chromosomes in a POTUS.

If Hilliary lost, then I get that.  She leaned into her gender way too much and people wanted policy instead of identity politics.

Harris did not do that.  She ran on, "free breakfast and lunch for kids".  Trump ran on, "Banning Porn and closing the border even though we're a nation of immigrants" and, "Haitians are eating the pets".

Waltz had a higher approval rating than Harris and still does.

If I'm honest; I think if Waltz was at the top of the ticket, then Trump easily could have lost.

They say Harris is far left (can't state why except she's from a very blue state, which would make Larry Elder far left and they cite some government study on how people vote while saying they can't trust government studies).

I don't care if she's far left; she's nowhere as extreme as Mr. Jan 6 because she thinks transwomen are women (and what does it mean to be extreme?).  Give me a definition, not an example.

Harris'es policies are generally speaking more popular than Trump's.

She ran a much better campaign than Clinton and got demolished (whereas Clinton lost by a whisker).

People just see Harris as soft (which is code for a woman).

Gender shouldn't matter; to MAGA world; it kindof does.

Trump: I want no tax on tips.

Waiters: Yeah!

Harris: I want the same thing!

Waiters: Why aren't you doing it then if you agree with it?

Harris: I'm not in charge; Biden is.  His brain works fine.

Waiters: Why doesn't Biden comment on the issue (whether or not he agrees)?  If he doesn't agree, then he should justify it; if he does agree, then he should pass it since MAGA world and Biden world agree.

How would the blue voter respond to this?

MAGA: Trump doesn't support Project 2025 which would ban porn.

Me: Yes he does; his staff admits to it here

MAGA: We agree with him!

Me: Anyone who supports banning porn should not call themselves libertarian.

MAGA: Hate speech is free speech!  If it's incorrect, then use counter speech to correct it.

Me: If the counter speech comes from a left source, then you say it's leftist propaganda.  If the counter speech comes from a neutral source, then you say it's deep state propaganda.  If the counter speech comes from a right wing source, then you say it's RINO propaganda.  

Counter speech doesn't work on those who are in a cult!  All speech they disagree with they assume is propoganda and they dismiss it, no matter how accurate the propoganda is.

That's why I think the only type of political speech that should be allowed is speech that adds to the following program produced by the free market:

You love Trump because of policy group A (which can encompass multiple policies or maybe just 1).  If Harris enacted everything in group A, then you would still hate her.

You hate Harris because of policy group B (which can encompass multiple policies or maybe just 1).  If Trump enacted everything in group B, then you would still love Trump.

You don't have any consistent moral worldview; you just follow a cult of personality.

If Trump did a rally in a Klan uniform and argued the Klan isn't racist; they just stand for their people; then you would simultaneously believe the KKK aren't racist while claiming the democrats are racist for getting endorsed by the KKK (allegedly).

If Harris defends legalized IVF; you call her a baby killer.  If Trump does it, you say he's pro family.

If Harris does inflation; you get angry at her over it.  If Trump does it, then you don't care.

Trump can give free gender surgeries to illegal immigrants in prison and you guys don't care (but would be outraged about it if Harris did it) (Did Trump offer medical care to transgender prisoners? | verifythis.com).  

You guys will criticize Trump for taking the vaccine, but that's only because he trashed it for so long.

You guys will wrap yourselves up in the 1st amendment until Trump calls for banning radical Islamic anti semitic speech, then you will say, "We got to ban hate speech" (only when it's Muslims; not white nationalists).

Your party is a fucking joke; it is a cult of personality, and it's why I left the GOP in August.

Good fucking riddance!  GOP = MAGA and I'm out.  I have TDS and I'm proud too have it.  If it offends the MAGA snowflakes on here, IDGAF!

Early Voting and Mail-In Ballots by State 2024 Results.

Apparently, there are more republican voters that have cast a ballot nationally then republican voters that requested a mail in ballot to begin with.

Why is that?

The experts: Climate change is real!  Solve climate change!  We are trustworthy.  When have we been wrong before in the 21st century?

Me: Some examples.  You've said:

I don't trust you guys.

If Harris'es reason for not doing the Rogan show is she believes virtually no voters are gettable and would rather just energize the voters she already has, I don't agree with her opinion on this, but I respect this and would therefore change my preference from Trump > Harris to Harris > Trump.

Harris: Trump is a racist, sexist, homophobe, transphobe, xenophobe, convicted felon, and a threat to democracy!  He quotes Hitler!

Me: If you believe these things, then will you go on Rogan's podcast and defend these claims?

Harris: No!  I have more important things to do (like campaign with Beyonce to a bunch of people who will already vote for me instead of Rogan's relatively independent audience).  I like echo chambers.  I'll accuse Trump of being a debate dodger even though he showed up to the Rogan interview (reaches about the same # of people as the debate, and probably a better quality of people because Rogan viewers are more open to changing their views than POTUS debate watchers).

Me: Now, I can't take you seriously.  Any bad claim you make about Trump I just can't take seriously if you're unwilling to defend these claims to Rogan (who is not extreme at all).

To me, this is as bad as dodging a debate.  I don't support Katie Hobbs, Herschel Walker, and Kamala Harris for the same reason; they don't have the guts to defend their positions to the genuine swing voter.  I don't vote for cowards.  Trump had the guts to defend his views to Rogan; Harris didn't.

Of course, if it was the opposite, then Trump would claim it's rigged.

Since the tide is against Harris now, it means it's not rigged and she should get out there and state policies like what MAGA claims they want her to do (hint: she's done that here and MAGA world can find literally no disagreement with it and they will still not vote for her because they will vote for Trump no matter what because MAGA world does not care about policy).  They're in a cult and I don't see how anyone can disagree with that at this point.  If they get angry at me for being unhinged; then I can respond that Trump is more unhinged; he called the left the enemy of the people; I'm merely wanting people to break out of a cult.

This is why America needs to break up; red America can have Trump as their King; I won't care; I don't live there.  Blue America can get annexed by Canada so we still have free and fair elections (that MAGA only thinks are free and fair if Trump wins).  MAGA calls every democrat POTUS candidate radical left; if the democrats had RFK be their candidate, then MAGA would eventually call RFK radical left (as Trump has done before and MAGA world eats it up without thinking).

Lets just split up at this point.  Trump can have an absolute monarchy in red America; I just want no part of it in New England.

Trump said he wants abortion up to the states.

The only reason a state would want to ban abortion is if they see it as murder.

But if you think abortion is murder, then you'd want it banned everywhere.

His argument is different entities have their own views on abortion so local entities should make the call.  However, the most local government out there is the individual person, so from that perspective, if you're being consistent, then individuals would get to decide if abortion is legal for their own bodies (until the moment of birth, if we're really going to let local entities decide their own policies just like the policy in Alaska). Jennifer might be willing to abort at 29 weeks; Sabrina might be willing to abort until 20 weeks; Emily and Fiona might be a bit more conservative since they go to church; they might ban themselves from allowing abortion to be done to their territory.

The most logical interpretation of Trump's, "leave it up to the states because it's more decentralized" is to decentralize it up to each individual person (and if this means some people will abort late term for whatever reason they want, then so be it).

Feel free to share this with everyone you know chain reaction style.

The average Trump voter in a small town has to drive 20 miles to the polls; 40 miles round trip.  Assuming 20 mpg, this is 2 gallons ($4/gallon), means voting for Trump costs $6 for them.

If Trump will easily win the election (or the elites will rig it so Harris easily wins), then there is no point in wasting $8 for an election already settled with the price of gas in this economy.

The US should end illegal immigration with open borders so nobody would be here illegally (debateart.com) post 37 indicates a pro underdog position.

I've heard people disapproving of him though.  I've never heard this sentiment about anyone on DART so quickly.

But yeah, do you like or dislike underdog?  This doesn't effect me personally.

In America, talking politics at work is considered taboo.  In Canada, it isn't; it's a literal pastime in Canada (it's like talking about baseball in the US).

Canadians on average therefore, talk more about politics than Americans do.

This is why Canada is so much more left wing than America.  Free speech turns people closer to Canada's leftism over America's conservatism.

If right wingers like free speech so much, then alright; but keep in mind free speech shifts people to the left on average (at least on the Canada, America spectrum).

The right has been telling me that anyone who votes against Trump and prefers Harris to Trump is a Marxist.

Alright; I don't care about the label; I'm a Marxist as well as about half the country (actually there would be more Marxists than non Marxists in the US).

There are a lot of Marxists in the US, I'm one of them, and there's strength in numbers if you equate democrat with Marxist.

I'm a Marxist because I would rather see starving kids get food in their stomachs than give tax cuts to globalists like George Soros.

Anybody that disagrees with this statement values George Soros'es tax cuts more than the life of a starving child.

Common counter arguments to this idea:

No.  I don't want to adopt anyone citizen or undocumented.  This is totally different than a citizen or undocumented moving into a home 5 blocks away with a consenting landlord and them paying rent.

So execute them if they do that, but most are fine.  Same standard for the native born.

So are the trailer parks; at least the migrants want the welfare; trailer parks call their welfare socialist as an insult.  I'd easily rather give welfare money to immigrants who don't insult the help over trailer parks that do by calling it socialist.  I'd rather give money to the grateful.

If that's the case, then who cares?  The immigration test 1/3 of Americans can't pass and they can vote.  Either let anyone vote regardless of documentation status or require passing the citizenship test to vote regardless of if you're born here or not.

Who objectively cares if the GOP dies?  It's not your kid dying; it's an organization being dissolved (and this has happened all throughout history).  The Whigs died out; the federalists died out, they were just replaced with new parties.  It's just the GOP's turn to die.  Don't worry, some other party will take their place.  At this point, Trump is the GOP, if Harris dies, the democrats find someone else.  If Waltz dies, then the democrats find someone else.  If Trump dies, then the GOP MAGA base are lost sheep; Trump is their party; if the assassination attempt on him succeeded, then who would be the GOP party head?  JD Vance?  He's not a popular guy (when he wants to ban porn and undisputedly supports project 2025).  Sometimes parties die.  There's historical precedent for it.

Make up your mind.  The fact that you say this implies you just bandwagon whatever you hear from MAGA media.  It's not being racist; but it's being a bandwagoner that can't think for themselves.

Make up your mind.  The fact that you say this implies you just bandwagon whatever you hear from MAGA media.  It's not being racist; but it's being a bandwagoner that can't think for themselves.

Cap; you can easily be an open borders nation.

I prefer mainstream media to MAGA media.  Mainstream media seems more reliable.

Harrica (Harris America) should be separated from Trumplica (Trump America).

This nation is too ideologically divided; Trumplica should be able to have Trump become their King in an absolute monarchy if they so choose; Harrica should be allowed to break away and join Canada.  This should be done peacefully, and I believe this regardless of who wins in 2024; large numbers of people will riot if things don't go their way regardless of who wins.

The US should just split up and Harrica should get annexed by Canada.  That I think is the most pragmatic way for both sides to get what they want.

To all the Trump supporters on this site, what is required to occur in order for you to denounce your support for Trump?

If any of the following occur, then will your support for Trump cease:

?

If the answer to all of these scenario is no, then it's safe to assume that you will vote for Trump no matter what.

As a result, if we're being honest, then counterspeech to address what you're saying is pointless.  You won't change your mind no matter what.  Like, I would argue if Trump never called Mexicans r@pists, never said Hatians were eating pets, never did Jan 6, and any incorrect or horrible claim he makes, he merely apologizes for, then I definitely would be more willing to vote for him.

But I don't vote for crazy.