If you read my comment, which I increasingly doubt that you did, you should have noted that I said something along the lines of ‘a great STARTING POINT’ is the wiki article. The BoP is shared in this debate. Your sources, I must say, are plentiful.
'If there is a gay gene, then this gene is part of the genetic code at conception, and would not be determined at birth, but rather revealed at some point in the child's life. Much the way eye color, hair color, etc are determined at conception and revealed (not determined) at some later point in time (birth, toddler years, adulthood, etc).
Determined and revealed are not the same thing. In this case, for example, the child's sexuality is DETERMINED by the time of birth, but REVEALED later on. If this is what you are actually saying I agree, apologies though because I am tired and had trouble completely wrapping my head around that one.
Last I checked, the debate's question is 'Is Sexual Orientation determined at birth?' If you can see any relation to knowledge within said question or description, go ahead.
Thing is though, gato, that you were not explicit. The most common connotation of the verb 'determined' in this context, links to determinism, as in, pre determined. That is the implication. What you are doing, sir, is changing the definition and the derivative of the word to suit your argument, in a rather similar way to Jordan Peterson. What is clear is that you are, as @bmdrocks21 put it, 'looking for an easy win,' by titling your debate one way and arguing from a completely different perspective - deliberately misleading and confusing. If you meant 'Is Sexual Orientation known about at birth?' say that. Don't use the word 'determined,' with its completely different connotations and definition, if you mean knowledge. They are no where near the same thing.
As ‘determined’ is the verb in the title, we use that definition. According to google, definition 1 of determine/d is “cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature.” An equivocation fallacy wont help you here. As you seem confused by the contextualisation of word definitions, we can word your title in its implicit meaning, to make it far more explicit - has sexual orientation been determined at the point of birth. That is the implied direction of this debate taken by your title. You cannot change this in round 2, that is cheating.
Thanks bm, the description says nothing about knowledge, just ‘determined.’ And determined usually, as the verb, means “cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature.” This clearly has nothing to do with knowledge.
Oh, and Gatorade, changing the parameters of the debate half way through is usually called cheating.
You know, you aren’t going to win a debate by just creating the same one over and over and making the same arguments.
I feel sorry for you. His ‘God exists because I am offended that you don’t believe in him’ was hard to even read.
Why do you leave random amounts of lines between each paragraph? It makes your argument look messy and hard to read.
Thanks for the vote.
However, you said I was bordering on trolling? Can you please explain where, as this was not my intention?
It seems this will turn into another semantics debate. Does ‘white Americans’ mean ‘ALL white Americans’?
I think con has this one - medicen isn’t real
If you read my comment, which I increasingly doubt that you did, you should have noted that I said something along the lines of ‘a great STARTING POINT’ is the wiki article. The BoP is shared in this debate. Your sources, I must say, are plentiful.
Did you read round 2?
'If there is a gay gene, then this gene is part of the genetic code at conception, and would not be determined at birth, but rather revealed at some point in the child's life. Much the way eye color, hair color, etc are determined at conception and revealed (not determined) at some later point in time (birth, toddler years, adulthood, etc).
Determined and revealed are not the same thing. In this case, for example, the child's sexuality is DETERMINED by the time of birth, but REVEALED later on. If this is what you are actually saying I agree, apologies though because I am tired and had trouble completely wrapping my head around that one.
When?
What question does my argument stunt?
Now I'm confused, are you gatorade lol?
Yes I am
Last I checked, the debate's question is 'Is Sexual Orientation determined at birth?' If you can see any relation to knowledge within said question or description, go ahead.
Thing is though, gato, that you were not explicit. The most common connotation of the verb 'determined' in this context, links to determinism, as in, pre determined. That is the implication. What you are doing, sir, is changing the definition and the derivative of the word to suit your argument, in a rather similar way to Jordan Peterson. What is clear is that you are, as @bmdrocks21 put it, 'looking for an easy win,' by titling your debate one way and arguing from a completely different perspective - deliberately misleading and confusing. If you meant 'Is Sexual Orientation known about at birth?' say that. Don't use the word 'determined,' with its completely different connotations and definition, if you mean knowledge. They are no where near the same thing.
As ‘determined’ is the verb in the title, we use that definition. According to google, definition 1 of determine/d is “cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature.” An equivocation fallacy wont help you here. As you seem confused by the contextualisation of word definitions, we can word your title in its implicit meaning, to make it far more explicit - has sexual orientation been determined at the point of birth. That is the implied direction of this debate taken by your title. You cannot change this in round 2, that is cheating.
Thanks bm, the description says nothing about knowledge, just ‘determined.’ And determined usually, as the verb, means “cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature.” This clearly has nothing to do with knowledge.
Oh, and Gatorade, changing the parameters of the debate half way through is usually called cheating.
When you don't actually read the argument.
I agree with oromagi, are you pro or con?
Why/