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@bmdrocks21
oh no oh no no no that figure has ben completely debunked but thanks for falling right in to a trap that i can debunk!! god you people are so fucking stupid you quote bullshit, does it hurt being tha stupid does it? its killing me, i need another tylonol just to deal with all your stupid
"Every year, the FBI releases the Uniform Crime Report (UCR), a national set of crime statistics which is compiled from data submitted by the nation’s roughly 18,000 police departments. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, the UCR is one of the two official sources, along with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Fatal Injury Reports, from which the nation’s homicide rate is measured. Unlike the FBI, the CDC’s report collects data from death certificates reported by physicians, medical examiners and coroners. Per the UCR, 9,103 murders were committed with firearms in 2015, while the CDC’s figure is significantly higher — 12,979.
For murder data, the FBI figures are broken down by type of weapons used in the following categories: Total firearms; handguns; rifles; shotguns; firearms — type unknown; knives or cutting instruments; other weapons; and hands, fists, feet, et cetera. These figures are provided to the FBI by state agencies that collect encoded crime data from individual police departments.
this is fbi data by the way fbi data you can go to their site and see everything i say is 100% true
According to the most recently updated (as of 2018) FBI data for 2016, the year referenced in the Breitbart article, 10,372 of the 15,318 murders in the United States were committed with firearms. Handguns were the most common type of firearm used in 6,762 cases. In 2,891 cases, the type of gun was not reported to the FBI or was listed as “other” while in 1,853 instances, the weapon was not identified or was listed as “other.”
It’s unlikely that a total of only 374 murders in the U.S. (a figure since revised to 300) were committed with rifles in 2016, given the fact that in more than 4,000 cases the weapon or type of gun was not specified in the UCR. What is clear from the figures, however, is that handguns are by far the most-used murder weapon, probably because they are easier to transport and conceal. Phillip Cook, Terry Sanford Professor Emeritus of Public Policy Studies at Duke University, told us: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/four-times-more-stabbed-than-rifles-any-kind/
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@bmdrocks21
you want to see my gibberish? you perve
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@bmdrocks21
you know what an autoloader is i assume slf laoding rifles, total and complet ban just to teach you a lesson i was going to allow exception but if you sinist on being a littl bitch, we need to show you who is actually in charge here
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Semi-automatic rifles kill twice as many as other guns, study finds
CHICAGO — Gunmen with semi-automatic rifles wound and kill twice as many people as those using non-automatic weapons, although the chances of dying if shot with either type of weapon are the same, a new analysis shows.
Researchers examined FBI data on nearly 250 "active shooter" incidents in the United States since 2000. Almost 900 people were wounded and 718 were killed.
One in four of these attacks involved semi-automatic rifles. These weapons automatically load each bullet after firing, although firing requires pulling the trigger for each round.
Recent attacks involving semi-automatics include the shootings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida; the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida; and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
Researchers who examined FBI data on nearly 250 "active shooter" assaults also found that the chances of dying, if shot, were the same no matter the weapon.
Researchers examined FBI data on nearly 250 "active shooter" incidents in the United States since 2000. Almost 900 people were wounded and 718 were killed.
Recent attacks involving semi-automatics include the shootings at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida; the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida; and Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
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Semi-automatic
rifles kill twice as many as other guns, study finds
Researchers who examined FBI data on nearly 250 "active shooter" assaults also found that the chances of dying, if shot, were the same no matter the weapon.
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@bmdrocks21
you sir are a coward and a bully, you act tough but you are the type to start a fight run hide call the police and play the victim, you are so trangender , you have such a sandy vagina
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@bmdrocks21
no that is not the definition of semi automatic and you know it you make a straw man argument pay attention retard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FCYJPwvqxY A semi-automatic firearm, also called self-loading firearm or autoloading firearm (though fully automatic and selective fire firearms technically are also self-loading), is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridges remain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.
Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher produced the first successful design for a semi-automatic rifle in 1885, and by the early 20th century, many manufacturers had introduced semi-automatic shotguns, rifles and pistols.
In military use, self-loading rifles were barely used in World War I, and most armies in World War II also still relied upon bolt-action rifles, with the exception of the Americans, who in 1937 had adopted the M1 Garand as the standard-issue infantry weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
In military use, self-loading rifles were barely used in World War I, and most armies in World War II also still relied upon bolt-action rifles, with the exception of the Americans, who in 1937 had adopted the M1 Garand as the standard-issue infantry weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
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a limit of ten rounds on magazines like the old assualt weapons ban would placate me, how in gods name can anyone justify needing more than that in a civilian sceneario?
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@HistoryBuff
and and they want war in venezuela too stil that big hard on for the commies enemies of profit
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@HistoryBuff
this dude was a trump clone that says something
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@HistoryBuff
people are angry to say inequality isnt an issue is to ignore reality
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trump is a bad smell that will stay with the republicans
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@HistoryBuff
look when democrats start to win in the south, its significant, this isnt 50 years ago it isnt een 25 years ago the south was solid democrat and is today solid republicans
due to changes that occured in both parties the republican party moving to the right , and the democratic party as always trying to please as many voters as possible, but this was big, this hurts both trump and the republicans, trump is a stick that is going to stay with the republican apolstry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QioLlsL9pmI
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@ethang5
he was a pig like trump and that rotten apple will spoil your barrel for years because you lacked the guts to confront him you were gutless and opportunistic
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@HistoryBuff
people are angry, i never thought i'd hear the word socialism uttered by mainstream politicians, for me its a sort of redemption people literally thought i was psychotic when i started babbling about socialism 40 years ago it was a dying ideology it was dead and never coming back.. guess what the fool on the hill? he sees the world spinning round and round and round
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@Imabench
new zealand is a veritable paradice legantum ranks it right behind norway as not only being a nice place to live but do business too, and work
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@bmdrocks21
no no the are not its about 40% actually , fuck you i'm not afraid to die, why would i fear to be banned this is war ass hole i am tired of being polite
Nobody has good numbers on this.
Right about half of handgun sales are semi-autos, most likely.
About 40% of rifle sales (by some counts) are semi-auto.
Percentages have moved with time. Both types have seen semi-auto become more popular over time.
Right about half of handgun sales are semi-autos, most likely.
About 40% of rifle sales (by some counts) are semi-auto.
Percentages have moved with time. Both types have seen semi-auto become more popular over time.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/1... has a table that indicates that it was about 28% in 1997. As my friend Mike Stork has convinced me, purchases since then are going to be pretty heavily skewed towards semiautomatics. This table says there are a little less than 200 million guns in the US then. As we now have over 300 million the fraction of semi’s is undoubtedly much higher.
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/1... has a table that indicates that it was about 28% in 1997. As my friend Mike Stork has convinced me, purchases since then are going to be pretty heavily skewed towards semiautomatics. This table says there are a little less than 200 million guns in the US then. As we now have over 300 million the fraction of semi’s is undoubtedly much higher.
it isnt a majrity and if you look at australia as semi automatics were confiscated people replaced them with bolt action and strat pull and lever actions there are as many guns in australia now as 20 years ago when the buyback started. people intially hid their guns but over time most of them were turned in and people bought other guns to replace the semi automatics
it might not be necessary to confiscate these guns, we can merely grandfather old ones the way machine guns are, making it illegal to purchase any semiautomatic made after say 2025 as the fire arms act of 1986 made it illgal to ourchase new machine guns , but one could still buy and sell machne guns made before 1986 subject to the federal fire arms act
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@ethang5
i've been folowing this, and i think this time its real eve na broek n clock is right twice a day, hes in trouble this time, big trouble and this is my prediction the nation is about to take a huge swing to the left, it will be so radical it will come cllose to a revolution and it may not be epaceful, so hold onto to your sticks and bonds things are about to get interesting
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@HistoryBuff
is he the kuntucky gov was considered an obnoxius trump clone that just kept insulting everyone, sound familiar, the suburbs are ful of edcated peopel and they are sick of trumps mussolini clown impresion
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@HistoryBuff
the majority of milenials support some sort of socialsim social democracy. some are even flirting with communism(which even i think is whacked) but they are angr as a wet cat in novemeber
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@Greyparrot
this is kook stuff not mainstream
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@ResurgetExFavilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(Malta) if you are a conservative catholic, malta is a nice fit, strange little place off the african coast between itally and tunisia, abortion is totally banned as is divorce , wait divorce was legalized in 2011 sorry under some circumstance The de jure legal status of abortion in Malta holds that the practice is illegal. Malta is the only country in the European Union to prohibit abortion entirely.[1] However, the law allows for the principle of double effect to take place."[1]
The Criminal Code states:[2]
"(1) Whosoever, by any food, drink, medicine, or by violence, or by any other means whatsoever, shall cause the miscarriage of any woman with child, whether the woman be consenting or not, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from 18 months to three years"; and
"(2) The same punishment shall be awarded against any woman who shall procure her own miscarriage, or who shall have consented to the use of the means by which the miscarriage is procured."
In 2005 Tonio Borg, a Maltese politician, sought to amend the constitution to completely ban abortion.[3]
It is estimated that anywhere between 300 to 400 Maltese women travel abroad to have abortions each year, mostly to the UK (about 60 per year) and Italy, with Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium being some of the other destinations as well.[4] This estimate means that Maltese women have abortions about as often as the EU average, despite Malta being the only EU country which bans the procedure (the rate for Malta is between 3.6 and 4.7 per thousand women; the EU average is 4.4).[4]
"(1) Whosoever, by any food, drink, medicine, or by violence, or by any other means whatsoever, shall cause the miscarriage of any woman with child, whether the woman be consenting or not, shall, on conviction, be liable to imprisonment for a term from 18 months to three years"; and
"(2) The same punishment shall be awarded against any woman who shall procure her own miscarriage, or who shall have consented to the use of the means by which the miscarriage is procured."
In 2005 Tonio Borg, a Maltese politician, sought to amend the constitution to completely ban abortion.[3]
It is estimated that anywhere between 300 to 400 Maltese women travel abroad to have abortions each year, mostly to the UK (about 60 per year) and Italy, with Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium being some of the other destinations as well.[4] This estimate means that Maltese women have abortions about as often as the EU average, despite Malta being the only EU country which bans the procedure (the rate for Malta is between 3.6 and 4.7 per thousand women; the EU average is 4.4).[4]
and gay marriage was legalized in 2017 but its still fairly social conservative
also the labour party of Malta has been running things for most of the past 100 years , is center left and its a nice vacation spot
i thought of moving there
i thought about moving there its gun laws are moderate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Malta you need a licesne but people still manage t olegaly aquire machine guns and rocket launchers, rocket launchers i repeat rocket launchers Today, Malta has both a public healthcare system, known as the government healthcare service, where healthcare is free at the point of delivery, and a private healthcare system. ... The Maltese Ministry of Health advises foreign residents to take out private medical insurance.
Healthcare in Malta - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Healthcare_in_Malta
In Malta, Capital Gains Tax is actually a transaction cost and not a tax on capital gains. Capital Gains Tax is generally levied at a flat rate of 12% on the transfer value or the selling price. ... If the seller has inherited the property before 25 January 1992, capital gains tax is levied at a flat rate of 7%.
Taxes on Foreigners' Real Estate Rental Income in Malta
if iwere you i'd look at malta if i were me i'd lok at malta weathe ris nice beautiful place
https://www.globalpropertyguide.com › Europe › Malta › Taxes-and-Costs
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Between the elections in Kentucky and Virginia and the Impeachment spectacular about to get under way Trump is f(*&kt
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@dustryder
you can be rambo with this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8KMZpzNZQo&t=13s
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@bmdrocks21
stop being stupid A semi-automatic firearm, also called self-loading firearm or autoloading firearm (though fully automatic and selective fire firearms technically are also self-loading), is one that not only fires a bullet each time the trigger is pulled, but also performs all steps necessary to prepare it to discharge again—assuming cartridges remain in the firearm's feed device. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. To fire again, the trigger is released and re-pressed.
Ferdinand Ritter von Mannlicher produced the first successful design for a semi-automatic rifle in 1885, and by the early 20th century, many manufacturers had introduced semi-automatic shotguns, rifles and pistols.
In military use, self-loading rifles were barely used in World War I, and most armies in World War II also still relied upon bolt-action rifles, with the exception of the Americans, who in 1937 had adopted the M1 Garand as the standard-issue infantry weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
In military use, self-loading rifles were barely used in World War I, and most armies in World War II also still relied upon bolt-action rifles, with the exception of the Americans, who in 1937 had adopted the M1 Garand as the standard-issue infantry weapon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_firearm
stop playing that stupid dictionary game you cant win a debate do like a menstruating bitch you get petty and act like a punk
dont be a cunt man up Argumentum ad dictionarium is the act of pulling out a dictionary to support your assertions. More broadly speaking it can refer to any argument about definitions, semantics, or what label to apply to a person or idea — an actual dictionary may not be involved, sometimes the definition is purely personal, sometimes it can be a case of picking and choosing definitions raised by other sources,[2] but the end use is the same. For the most part, "dictionary" is used as a short-cut to refer to any source of these definitions, including statement such as "well, if I define X like this…", which is possibly the most asinine form of the fallacy. See, we've had to head off one use of this fallacy already in case someone says, "It's not this fallacy because I'm not using a dictionary!"
It is a form of argument from authority combining attributes of a red herring argument and, frequently, special pleading. It's very closely related to equivocation and doublespeak. About 91.3% of arguments on the internet tend to boil down to this.https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_dictionarium
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@Greyparrot
yeah well thats has never ever stopped us https://www.britannica.com/event/Russian-Civil-War The Green armies (Russian: Зеленоармейцы), also known as the Green Army (Зелёная Армия) or Greens (Зелёные), were armed peasant groups which fought against all governments in the Russian Civil War from 1917 to 1922.
Green armies - Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Green_armies for what its worth i would have favored the green armies as they won the 1917 elections
he Green armies (Russian: Зеленоармейцы), also known as the Green Army (Зелёная Армия) or Greens (Зелёные), were armed peasant groups which fought against all governments in the Russian Civil War from 1917 to 1922. The Green armies were semi-organized local militias that opposed the Bolsheviks, Whites, and foreign interventionists, and fought to protect their communities from requisitions or reprisals carried out by third parties. The Green armies were politically and ideologically neutral, but at times associated with the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, by far the largest grouping of the Russian Constituent Assembly elected in 1917. The Green armies had at least tacit support throughout much of Russia, however their primary base, the peasantry, were largely reluctant to wage an active campaign during the Russian Civil War and eventually dissolved following Bolshevik victory in 1922.
i would have fought with them, but dude peasant were armed against the communists know what ? they even had their own army, and it didnt stop the communists, who had an organized trained army
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An association fallacy is an informal inductive fallacy of the hasty-generalization or red-herring type and which asserts, by irrelevant association and often by appeal to emotion, that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another. Two types of association fallacies are sometimes referred to as guilt by association and honor by association.
do you drink water? because so did hitler
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
what you include maters not you are a fucking moron For this reason, I would contend that liberals have to take seriously left critics like Mitropoulos. Yet, there are flaws in her argument. First off, she situates Antifa too much in what she refers to as “a left communist milieu,” which I think is not quite accurate. After all, the main publication—if there is something in such a decentered movement—for Antifas seems to be It’s Going Down, a clearly anarchist and anti-authoritarian website. When I observe the actions of Antifa, I am reminded of my own experiences in the political punk scene of the 1980s—when it was not a faith in communism that fueled this small political movement that embraced chaos in the streets, but rather anarchism (and, yes, we had right-wing “skinhead” enemies who often identified as fascist and who some of us prepared to confront in violent battle). (See Jamie Thomson’s Guardian piece “No Fascist USA!: How hardcore punk fuels the Anti Fa movement.”) Indeed, if any of those Antifa activists today considered their deepest historical lineage, it would likely start with the Spanish anarchists in 1937 who were fighting for the republic against the foes of fascists organized by Franco, those who felt betrayed by their Stalinist allies in that cause. I’d say this is where we first see anti-fascism emerging as a coherent movement bounded to ideas outside the singular notion of communism. The anarchist tradition opposes authoritarianism on both sides of the political spectrum, left or right.https://democracyjournal.org/alcove/the-forgotten-roots-of-antifa/
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Antifa doesn't run Canada the liberals and socialists do now antifa are anarch communists, and you good sir are a fucking moron Canada has three major parties that vie for national leadership: the right-of-center Conservatives, the centrist Liberals, and the social democratic New Democratic Party. Of the three, the Liberals are by far the most popular and also the most politically anomalous. Canada became a mature democracy in 1918, when women got the vote. Since then, there have been 29 elections, of which the Liberals have won 19. They’ve governed Canada for roughly 70 percent of the last century. Politically, the Liberals are chameleon act, shifting quickly from Bill Clinton–like centrism to social democratic measures that would make Senator Bernie Sanders proud. The New Democrats, who have never held power at a national level, complain that the Liberals steal all their best ideas, most famously single-payer health care, which began as an NDP initiative in Saskatchewan but became national under a Liberal government.
There is a considerable body of political science in Canada that argues that the Liberal Party are doomed to be supplanted by a more forthrightly left-wing party. University of British Columbia graduate student David Moscrop summed up this school of thought in a column in the National Post earlier last July when he wrote that he’s “confident that the decline of the Liberal party is the new normal. Canadians should get used to a world in which Liberal governments are a thing of the past.” In support of this contention, Moscrop cited “Duverger’s law” (named after the French academic Maurice Duverger) which “states that a plurality electoral system with single-member districts (like Canada’s first-past-the-post system) will tend towards a two-party system (split along left/right political lines).”
By Duverger’s Law, Canadian politics should resemble the United States, with two major parties clearly divided along left/right lines. But Canada remains strangely defiant of this so-called law. https://newrepublic.com/article/123186/why-canadas-liberal-party-so-dominant
By Duverger’s Law, Canadian politics should resemble the United States, with two major parties clearly divided along left/right lines. But Canada remains strangely defiant of this so-called law. https://newrepublic.com/article/123186/why-canadas-liberal-party-so-dominant
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@Greyparrot
for 3000 years of recorded and not so recorded history it was impossible to make wine in the uk
3000 years guess what? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/climate-change-makes-england-s-vineyards-perfect-sparkling-wine-n962606
"The weather has created some logistical challenges, though.
With yields as much as 50 percent greater than expected, producers were forced to scramble to find enough space to store the unanticipated windfall."
With yields as much as 50 percent greater than expected, producers were forced to scramble to find enough space to store the unanticipated windfall."
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Australians semi automatic rifles the results were very positive https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
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what is this bullshit just grab a shot gun and kill the fucker
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@Greyparrot
how about some really strong beer and some maple syrup tabernac?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
se·cede that right children
se·cede can you say that? oh and you forgot something The initial Confederacy was established in the Montgomery Convention in February 1861 by seven states (South Carolina, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, adding Texas in March before Lincoln's inauguration), expanded in May–July 1861 (with Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, North Carolina), and was ...
Confederate States of America - Wikipedia Secession (derived from the Latin term secessio) is the withdrawal of a group from a larger entity, especially a political entity, but also from any organization, union or military alliance. Threats of secession can be a strategy for achieving more limited goals.[1] It is, therefore, a process, which commences once a group proclaims the act of secession (e.g. declaration of independence).[2] It could involve a violent or peaceful process but these do not change the nature of the outcome, which is the creation of a new state or entity independent from the group or territory it seceded from
Discussions and threats of secession often surface in American politics, and secession was declared during the American Civil War. However, in 1869 the United States Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) that unilateral secession was not permitted saying that the union between a state (Texas in the case before the bar) "was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."[43][44]
Throughout Canada's history, there has been tension between English-speaking and French-speaking Canadians. Under the Constitutional Act of 1791, the Quebec colony (including parts of what are today Quebec, Ontario and Newfoundland and Labrador) was divided in two: Lower Canada (which retained French law and institutions and is now part of the provinces of Quebec and Newfoundland and Labrador) and Upper Canada (a new colony intended to accommodate the many new English-speaking settlers, including the United Empire Loyalists, and now part of Ontario). The intent was to provide each group with its own colony. In 1841, the two Canadas were merged into the Province of Canada. The union proved contentious, however, resulting in a legislative deadlock between English and French legislators. The difficulties of the union led (amongst other factors) in 1867 to Confederation, the adoption of a federal system that united the Province of Canada, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick (later joined by other British colonies in North America). The federal framework did not eliminate all tensions, however, leading to the Quebec sovereignty movement in the latter half of the 20th century.
the Canadians talked their problems out.. thats my point
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@RationalMadman
is it is it really? https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/07/matt-bruenig-nordic-socialism-realer-think.html By Matt Bruenig, who writes about politics, the economy, and political theory, with a focus on issues that affect poor and working people. He has written for The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Atlantic, The New Republic, The American Prospect, In These Times, Jacobin, Dissent, Salon, The Week, Gawker and at his home base of sorts: Demos’ Policy Shop. Follow him on Twitter: @mattbruenig. Originally published at his website
This post was originally intended for the launch of the People’s Policy Project website. But as that is running behind schedule, I figure I will post it here.
When policy commentators talk about the Nordic economies, they tend to focus on their comprehensive welfare states. And for good reason. Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are home to some of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Each has an efficient single-payer health care system, free college, long parental leave, heavily subsidized child care, and many other social benefits too numerous to list here.
As marvelous as the Nordic welfare states are, the outsized attention they receive can sometimes lead commentators to the wrong conclusions about the peculiarities of Nordic economies. Jonathan Chait thinks the Nordic economies feature an “amped-up version of … neoliberalism” while an oddly large number of conservative and libertarian writers claim the Nordics are quasi-libertarian.
The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes.
Labor Market
But this is not true. In addition to their large welfare states and high tax levels, Nordic economies are also home to large public sectors, strong job protections, and labor markets governed by centralized union contracts.
Around 1 in 3 workers in Denmark and Norway are employed by the government.
Centrally-bargained union contracts establish the work rules and pay scales for the vast majority of Nordic workers.
These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.
State Ownership
Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.
The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent.
Much of this money is tied up in diversified wealth funds, which some would object to as not counting as real state ownership. I disagree with the claim that wealth funds are not really state ownership, but the observation that Nordic countries feature high levels of state ownership does not turn upon this quibble.
State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent.
Some of these SOEs are businesses often run by states: a postal service, a public broadcasting channel, an Alcohol retail monopoly. But others are just normal businesses typically associated with the private sector.
In Finland, where I know the situation the best, there are 64 state-owned enterprises, including one called Solidium that operates as a holding company for the government’s minority stake in 13 of the companies.
The Finnish state-owned enterprises include an airliner called Finnair; a wine and spirits maker called Altia; a marketing communications company called Nordic Morning; a large construction and engineering company called VR; and an $8.8 billion oil company called Neste.
In Norway, the state manages direct ownership of 70 companies. The businesses include the real estate company Entra; the country’s largest financial services group DNB; the 30,000-employee mobile telecommunications company Telenor; and the famous state-owned oil company Statoil.
Finland and Norway have their special reasons for the level of state ownership they engage in. Finnish government publications discuss the country’s late development and status as a peripheral country when justifying their relatively heavy public involvement in industry. That is, Finland does not want to expose the entirety of its marginal, late-developing, open economy to the potential ravages of international capital flows.
In Norway, the discovery of oil in the North Sea was the impetus for the creation of its enormous social wealth fund. The fund currently owns around $950 billion of assets throughout the world, including more than $325 billion of assets inside the US. In a video on the Norwegian central bank’s website, the fund is described as follows: “It is the people’s money, owned by everyone, divided equally and for generations to come.”
No one would argue that the Nordic countries are full-blown socialist countries, whatever that might mean. But it is also folly to pretend the only thing they have proven is that high taxes and large welfare states can work. Even on the narrow understanding of socialism as public ownership of enterprise, the Nordic countries are far more socialistic than most commentators seem to realize. American socialists who draw inspiration from their successes do so rightly.
When policy commentators talk about the Nordic economies, they tend to focus on their comprehensive welfare states. And for good reason. Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden are home to some of the most generous welfare systems in the world. Each has an efficient single-payer health care system, free college, long parental leave, heavily subsidized child care, and many other social benefits too numerous to list here.
As marvelous as the Nordic welfare states are, the outsized attention they receive can sometimes lead commentators to the wrong conclusions about the peculiarities of Nordic economies. Jonathan Chait thinks the Nordic economies feature an “amped-up version of … neoliberalism” while an oddly large number of conservative and libertarian writers claim the Nordics are quasi-libertarian.
The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes.
Labor Market
But this is not true. In addition to their large welfare states and high tax levels, Nordic economies are also home to large public sectors, strong job protections, and labor markets governed by centralized union contracts.
Around 1 in 3 workers in Denmark and Norway are employed by the government.
These labor market characteristics are hardly neoliberal or quasi-libertarian, at least if we stick to typical definitions of those terms. The neoliberal tendency, as exemplified most recently by France’s Emmanuel Macron, is to cut public sector jobs, reduce job protections, and push for local rather than centralized labor agreements. For the US labor market to become more like the Nordics, it would have to move in the opposite direction on all of those fronts.
State Ownership
Even more interesting than Nordic labor market institutions is Nordic state ownership. Collective ownership over capital is the hallmark of that old-school socialism that is supposed to have been entirely discredited. And yet, such public ownership figures prominently in present-day Norway and Finland and has had a role in the other two Nordic countries as well, especially in Sweden where the government embarked upon a now-defunct plan to socialize the whole of Swedish industry into wage-earner funds just a few decades ago.
The governments of Norway and Finland own financial assets equal to 330 percent and 130 percent of each country’s respective GDP. In the US, the same figure is just 26 percent.
Much of this money is tied up in diversified wealth funds, which some would object to as not counting as real state ownership. I disagree with the claim that wealth funds are not really state ownership, but the observation that Nordic countries feature high levels of state ownership does not turn upon this quibble.
State-owned enterprises (SOEs), defined as commercial enterprises in which the state has a controlling stake or large minority stake, are also far more prevalent in the Nordic countries. In 2012, the value of Norwegian SOEs was equal to 87.9 percent of the country’s GDP. For Finland, that figure was 52.3 percent. In the US, it was not even 1 percent.
Some of these SOEs are businesses often run by states: a postal service, a public broadcasting channel, an Alcohol retail monopoly. But others are just normal businesses typically associated with the private sector.
In Finland, where I know the situation the best, there are 64 state-owned enterprises, including one called Solidium that operates as a holding company for the government’s minority stake in 13 of the companies.
The Finnish state-owned enterprises include an airliner called Finnair; a wine and spirits maker called Altia; a marketing communications company called Nordic Morning; a large construction and engineering company called VR; and an $8.8 billion oil company called Neste.
In Norway, the state manages direct ownership of 70 companies. The businesses include the real estate company Entra; the country’s largest financial services group DNB; the 30,000-employee mobile telecommunications company Telenor; and the famous state-owned oil company Statoil.
Finland and Norway have their special reasons for the level of state ownership they engage in. Finnish government publications discuss the country’s late development and status as a peripheral country when justifying their relatively heavy public involvement in industry. That is, Finland does not want to expose the entirety of its marginal, late-developing, open economy to the potential ravages of international capital flows.
In Norway, the discovery of oil in the North Sea was the impetus for the creation of its enormous social wealth fund. The fund currently owns around $950 billion of assets throughout the world, including more than $325 billion of assets inside the US. In a video on the Norwegian central bank’s website, the fund is described as follows: “It is the people’s money, owned by everyone, divided equally and for generations to come.”
No one would argue that the Nordic countries are full-blown socialist countries, whatever that might mean. But it is also folly to pretend the only thing they have proven is that high taxes and large welfare states can work. Even on the narrow understanding of socialism as public ownership of enterprise, the Nordic countries are far more socialistic than most commentators seem to realize. American socialists who draw inspiration from their successes do so rightly.
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The common thread to these mistaken conclusions, aside from the desire to deny that there are leftist success stories in the world, is the apparent belief that the only extraordinary part of Nordic economies are the welfare states. Except for their generous social benefits, everything else is properly capitalist and even more capitalist than the United States. Or so the argument goes.
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/07/matt-bruenig-nordic-socialism-realer-think.html or so the argument goes
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yes but the differences are not that great
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"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership can be public, collective or cooperative ownership, or citizen ownership of equity.[12] There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them,[13] with social ownership being the common element shared by its various forms.[5]["
"Democratic socialism is a socialist political philosophy which advocates political democracy alongside a socially owned economy,[1] with an emphasis on workers' self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.[2] Democratic socialists argue that capitalism is inherently incompatible with the values of freedom, equality and solidarity and that these ideals can be achieved only through the realisation of a socialist society. Although most democratic socialists are seeking a very gradual transition to socialism,[3] democratic socialism can support either revolutionary or reformist politics as a means to establish socialism.[4]"
"Social democracy is a political, social and economic philosophy that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and a capitalist oriented mixed economy. The protocols and norms used to accomplish this involve a commitment to representative and participatory democracy, measures for income redistribution, regulation of the economy in the general interest and social welfare provisions.[1][2][3] In this way, social democracy aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes.[4] Due to longstanding governance by social democratic parties during the British post-war consensus and their influence on socioeconomic policy in the Nordic countries, social democracy has become associated with the Nordic model and Keynesianism within political circles in the late 20th century.[5]"
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i do understand it what makes you think i dont?
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if you look at political polls, young people like Socialism, the question is , what do they think Socialism is ? I don't expect Cuba or the Soviet Union, but a social democratic welfare state seems to be on the horizon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk
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it also why i dont /cant own a gun and realize lax gun laws make for a bad quality of life even the best of us have weak moments
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cal the police and buy a 12 guage, if th police dont deal with it bait the bitch on to you property and shoot him in the balls, let him suffer a bit and then finish him off with a shot to the head, then call your lawyer and then call 911 , i've actually been in situations like this. god bless mossberg 590s
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@Greyparrot
the united states is practically a fascist state there isnt one credible index that considers your shit hole nation "free' not even the cato institute
The jurisdictions that took the top 10 places, in order, were New Zealand, Switzerland, Hong Kong, Australia, Canada, the Netherlands and Denmark (tied in 6th place), Ireland and the United Kingdom (tied in 8th place), and Finland, Norway, and Taiwan (tied in 10th place). Selected countries rank as follows: Germany (13), the United States and Sweden (17), Republic of Korea (27), Japan (31), France and Chile (32), Italy (34), South Africa (63), Mexico (75), Kenya (82), Indonesia (85), Argentina and Turkey (tied in 107th place), India and Malaysia (tied in 110th place), United Arab Emirates (117), Russia (119), Nigeria (132), China (135), Pakistan (140), Zimbabwe (143), Saudi Arabia (146), Iran (153), Egypt (156), Iraq (159), Venezuela (161), and Syria (162). https://www.cato.org/human-freedom-index-new your nation is a rotting right wing corpse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTjMqda19wk
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@Greyparrot
that sir is about the most unreliable index you could have gone to heres a better one more accepted by credible minds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Press_Freedom_Index norway is best canada is ok beter than us, and we we are about the same as Romania
Romania, ok? so , excuse me but according to a credible source you are wrong
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Yes I am or any other silly name you can thjink of thats your act name calling, i admire rojova and i think it is the lowest thing in the world to be disloyal to a friend the lowest, like you
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at any one point by body weigh is 70% molson ale
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i'm just waiting for you to alienate everyone so we can all turn on you at once
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