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@zedvictor4
What you said was that belief is acceptance without proof. How could proof be belief without proof if belief is proof?
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@7000series
I absolutely agree with this.
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@Best.Korea
I've encountered some odd people online in the last 30 years, and I don't know if the observation I'm about to make is a reflection of my age in a younger crowd or if it's something to do with y'all, but I think you're the oddest bunch of posters I've ever come across. You seem brighter than the usual but odd little tits as well. I think I could get used to that.
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@FLRW
That reminds me of the Latin term Deus Vult, rallying cry of the first crusade. God wills it.
God isn't on America or Britian's side. In fact they are the last superpower referred to in the Bible.
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@Stephen
Sorry, I didn't see this until now.
So is your world somewhere else other than the planet you were born on?
In a sense, yes. Jesus and the apostles when writing the Bible used the word katabole. It's the same as the English word fuck. It means throwing or laying down seed. (Hebrew 11:11; Luke 11:50) So, there have been many worlds. Jesus and his followers were on the same planet as I'm on.
You have a website (un-named) that is most certainly part of the world that you claim not to belong to.
Yeah. Revelation In Space (for desktop)- it's just a hobby. Observing the world doesn't mean taking a part of it. I don't vote or otherwise influence legislation. Won't fight in wars, things like that. Don't pledge allegience to a flag.
You also have opinions about the world that you exist on but claim not to belong to.
Correct. I'm assuming you have opinions about my world which you claim not to belong to?
Which "pagan influences" did they remove?
The immortal soul from Socrates, Trinity from Plato, Cross from Constantine, Hell from Milton/Dante, Christmas from Saturnalia and Dickens, Easter from Astarte, Rapture from Darby to name a few.
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@Mall
I certainly don't think the state is separate from religion. It should be, but it isn't. A distinction should be made between those who use church for ungodly purposes and those who are no part of the world. Unfortunate "Christians" are in for a surprise, but the question remains are they sincere? Their actual God isn't who they think it is.
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Christianity in general became apostate in 325 CE with the political influence of Constantine the Great and his blasphemous Nicaean Creed. Of course, Paul had commented upon apostacy at 2 Timothy 4:3-4 before that. He used the Greek word mythos (myth), later translated into the Latin fabulas (fables) when warning of the interest of apostate Christians. No religion has ever remained true to itself. Occidental apostate Christianity is nothing new. Nationalism, which, of course, is of no use to a true follower of Christ. Christianity is used by conservatives for their fake sociopolitical ideology.
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@FrancisWarren
Check out this post for rookies such as ourselves. Welcome, by the way.
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@Best.Korea
Strong military.
It worked for Dick Cheney.
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@Best.Korea
And a pretty good explanation. Cheers.
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@Best.Korea
Aww so you no longer do butt stuff?
I no longer do any stuff. That's why I'm so grouchy. Anyway, you'd have to be more specific about butt stuff. I still have complete normal butt activity of a non-sexual nature, the usual removal of bodily wastse. But I guess that goes without saying. Reminds me of an old Monty Python scketch which I can put a personal spin on for your specific tastses. A joke: Ahem. Have you heard about this, have you seen this? Apparently Hitler had an asshole transplant? The asshole rejected him.
Thank you very much ladies and gents, you've been wonderful . . .
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@Best.Korea
Hitler still lives in many people's hearts.
You, in particular, seem to be enamored with the old dude. Why?
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@Best.Korea
Attraction doesnt seem like a choice. I mean, if it was a choice, person could change it any time a person chooses. However, it just seems impossible to change an attraction by choice.
Yah, I can agree with that. Up to a point. It isn't necessarily about attraction, though. It could be about necessity or power, for example.
Homosexual man could try not to look at men. However, he would still have imagination, because he would not be able to forget how men look like.
What about pedophilia or beastiality? I personally am a homosexual male who abandoned my sexual practices after becoming a Bible believer. I'm still gay, still have that attraction, I have just decided not to act on it.
Acting on an attraction is a choice, of course. Therefore, when homosexual man chooses to act on his attraction, that is choice.
Yes.
Lets think of this in a different way. God could have made me a homosexual. If He did, I would not be able to change it. I cannot change attraction by simply wishing it to change.
Correct.
Excuse me. Let me play with this spacing. I read something about it here in the instructions, but I'm not sure what was meant. Single space here.
Now, Bible tells us not to judge, not to seek revenge and to love everyone. That is what The New Testament is about.
Hmm. Firstly, the term Old and New Testament is a misnomer based upon a mistranslation. That's pedantic of me, but true. So, I may use the terms loosly for common distinction. Having said that, the Bible is often sort of misreperesented by theology. So, the sort of expectations that may arise from your above oversimplification may or may not be entirely accurate from a Biblical perspective. We are to judge and hate the wicked, but that doesn't mean taking an adversarial position. To "seek revenge" for example. A lot of that is ideological more than anything.
That doesnt mean that we cannot tell homosexuals who engage in homosexual acts that what they are doing is wrong and that God will punish them for it.Attraction is not a choice. Action is.
Well, hmmm. Not really. What we can tell them is that God finds homosexuality abhorent, unatural, and that practicing the act is the same as any other sexual deviation. Now, at the same time we are not appointed moral police of the world outside the congregation. To give you some idea, when becoming a believer I had the choice, and for a long time I chose the homosexual lifestyle. Knowing that that was an abominible practice to God and that I would suffer the consequence. Everlasting destruction. I eventually decided to choose to end the practice.
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@FLRW
You know that God created homosexuals due to his poor design, don't you?
Evidence?
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@Mall
I personally think forgiveness is crucial to good mental health. The more forgiving you are the more humble. The Biblical Hebrew word for humility means to be aware of your weaknesses as well as your strengths. Even raised as atheist/irreligious I picked up on that very young, long before becoming a believer. What makes it harder? Ego, ideology. I believe all sin comes from one and the same source. So, no matter how much a person is made to look like a monster, you (in the royal sense, me, you and everyone) could do the same damage. Seeing that, and the need for forgiveness, makes you more self aware.
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@Best.Korea
I'm not interested much in Hitler to come up with 5 things. The animal rights thing was impressive. His loyalty was impressive, but I loathe nationalism. He was a pretty good artist. Well, not bad. I've seen a lot worse. He was propped up by Prescott/Bush and people like Henry Ford. To act as a bulwark to the Bolshevik invasion. So, I was able to use the word bulwark in a sentence which I've always longed to do. Like most government leaders he could appreciate a good false flag operation.
If I may, from an old post of my own long ago, some facts about the Holocaust:
1. God created one race. The human race. We all come from one human couple.
2. God created the nation of Israel. Jehovah is the God of the Jews.
3. God selected the people. They were his chosen people.
4. The Bible was written by Jews, and is mostly about the Jewish people. Including the persecution and death of many, by, among others, the Babylonians, Greeks, and themselves.
5. My lord and savior, Jesus Christ, was a Jew. As were all of his early disciples and the apostles.
6. Semitic is a language. The Jews and the Arabs, sworn enemies, both speak that language.
Question? Are you anti-Semitic if you deny or criticize any of this? [1]
Note: The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917 for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people.
1. The word holocaust means whole burnt offering. Wikipedia The camps weren't death camps, they were forced labor camps. These camps, like the British/American camps in Europe, were places where people were horribly abused, killed, and due to the destruction of the infrastructure towards the end of the war, had no supplies to feed and care for them.
A) People were tattooed. Why tattoo someone you're just going to gas and cremate? People weren't put to death upon arrival, which is why there are photos of emaciated people at the end of the war in these camps. To be in such a state would take months. It should be noted that photos of bulldozers pushing piles of corpses into pits depict soldiers with British uniforms, not German doing the burial.
B) The prisoners were issued ID cards, had their own Jewish currency to spend at the commissary, had their own post office and stamps, swimming pools, soccer team, and theatres where they put on variety shows. Musicals, plays, concerts. Their clothes were taken, hair shaven and showers were given upon arrival to prevent disease and parasites. Like in prisons or the armed forces in the USA.
2. From the late 1940s until the 1990s after the fall of the Soviet Union, a plaque at Auschwitz state: "Four million people suffered and died here at the hands of the Nazi murderers between the years 1940 and 1945" Then it was replaced with "For ever let this place be a cry of despair and a warning to humanity, where the Nazis murdered about one and a half million men, women, and children, mainly Jews from various countries of Europe." Later still, the plaque said: "Auschwitz was the largest Nazi German Concentration camp and death camp in the years 1940-1945, the Nazis deported at least 1,300, 000 Jews, 140,000-150,000, Poles, 23,000 Roma (Gypsies), 15, 000 Soviet Prisoners of war, 25,000 prisoners from other ethnic groups. 1.100,00 of these people died in Auschwitz. Approximately 90% of the victims were Jews, The SS murdered majority of them in gas chambers."
So, at Auschwitz alone the number goes from four million to less than a million. Does that change the 6 million number?
Thousands of publications were published going back to the 1800s proclaiming 6 million Jews would be killed. [2]
1. It isn't possible to have killed even 1 million with the facilities at Auschwitz. They had 52 cremation ovens. It is claimed they had the ability to cremate 4,756 bodies per day. That's 91 per day in each oven. That's 4 people per hour. 15 minutes per body. With today's technology it's only possible to cremate 1 body in 2-2 1/2 hours. Keeping in mind that it would only be possible if the equipment ran 24/7 with no maintenance or removal of the remains. The ovens had only enough room for 1 body.
[1] In ignorance I used to think "Holocaust Denial" was racist bigotry. Until I learned the truth. From a Jew. A college student who had questions about the historicity of the Holocaust narrative and who had to go into hiding after serious injuries sustained in a beating by a Jewish organization. This is his documentary on Auschwitz in which he goes there and demonstrates some of the serious problems of that narrative.
[2] Six Million Lies. Publications going back to the 1800s on six million Jews, proven false stories and testimonies, and population statistics.
This "Pastor's" theology is horrible, but he has good evidence regarding the Holocaust during the first half of this video
The official Holocaust narrative is largely disproven. Zyklon B gas residue count was high in delousing chambers, low in alleged homicidal chambers, over 95% used for disinfection and only 5% for homicide? Auschwitz camp death records were withheld by the Soviets until 1989, Math didn't add up. Discredited charges made at Nuremberg by Soviets: Steam chambers at Treblinka, Electro chambers, Nazis responsible for Katyn Forest massacre when it was actually the Soviets themselves, they claimed Nazis made shrunken heads, human skin lampshades, and soap, and that 20,000 Jews were assembled in a makeshift village, and blown up with an atomic bomb, etc.
1. The term 6 million has significant figurative meaning to many Jewish people, well documented as far back as the 1880s as shown in the second video I provided a link to. 6 million Jews were have said to perish in a virtually endless number of ways well before Hitler's Nazi party took control. It was a political smokescreen to garner support for the 1917 Balfour Declaration (also linked to in the OP) and play the victim card throughout the subsequent years, even still today.
2. The word Holocaust, as used in the Spanish Bible and translated from the Hebrew/Greek as indicated in the Wikipedia article I linked to, means sacrifice, or specifically "whole burnt offering." Moses was told, for example, to provide a holocausto after leaving the ark. The conclusion that the very real events of World War II, which killed millions of people, including a rough estimate of 70 million Soviets, has some particular significance with the Jewish people seems suspicious pandering to me. Pop culture and allied proven propaganda of the allies doesn't make it look any better to me. Far more serious atrocities were ignored comparatively speaking.
1. The doors of the alleged gas chambers opened from the inside.
2. The gas used in buildings of the camp was used to kill disease carrying parasites. Decades after the war, the walls of the alleged gas chambers (showers) where humans were supposed to have been gassed were tested for this poison and none was found. The walls where they disinfected the clothes had noticeable evidence of the gas.
Does science cower from war time propaganda turned into popularized ideology? Do you REALLY care about facts? The answer is yes to the first question and no to the second.
How come I'm such a pig for denying wartime propaganda so easily proven false and you wouldn't say the same for any of the atheists who mock, scorn, criticize and deny the events reported in the Bible? I deny the validity of disproven Russian war time propaganda and they deny Jewish history in which far more people were destroyed. By others, including themselves.
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@JoeBob
When I was a kid I remember Pong, and those old games. Atari, Coleco Vision, then Nintendo. I got into Sega Saturn for a while. Lots of games, you either remember or not. I'm not much of a gamer, though I did become sort of addicted to the PS2. Only God of War and Grand Theft Auto. Vice City and San Andreas were like home away from home for me. I like the artwork and sort of quasi-adventure. I have a PS3 now. And still the same franchises. But they have become so real and complicated I don't play as much as I did with the PS2. So, yeah. I'm old. Not much of a gamer.
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@Best.Korea
My experience on forums like this (they used to be much more common) is that small minded people call anyone they disagree with ideologically a "troll." It's a lame excuse to silence dissent. Real trolls, that is, idiots, sort of intrigue me a little bit. If they are interesting. Sometimes they actually are.
I don't care about trolls. If they bother you ignoring them probably won't work. You probably really just want them to go away.
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@Best.Korea
So, a debt based economy and fractional reserve banking?
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@Mall
Yes, to the first question. I have no idea about the Bronco, though.
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@7000series
Do people still watch TV?! I stopped doing that when I was 12. Watching TV, that is. I'm old as hell, so Sanford and Sun was on at that time. There have been a few exceptions. British Comedy. Ab-Fab, Fawlty Towers, and Northern Exposure, Homicide: Life on the Streets, Rosanne the old Twilight Zone.
I'll watch House and the best TV show ever, South Park on DVR, but no.
Ideas? Hmmm. How about two waste management artisans (Trashmen) driving their trash truck in a small American rural area in the Midwest, under some sort of influence, and playing together in a local garage rock band?
No?
What about an android who is imprinted with the soul of a lifelong atheist and ordained to pursue a spiritual journey of discovery during a global revolution which destroyed all monetary incentive, i.e. governments, religion, commerce, allowing an unprecidented period of science and technology?
Well, you think about it . . .
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I'm David. Screen name here Raymond Sheen.
Uh - I'm apolitical and irreligious.
A Bible believer, observer of practical spirituality.
I've been debating religion, the Bible and spirituality online since 1996.
I don't have a problem with religion itself but I loath ideological fixation. The unwashed heathen I will gladly tolerate but the xenophobic, narcasistic ideologues and woke bullshit makes my bald head stand on it's end, as it were.
So, I don't give a flying fuck about Trump or Bidden et cetera.
I can be a real nice guy or I can be a prick. When in Rome.
Nothing I say here matters much. Maybe we'll get to know each other.
My reason for being here is for feedback. If pressed - necessary - I can debate for the sake of debate, but I prefer to discuss and learn about why other people say what they believe in. Grammatically, I'm retarded. Frank Herbert's Dune and Douglas Adams HHGTTG are awesome. I like music and art. I spend most of my spare time working on my website.
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@Stephen
So, this is a sociopolitical or ideological concern. At Matthew 5:38-40 Jesus admonishes the Jewish practice of taking the law into your own hands. Eye for eye was designed as a legal matter after being judged in court. They began using it for justification of personal retribution. A slap to the face was considered an insult rather than an act of violence. Jesus wasn't advocating passivity, he was saying stop getting involved in personal petty disputes.
Jesus and his followers are no part of the world. Satan is the God of the world. The world will be destroyed, while the meek inherit the earth and live forever upon it in peace. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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@FLRW
My question to Jim Bakker, Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein is: Do you believe in God?1. Jim-YES2.Stephen-NO3. Albert-NO
Seriously? Was that their answers?
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@zedvictor4
Belief is basically, acceptance without proof.
Oxford defines proof as evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement and truth as a fact or belief that is accepted as true. The Latin word credit means to believe. From that word credence, credential, credible, credit, credo, credulous, creed. Knowing is only believing.
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@Mall
It seems nonsensical to me. A god is by definition anything or anyone that is venerated whether or not the god exists in a literal sense it is nevertheless a god.
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