I’m not abusing you lol, calm down man. I’m the one who kindly reached out, sent you friend requests, etc. I didn’t start messing with you until you reported a vote that went against you TWICE. After that I realized you needed to be pestered and humbled a little bit. You’re not being abused, you’re not as smart and witty as you think you are. I tried to help educate you kindly on this topic, you chose to ignore me and be a sore loser the second things started going against you even slightly. That is sad man.
There is no lack of clear intention as the first word of the sentence is what the sentence is about. Another correct way to say it that actually makes sense is “what you did to barney, could be considered whining by many people.”
What you said would’ve gotten scratched out with a red marker by any English or grammar teacher above a 3rd grade level lmao.
I spell it out just in case you don’t get it. Essentially I’m not calling for anyone to get banned, votes to be removed, ignoring friendly and helpful messages, removing from friends lists, blocking, etc.
All I’ve done is tell someone in the comments why they’re wrong about something, express my disappointment in a vote being removed (which I’m no longer complaining about), and badger you a little bit because you keep falling for it. Hopefully you can nail down the difference there lmao.
Nah there’s a fine line between telling someone why they’re wrong, educating, talking shit, and reporting votes and begging moderators to ban me lol, I you can’t see the difference there you’re truly lost forever.
It makes me sad for you that you’re so bad at handling a vote that goes against you. I have no cares if I win or lose. I didn’t do this to win, I did this to try and sharpen my ideas while trying to share my deep knowledge on this topic. Neither of those things happened because I had a debate with someone who refused to even engage with 99% of my points and also brought nothing I haven’t heard 1,000,000 times to the table. What a shame.
You are still somehow not trying to listen. I wish you would actually give what I’m saying a chance, instead of trying to one up me with the wittiest comment all the time. I haven’t whined to anyone. I simply stated my disappointment in a vote being removed when I thought it was valid, however, that vote was reported again (embarrassingly) and wasn’t removed so I have 0 complaints. You continue to do it.
Also i kept tagging you because I thought the master of mental warfare could handle it lmao
I can tell you exactly how every single drug you can name works in the brain and why it causes the effects it does. You can not do that for any drug. If you have any curiosity, any search for knowledge on this topic, I can give you everything you need to start truly learning about it. I wish you would actually listen to what I said and what I’m saying because it is a wonderful topic to dive into because there is still so much to learn, and so many incredible questions to be answered. I hope you have a good night and think about this a little more.
Rational madman. I have no I’ll will towards you, however, I think you need to really consider the attitude you have towards potentially losing a debate. That other guy voted against me, even though I think he is completely wrong about everything he said, I did not report him and did not go whining to anyone. You have to be able to take a loss so you can actually learn about stuff. I would bet my entire next pay check (which is probably more than you make in a month) that I know more about pharmacology, neurochemistry, psychopharmacology, and chemistry than anyone on this website. I attempted to share my knowledge with you in a constructive way in the form of debate, instead of listening to me and considering what I said, you ignored my friendly comments to you, that had two great resources for getting started on actually studying this topic.
I wish you could let up on the competitiveness and see this website isn’t about winning, it’s more so, in my opinion, about learning and gaining knowledge on topics you hadn’t really considered. You made this only about winning a debate instead of actually considering what I was saying. I have a reason to not truly consider what you were saying, that reason is because I used to be just like you, think just like you, and act just like you in regards to this topic. I knew every single point you were going to bring up. Which is why I had responses ready for them and didn’t have to turn to google for anything other than the exact data from protugal. I was on your side for 20 years before I actually began doing research on this topic and realized how wrong I was. I went to college to study chemistry, I read pharmacology journals daily. You had a golden opportunity to start your pharmacological education journey with this debate and the resources I privately messaged you. You declined, and for that I have little respect because you were trying to act like you are an expert on the topic. It is not too late! Open my message, read what I sent you and go from there. I’d bet my life on it your mind would be changed if you are actually open to the possibility of it changing.
That’s a real mature way of handling this. Ignore my friendly messages, remove me from friends list, report votes for me, call said votes unfair, then block me because your claims don’t make any sense.
I’m not even mad about any of it at all. I just want you to stop acting like you’re a victim of unfair voting, when you’re just not well versed in this topic. It’s fine to not dedicate your life to studying pharmacology as I have. That’s no problem. It’s only a problem when you begin to act like an expert and blame everyone but yourself for not getting votes. If people come and vote for you, I will think they’re uneducated or don’t have deep insight on the topic, but I would never report the vote or complain about. That’s on you man.
Do you not find it strange I’ve had a very respectful debate with my opponent in this thread? We have messaged each other back and forth many times about the debate and about the approach to the debate.
But you ignore my friendly messages and evidence and expect people to side with you on a debate you know literally nothing about. So much so you couldn’t counter 1 single point I made the entire time. And kept bringing up points that let me know you’re entirely uneducated. Like “date rape drugs which are basically only used for kidnapping” you have 0 evidence for that. Date rape drugs aren’t a class of drugs. Are you talking about GHB? Which does the exact same thing to the brain as alcohol and Xanax? GHB, is used recreationally all the time and 99% of the users do not use it to rape other people. So that made no sense.
If you’re talking about drugs that can make you lose consciousness, then you’d have to call opioids, alcohol, Xanax, ketamine, PCP, etc all date rape drugs. Which you probably wouldn’t if you had half a brain. You just don’t know anything about this topic and then try to say to someone who has a formal education and years of research into the topic ignorant. It’s amazing how egotistical you are on a topic you clearly know nothing about.
I have no salt what so ever big guy. I showed you no I’ll will. As a matter of fact I sent you a friend request and friendly messages in between rounds trying to show you my evidence for my claims. You ignored them, and then removed me your friends list. That sounds much saltier than anything I’ve said to you at all. Also if you can’t see I’m just playing “mental warfare” which you claimed to be the master of, you’re not paying attention.
Also I’ve given you dozens of lines of evidence that drugs are not harmful 80-90% of the time. You just refuse to accept the data. You have brought forth 0 data to back up how harmful you claim drugs to be. That’s on you. You have done no real research on the topic of pharmacology and how drugs interact with societies at all. Your research starts and ends with simple google searches like “risks of heroin” and don’t dig any deeper. Again I gave you many sources to start doing true research on the topic, you ignored it and never presented any evidence that went against anything I was saying at all, again that’s on you.
It’s not my fault you can’t be objective in your approach on the topic of drugs. You also didn’t get “votebombed” someone actually read the debate and saw who had more evidence for their claims. That was a landslide in my direction.
See you're to simple to understand what I'm truly saying. I never said you shouldn't be able to report votes, I never said they shouldn't be removed. I said that it is simply sad you're that threatened by an opposing vote you feel the need to report it. Never that you shouldn't be able to report it.
@WF totally understandable, not saying that shouldn't be the case. I was just stating that you said the vote was not clear enough, when in my opinion, it was perfectly clear as to why he voted the way he did. That's all, I have no problem with debaters being able to report votes at all.
I haven't heard of this website until literally the day before we started this debate. What on earth would make you think I've stalked your profile for "years." You are embarrassing to interact with.
You did stop his free speech by reporting him and having his vote removed. Nothing here is corrupt, it is simply one person expressing their opinions and speech, in the form of a vote. It's sad and hilarious you can't realize that. I'm not having a tantrum at all, because I'm confident enough in my knowledge on this topic, which you do not possess, to continue having this conversation with more educated people than yourself.
It's a shame you removed his vote. I felt like he clearly explained why he voted the way he did. It's a little annoying someone can cry to admins and get their way, even though the voter explained everything in a crystal clear way and even applauded my opponent for somethings. To each their own I guess, it's not really a problem, good website in general, but someone crying shouldn't allow votes to be removed in my opinion.
I'm not worried about it, he may win the debate on this website, but everyone who actually reads the argument knows who has more knowledge and is more capable of discussing this topic in a technical and logical sense. It's sad to me that rational madman was so threatened by an opposing vote he had to report it instead of actually reading what the voter had to say and adjusting his approach accordingly. So much for free speech, everyone who screams that is always the first person to complain when the free speech doesn't go their way.
Yeah, I'm still getting used to the website so I couldn't figure out how to do it as well as he did, so I saved the time and just tried to explain the evidence as best I could.
You are unbelievable. You legit say your reporting his vote because it went against you? You’re supposed to be the master of mental warfare according to your old bio, that you change every other day . Jesus dude, I didn’t report any ones vote, I just tried to change their mind with evidence and logic, which you lack sorely on this topic.
Thank you very much for voting the way you did. I just wanted to tell you I’m sorry my presentation bothered you. I do need to work on how I address people in these debates. I just have a hard time with addressing ignorance posing as expertise with pure amiability. He refused to address my points and actually debate what I was saying and has tried to get me banned multiple times on the comments of this debate. So I have little respect for him, much less his ignorant takes on this topic.
I even messaged him on the side and sent him sources to do real research on this topic and he never responded until there was an audience in this comment section.
I wasn’t badgering anyone I was giving him evidence as to why he was wrong about what he was saying specifically. I’m sorry you don’t have the knowledge on the topic to convince people who are in the middle of your side. The only thing you know how to do is point out risks that no one argues and thinks that can win the debate. It still might because other uneducated and emotional people may vote for you, but I clearly have more knowledge and evidence on my side. You’re simply better with the website and your arguments look better, but they have 0 substance.
I actually did not see that, thanks for letting me know honestly. Still he’s completely wrong lol, those drugs are not “basically only used for kidnappings” people use them recreationally all the time as a safer and healthier replacement for alcohol
Date rape drugs was never brought up in the debate if I remember correctly. You brought them up in here I feel if this was the only exception to my side of the argument that you had, you should vote the other way now. I have proven why “date rape” drugs should not be a reason not to legalize drugs. Because anything that makes you fall asleep or lose your inhibitions isn’t a date rape drug. You’d have to expand the category of date rape drugs to cover dozens of different substances and that just isn’t efficient.
Thank you for bringing this up, but This shows me you have no knowledge of pharmacology. What is a date rape drug exactly? If you’re talking about GHB you’d have to put Xanax, Vallium, etc in the same category because they do the same thing to the brain. Alcohol does the same thing as GHB to the brain as well, so is alcohol a date rape drug?
Date rape drug is not a class of drugs, if you’re talking about any drug that can make you lose consciousness, then you gotta have heroin, ketamine, PCP, alcohol, Xanax, morphine, etc all considered date rape drugs, what exact drugs are you talking about? And If you mention a drug make sure it doesn’t have the same mechanism as other drugs that you would not put in the date rape drug category or your statement would make no sense and hold no value.
I had plenty of sources just couldn’t figure out how to link them as I’ve never used this site before and that’s my fault for sure. However to say I have no sources or evidence is a little ridiculous considering I cited many lines of evidence and said where exactly I got them from.
To be honest your reasoning for voting against me isn’t very logical. GHB is a “date rape” drug, but it is also used recreationally all the time. That drug is just a potent benzodiazepine like Xanax. There’s no reason it should be illegal. Also he pointed out the potential harms of heroin, no one denies the potential harms, but as I pointed out many times, risk and safety isn’t the point. We are legally allowed to do many dangerous things as free people. Also I showed many lines of evidence that most people who use heroin do not face those risks, and are not addicts. Thank you for reading all of my posts but I do not think you truly read it because you said I provided no evidence even though I presented many lines of it. He is just more well versed in the website, I presented quotes from chairmen from the NIH, stats from the NIH, stats from Portugal, etc. and yes GHB is decriminalized in Portugal.
Addiction is a misnomer in my opinion. It also depends on what you mean by addiction. Ketamine can hardly be considered highly addictive. There’s evidence it can actually treat addiction. Also to be considered an addict and be diagnosed with substance use disorder, the use or activity must be disrupting your social life or professional life. If you’re saying they have higher dependence potential that would be true. However that isn’t the point of this debate. The point of this debate is to say that cannabis is nothing special, you can look at Mitragynine, which is an opioid, and it has the same addiction and dependence potential as cannabis because it is a partial agonist at the mu-opioid receptor as well as a few others. It has also been used to treat opioid addiction as well as other drugs that have similar pharmacological properties. There’s nothing especially addictive about the opioid system, there’s nothing especially non-addictive about the cannabinoid system. Drugs like AB-phubenica and K2 have shown that.
I like the recreational debate as well, I believe all drugs should be legal to use recreationally.
It is a compliment you said that though. Thank you I spend hours of my life studying this stuff. I write as much as I read I’ve been working on a pharmacology and drug use guide of sorts for a couple years now.
I got over halfway done with a chemistry degree with a focus towards pharmacology, before my hatred for physics for scientists overcame me lol. Now I’m a geoscience major so I can still get good work. But I’m honestly mostly an autodidact on this topic. Just reads lots of pharmacology books and lots of neurochemsitry studies. There’s still a lot I don’t know and I wouldn’t consider myself a true expert, but I still plan on returning to become a pharmacologist once I get my Environmental career rolling.
No problem man, I have thick skin lmao. It’s partially my fault for not double checking what the title and stuff was before starting the debate. All good.
Click on my profile and check out the last one I had on the same topic. Pharmacology and earth sciences are my two areas of study. Hopefully you’ll give me a vote if I can convince you!
I try to respond quickly with my arguments as well so it shouldn’t take 6 weeks to go through our debate like my last one did. That dude was annoying as hell he’d wait until there was less than one hour left and would say almost nothing of value.
Your last argument also proved one of my points and I don’t even think you noticed. Go read the fentanyl section again in your link. The second half of the description is a huge reason to legalize drugs so that stops happening.
Hey I typed way over my 10,000 character limit. I had to cut some stuff down and realized I cut a sentence in half. I said “things don’t need to be perfectly healthy to be legal…” after that before I said leading cause of preventable death I meant to say “what about cigarettes…” hope you see this before you respond.
I forgot to finish one of my points. The studies in the 1890’s done with heroin showed that there is a very simple and easy way to use heroin on patients without them withdrawing or forming a tolerance. Even back then people knew how to use it correctly it’s not hard to figure out and should be able to be implemented in todays world.
I’m not abusing you lol, calm down man. I’m the one who kindly reached out, sent you friend requests, etc. I didn’t start messing with you until you reported a vote that went against you TWICE. After that I realized you needed to be pestered and humbled a little bit. You’re not being abused, you’re not as smart and witty as you think you are. I tried to help educate you kindly on this topic, you chose to ignore me and be a sore loser the second things started going against you even slightly. That is sad man.
You’re not being abused.
There is no lack of clear intention as the first word of the sentence is what the sentence is about. Another correct way to say it that actually makes sense is “what you did to barney, could be considered whining by many people.”
What you said would’ve gotten scratched out with a red marker by any English or grammar teacher above a 3rd grade level lmao.
Also RM, your last comment to me made 0 sense. I think what you were looking for was “many people could consider what you did whining”
Not: “whining could be what many consider what you did to Barney…”
That’s a weird way of saying that, just wanted to point that out for ya.
Sometimes you just gotta go to war man. Especially with people like RM
I spell it out just in case you don’t get it. Essentially I’m not calling for anyone to get banned, votes to be removed, ignoring friendly and helpful messages, removing from friends lists, blocking, etc.
All I’ve done is tell someone in the comments why they’re wrong about something, express my disappointment in a vote being removed (which I’m no longer complaining about), and badger you a little bit because you keep falling for it. Hopefully you can nail down the difference there lmao.
Nah there’s a fine line between telling someone why they’re wrong, educating, talking shit, and reporting votes and begging moderators to ban me lol, I you can’t see the difference there you’re truly lost forever.
It makes me sad for you that you’re so bad at handling a vote that goes against you. I have no cares if I win or lose. I didn’t do this to win, I did this to try and sharpen my ideas while trying to share my deep knowledge on this topic. Neither of those things happened because I had a debate with someone who refused to even engage with 99% of my points and also brought nothing I haven’t heard 1,000,000 times to the table. What a shame.
You are still somehow not trying to listen. I wish you would actually give what I’m saying a chance, instead of trying to one up me with the wittiest comment all the time. I haven’t whined to anyone. I simply stated my disappointment in a vote being removed when I thought it was valid, however, that vote was reported again (embarrassingly) and wasn’t removed so I have 0 complaints. You continue to do it.
Also i kept tagging you because I thought the master of mental warfare could handle it lmao
I can tell you exactly how every single drug you can name works in the brain and why it causes the effects it does. You can not do that for any drug. If you have any curiosity, any search for knowledge on this topic, I can give you everything you need to start truly learning about it. I wish you would actually listen to what I said and what I’m saying because it is a wonderful topic to dive into because there is still so much to learn, and so many incredible questions to be answered. I hope you have a good night and think about this a little more.
Rational madman. I have no I’ll will towards you, however, I think you need to really consider the attitude you have towards potentially losing a debate. That other guy voted against me, even though I think he is completely wrong about everything he said, I did not report him and did not go whining to anyone. You have to be able to take a loss so you can actually learn about stuff. I would bet my entire next pay check (which is probably more than you make in a month) that I know more about pharmacology, neurochemistry, psychopharmacology, and chemistry than anyone on this website. I attempted to share my knowledge with you in a constructive way in the form of debate, instead of listening to me and considering what I said, you ignored my friendly comments to you, that had two great resources for getting started on actually studying this topic.
I wish you could let up on the competitiveness and see this website isn’t about winning, it’s more so, in my opinion, about learning and gaining knowledge on topics you hadn’t really considered. You made this only about winning a debate instead of actually considering what I was saying. I have a reason to not truly consider what you were saying, that reason is because I used to be just like you, think just like you, and act just like you in regards to this topic. I knew every single point you were going to bring up. Which is why I had responses ready for them and didn’t have to turn to google for anything other than the exact data from protugal. I was on your side for 20 years before I actually began doing research on this topic and realized how wrong I was. I went to college to study chemistry, I read pharmacology journals daily. You had a golden opportunity to start your pharmacological education journey with this debate and the resources I privately messaged you. You declined, and for that I have little respect because you were trying to act like you are an expert on the topic. It is not too late! Open my message, read what I sent you and go from there. I’d bet my life on it your mind would be changed if you are actually open to the possibility of it changing.
Did he seriously report the vote again? That’s sad as hell tbh
That’s a real mature way of handling this. Ignore my friendly messages, remove me from friends list, report votes for me, call said votes unfair, then block me because your claims don’t make any sense.
A- level debater right here folks.
I’m not even mad about any of it at all. I just want you to stop acting like you’re a victim of unfair voting, when you’re just not well versed in this topic. It’s fine to not dedicate your life to studying pharmacology as I have. That’s no problem. It’s only a problem when you begin to act like an expert and blame everyone but yourself for not getting votes. If people come and vote for you, I will think they’re uneducated or don’t have deep insight on the topic, but I would never report the vote or complain about. That’s on you man.
Do you not find it strange I’ve had a very respectful debate with my opponent in this thread? We have messaged each other back and forth many times about the debate and about the approach to the debate.
But you ignore my friendly messages and evidence and expect people to side with you on a debate you know literally nothing about. So much so you couldn’t counter 1 single point I made the entire time. And kept bringing up points that let me know you’re entirely uneducated. Like “date rape drugs which are basically only used for kidnapping” you have 0 evidence for that. Date rape drugs aren’t a class of drugs. Are you talking about GHB? Which does the exact same thing to the brain as alcohol and Xanax? GHB, is used recreationally all the time and 99% of the users do not use it to rape other people. So that made no sense.
If you’re talking about drugs that can make you lose consciousness, then you’d have to call opioids, alcohol, Xanax, ketamine, PCP, etc all date rape drugs. Which you probably wouldn’t if you had half a brain. You just don’t know anything about this topic and then try to say to someone who has a formal education and years of research into the topic ignorant. It’s amazing how egotistical you are on a topic you clearly know nothing about.
I have no salt what so ever big guy. I showed you no I’ll will. As a matter of fact I sent you a friend request and friendly messages in between rounds trying to show you my evidence for my claims. You ignored them, and then removed me your friends list. That sounds much saltier than anything I’ve said to you at all. Also if you can’t see I’m just playing “mental warfare” which you claimed to be the master of, you’re not paying attention.
Also I’ve given you dozens of lines of evidence that drugs are not harmful 80-90% of the time. You just refuse to accept the data. You have brought forth 0 data to back up how harmful you claim drugs to be. That’s on you. You have done no real research on the topic of pharmacology and how drugs interact with societies at all. Your research starts and ends with simple google searches like “risks of heroin” and don’t dig any deeper. Again I gave you many sources to start doing true research on the topic, you ignored it and never presented any evidence that went against anything I was saying at all, again that’s on you.
It’s not my fault you can’t be objective in your approach on the topic of drugs. You also didn’t get “votebombed” someone actually read the debate and saw who had more evidence for their claims. That was a landslide in my direction.
Rational madman is currently losing a debate against me and is very salty. I’d be very very surprised if he doesn’t give you every vote lol.
Free speech will only ever apply to RMs type when it benefits him, but never if it goes against him.
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By your old profile, I meant the profile bio you had when we started this debate. Not one you had "years" ago.
See you're to simple to understand what I'm truly saying. I never said you shouldn't be able to report votes, I never said they shouldn't be removed. I said that it is simply sad you're that threatened by an opposing vote you feel the need to report it. Never that you shouldn't be able to report it.
@WF totally understandable, not saying that shouldn't be the case. I was just stating that you said the vote was not clear enough, when in my opinion, it was perfectly clear as to why he voted the way he did. That's all, I have no problem with debaters being able to report votes at all.
I haven't heard of this website until literally the day before we started this debate. What on earth would make you think I've stalked your profile for "years." You are embarrassing to interact with.
You did stop his free speech by reporting him and having his vote removed. Nothing here is corrupt, it is simply one person expressing their opinions and speech, in the form of a vote. It's sad and hilarious you can't realize that. I'm not having a tantrum at all, because I'm confident enough in my knowledge on this topic, which you do not possess, to continue having this conversation with more educated people than yourself.
It's a shame you removed his vote. I felt like he clearly explained why he voted the way he did. It's a little annoying someone can cry to admins and get their way, even though the voter explained everything in a crystal clear way and even applauded my opponent for somethings. To each their own I guess, it's not really a problem, good website in general, but someone crying shouldn't allow votes to be removed in my opinion.
I'm not worried about it, he may win the debate on this website, but everyone who actually reads the argument knows who has more knowledge and is more capable of discussing this topic in a technical and logical sense. It's sad to me that rational madman was so threatened by an opposing vote he had to report it instead of actually reading what the voter had to say and adjusting his approach accordingly. So much for free speech, everyone who screams that is always the first person to complain when the free speech doesn't go their way.
Yeah, I'm still getting used to the website so I couldn't figure out how to do it as well as he did, so I saved the time and just tried to explain the evidence as best I could.
You are unbelievable. You legit say your reporting his vote because it went against you? You’re supposed to be the master of mental warfare according to your old bio, that you change every other day . Jesus dude, I didn’t report any ones vote, I just tried to change their mind with evidence and logic, which you lack sorely on this topic.
Yeah that’s good advice honestly.
Thank you very much for voting the way you did. I just wanted to tell you I’m sorry my presentation bothered you. I do need to work on how I address people in these debates. I just have a hard time with addressing ignorance posing as expertise with pure amiability. He refused to address my points and actually debate what I was saying and has tried to get me banned multiple times on the comments of this debate. So I have little respect for him, much less his ignorant takes on this topic.
I even messaged him on the side and sent him sources to do real research on this topic and he never responded until there was an audience in this comment section.
Gotcha, hopefully you now understand the term date rape drug doesn’t really mean anything.
But I see what you’re saying with the all.
What was the notion that made you not take it seriously? Not trying to argue just curious so I can be more careful about it in the future.
I wasn’t badgering anyone I was giving him evidence as to why he was wrong about what he was saying specifically. I’m sorry you don’t have the knowledge on the topic to convince people who are in the middle of your side. The only thing you know how to do is point out risks that no one argues and thinks that can win the debate. It still might because other uneducated and emotional people may vote for you, but I clearly have more knowledge and evidence on my side. You’re simply better with the website and your arguments look better, but they have 0 substance.
I actually did not see that, thanks for letting me know honestly. Still he’s completely wrong lol, those drugs are not “basically only used for kidnappings” people use them recreationally all the time as a safer and healthier replacement for alcohol
Date rape drugs was never brought up in the debate if I remember correctly. You brought them up in here I feel if this was the only exception to my side of the argument that you had, you should vote the other way now. I have proven why “date rape” drugs should not be a reason not to legalize drugs. Because anything that makes you fall asleep or lose your inhibitions isn’t a date rape drug. You’d have to expand the category of date rape drugs to cover dozens of different substances and that just isn’t efficient.
Thank you for bringing this up, but This shows me you have no knowledge of pharmacology. What is a date rape drug exactly? If you’re talking about GHB you’d have to put Xanax, Vallium, etc in the same category because they do the same thing to the brain. Alcohol does the same thing as GHB to the brain as well, so is alcohol a date rape drug?
Date rape drug is not a class of drugs, if you’re talking about any drug that can make you lose consciousness, then you gotta have heroin, ketamine, PCP, alcohol, Xanax, morphine, etc all considered date rape drugs, what exact drugs are you talking about? And If you mention a drug make sure it doesn’t have the same mechanism as other drugs that you would not put in the date rape drug category or your statement would make no sense and hold no value.
The problem with your second comment is that you have not provided, nor anyone else, a single exception that’s backed by any evidence.
I had plenty of sources just couldn’t figure out how to link them as I’ve never used this site before and that’s my fault for sure. However to say I have no sources or evidence is a little ridiculous considering I cited many lines of evidence and said where exactly I got them from.
The dude said he agreed with me, so I told him to vote that’s not corruption pal.
Go ahead and drop a vote for me if you can lol
To be honest your reasoning for voting against me isn’t very logical. GHB is a “date rape” drug, but it is also used recreationally all the time. That drug is just a potent benzodiazepine like Xanax. There’s no reason it should be illegal. Also he pointed out the potential harms of heroin, no one denies the potential harms, but as I pointed out many times, risk and safety isn’t the point. We are legally allowed to do many dangerous things as free people. Also I showed many lines of evidence that most people who use heroin do not face those risks, and are not addicts. Thank you for reading all of my posts but I do not think you truly read it because you said I provided no evidence even though I presented many lines of it. He is just more well versed in the website, I presented quotes from chairmen from the NIH, stats from the NIH, stats from Portugal, etc. and yes GHB is decriminalized in Portugal.
Addiction is a misnomer in my opinion. It also depends on what you mean by addiction. Ketamine can hardly be considered highly addictive. There’s evidence it can actually treat addiction. Also to be considered an addict and be diagnosed with substance use disorder, the use or activity must be disrupting your social life or professional life. If you’re saying they have higher dependence potential that would be true. However that isn’t the point of this debate. The point of this debate is to say that cannabis is nothing special, you can look at Mitragynine, which is an opioid, and it has the same addiction and dependence potential as cannabis because it is a partial agonist at the mu-opioid receptor as well as a few others. It has also been used to treat opioid addiction as well as other drugs that have similar pharmacological properties. There’s nothing especially addictive about the opioid system, there’s nothing especially non-addictive about the cannabinoid system. Drugs like AB-phubenica and K2 have shown that.
I like the recreational debate as well, I believe all drugs should be legal to use recreationally.
It is a compliment you said that though. Thank you I spend hours of my life studying this stuff. I write as much as I read I’ve been working on a pharmacology and drug use guide of sorts for a couple years now.
I got over halfway done with a chemistry degree with a focus towards pharmacology, before my hatred for physics for scientists overcame me lol. Now I’m a geoscience major so I can still get good work. But I’m honestly mostly an autodidact on this topic. Just reads lots of pharmacology books and lots of neurochemsitry studies. There’s still a lot I don’t know and I wouldn’t consider myself a true expert, but I still plan on returning to become a pharmacologist once I get my Environmental career rolling.
No problem man, I have thick skin lmao. It’s partially my fault for not double checking what the title and stuff was before starting the debate. All good.
Yo, my bad I’m at my job working 12+ hours a day and totally forgot about this.
Maybe you and I should have this debate, if you disagree with me. I can set it up if you’d like.
Click on my profile and check out the last one I had on the same topic. Pharmacology and earth sciences are my two areas of study. Hopefully you’ll give me a vote if I can convince you!
I try to respond quickly with my arguments as well so it shouldn’t take 6 weeks to go through our debate like my last one did. That dude was annoying as hell he’d wait until there was less than one hour left and would say almost nothing of value.
Yessir that’s exactly it.
All drugs should be legalized.
Your last argument also proved one of my points and I don’t even think you noticed. Go read the fentanyl section again in your link. The second half of the description is a huge reason to legalize drugs so that stops happening.
Hey I typed way over my 10,000 character limit. I had to cut some stuff down and realized I cut a sentence in half. I said “things don’t need to be perfectly healthy to be legal…” after that before I said leading cause of preventable death I meant to say “what about cigarettes…” hope you see this before you respond.
I forgot to finish one of my points. The studies in the 1890’s done with heroin showed that there is a very simple and easy way to use heroin on patients without them withdrawing or forming a tolerance. Even back then people knew how to use it correctly it’s not hard to figure out and should be able to be implemented in todays world.