Jarrett_Ludolph

i haven't been on here for a while and I want my account banend but I don't know who to ask to do so, help?

If I can budge in here, the reason I made this forum is because the bible gives confusing messages about slavery. In one verse,  Ephesians 6:5, the bible tells slaves to obey their masters, thus condoning slavery. but in another,  Exodus 21:16, the punishment of stealing, selling or owning people is death, thus the bible is strictly against slavery (in this verse). I will never say that the church is for slavery (it is not), but I do ask christens to clarify the confusion and contradiction there is about slavery in scripture. in one verse, the bible punishes slave-owners and slave-sellers with death, and in another verse, slaves must obey their masters.

 Ephesians 6:5 and Titus 2:9-10 seem to be clearly demanding that slaves obey and be submissive to their masters. it says that slaves should obey their earthly masters, just how they would obey Christ. this seems more of a command then a recognition of a part of reality. 

This verse tells slaves to obey their masters:

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ," - Ephesians 6:5

This verse tells slaves to be submissive to their masters:

"Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior." - Titus 2:9-10

But this one tells people to never submit to the yoke of slavery:

"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." - Galatians 5:1

This verse is against the stealing and selling of people (therefore is against slavery):

“Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death." - Exodus 21:16

this is were I found the verses:

So I must ask:

Does the Bible really support slavery? 

a successful argument is one that makes someone rethink their views, or force them to agree with you.

Yes, different people my or may not be convinced by an argument, however this is why we have debates. So in your opinion, is the Kalam a successful argument?

agreed. 

okay, you want to message me or make a forum? Also, do you want to be white or black?

what do you mean? can you play a chess game on Dart?

sure, my username in chess.com is Simple-Paradox

good grief. now that's an embarrassment to the church.

Also, If I can answer my own question, Young Earth Creationism is an embarrassment, since little to none serious philosophers or scientists support the view of 6,000 years.

you presuppose that God is Truth, however, what evidence do you have that God is prove.

Sounds like Presuppositionalism to me.

'What kind of evidence are you looking for - when you say you have not seen any evidence for God"

I will more then happily debate this with you, in a debate structure, not in a forum one.

However, I will give a quick response of what type of evidence would compel me. 

Firstly, anything that proves a God would be necessary in order to have the world around us, or that God is the only good explanation for a part of reality (for example, apparent fine tuning of the universe)

Secondly, how would I know that it's God that's appearing to me? Well, it probably wouldn't be God, for no one has directly seen God(john 1:18). However, it would probably be an Angel, many angles appeared to people in the bible. So how would I know it was an angle? Well, if it looked like what the bible describes them to be (in ezekiel 1 5-15). And if they parted the red sea, did supernatural feats, I would probably convert. And I would probably to get it on clear, nom-bleary video as well, to ensure I'm not hallucinate. Also, if the Angel could do this repeatedly, and 

Predicably, such as never falling to help someone when their family prays for healing, this would be undeniable evidence for the supernatural. 

Also, my Kalam Cosmological Argument debate is still open, if you want to take it (I thought it was relevant since the KCA is an argument for God, and if successful would be evidence for a God)

Lastly, (I don't ask this much) but what's the best way to find a miracle, I mean, is there anything I could do that would have God give me a miracle or sign? I genuinely want to know, I'm not trying to be sassy or snarky.

how is believing in an ultimate reality believing in God?  What is your definition of ultimate reality and God?

I can only speak for myself. 

The only reason why I Identify as an agnostic is because people like putting names to things, I personally would rather be unaffiliated with any word or belief. I personally have no idea if Good exists or not, nether the atheist nor the theist have successful arguments.

I guess It's possible a God exists, however, when I look at the world, I really see no evidence for a God. 

I rather not be called anything, however since there is no "none" or  "I don't know if there's a God or not" in the religion category, I choose agnostic, because even though it doesn't describe me 100% accurately, it's the closest one, and I didn't want to leave the category blank.

According to William Laine Craig (a Christian philosopher and Theologian) Young-earth Creationism complete nonsense, and hurts the church:

the question is : Is Young-Earth Creationism really hurting/is an embarrassment to the church?

Could the really be a multiverse?

theoretical physicist Brian Greene thinks so:

however, John Horgan (a science journalist) says the multiverse theory is bad for science:

so what is you thoughts on the possibility on the multiverse? 

I'm a 1082, however I have defeated a level 1500 computer without using any aid (like a chess computer, opening engine, etc..)

I'm against the KCA, so I will not be debating you if I have another one. (but thank you for the offer)

How long do you think you will continue to be Undefeated?

It takes a sick mango to do what? 

I'm more of an apple kind of guy. 

mine's a Christmas Carol (1938 version)

Thank you commentators for the responses. As always, I will not respond because I was just asking a question (and accepting the answer given) and not starting a debate with you (I would have created a debate in the debate section if I wanted to debate) . others are welcome to debate people on this forum though.

There are two ideas I want to discuss in this forum, the idea of a fallen world, and a finely tuned Universe.

The idea of a fallen world is a defense against the Problem of Evil, saying that evil entered the  world when people sinned. thus, the Problem of Evil does not bring into question God's goodness and power, because it's man's fault. This "fallen world" idea is strictly contradicted by the Teleological Argument

The Teleological Argument (or the fine tuning argument) says that the world is so perfect, that a God must have created it. 

So what is the problem with these two mindsets? 

The fallen world describes an imperfect world around us, and the fine tuned world (from the Teleological Argument) describes a prefect world around us. These two ideas contradict each other, so the Christian must either drop  the teleological argument (one of the best arguments for God), or drop the idea of a fallen world (the best response to the Problem of Evil)

if you think the world is so fallen and bad because of sin, stop trying to find design in everything!

then we just simply disagree, I think the child might have something to live for, even if it's not much, and you think the child has nothing to live for.

Life is better because death brings the end to your very existence, and death is the end. If you stop living, you will not have any more family or Friends, thus it is worse. Plus, there's still a chance the child could live out some meaningful existence, killing them would rob the child of that meaning.

TheUnderdog:

I would rather not shoot them, because even though they would be suffering, life is better then not being alive

Sum1hugme:

I would rather fight 100  pillsbury doughboys, because they are very small and weak, therefore easer to defend my self against. Plus geese fly and  pillsbury doughboys don't, so I could just climb up a ladder and be safe.

hello. sorry for responding late to you post.

I really am not familiar with Unintelligent design. It sounds like it accepts evolution. If UD accepts evolution, then I don't see any problem with it, however if UD denies evolution, then this is problematic for UD.

as for Intelligent design, since it denies evolution, it is very unlikely to be true.

Many Christians try to say that evolution contradicts the Bible, and they use this to dismiss evolution. 

Many Atheists try to say that evolution contradicts the bible, and they use this to dismiss the Bible.

But is the Biological Theory of Evolution (proposed by Charles Darwin) really at odds with the Bible?

It seems to be an overwhelming NO. the the Biological Theory of Evolution (proposed by Charles Darwin) IS NOT at odds with the Bible, (your welcome Christians)

six reasons why the bible is compatible with evolution:

Also, William Lain Craig (a Christian Philosopher) saying that Genesis 1-3 should be taken figuratively:

   https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/question-answer/must-we-interpret-genesis-1-3-literally

William Lain Craig is one of the most influence philosophers alive

Also, Francisco Ayala, one of the most most inflectional  Christian  thinkers, is an evolutionarily biologist:

 https://superscholar.org/features/20-most-influential-christian-scholars/

Correction, favorite arguments against God sorry

Here are some quotes I live by:

Love is our greatest virture, and greed, is our worse vice

It's better to endure the bitter truth, then to enjoy a sweet lie

we all have the greatest potential for good, and the worst evil, but it only matters which side we yearn to be.  

Do not take the simple path, just because it is easy, for it may forever haunt your destiny. 

Heroes aren’t brave because of what they do without fear, but what they do despite of it.

"I do not know if God exists, we do not have enough information  to make any sort of conclusion on the matter" - the agnostic

Put forth your best arguments for the existence of a God. I will define God as Maximal Great Being, that is omnipotence(all powerful), omniscience, (all knowing) and omnipresence (all loving).

I will not be responding to your arguments, since this a forum, and if I wanted to debate, I would have created a debate. I just want to see how you think

Thankyou

Put forth your best arguments for the existence of a God. I will define God as Maximal Great Being, that is omnipotence(all powerful), omniscience, (all knowing) and omnipresence (all loving).

I will not be responding to your arguments, since this a forum, and if I wanted o debate, I would have created a debate. I just want to see how you think

Thankyou

I can accept your answer.

But as for this comment right here:

I think the reason which is obvious why you have not provided others is because there are so few religious books which actually declare this, it surprised you. In fact I would not be surprised that you could not find any other except the two you found - one which is actually the BIBLE anyway and the second which is so vague that it could mean anything and does not specifically say it is God's word.  

No, it's really because they were the easiest to get, without starting a debate, I will state that what you said was false, since you cannot read my mind, with all do respect.

I usually don't respond to comments on my forum since I use the forums to ask questions, and not to debate.  However, since you want clarification, I shall provide. It's also important to note that you didn't give me a reason to believe that the bible is the word of God.

The Quran says that it's the word of God, saying:

And there is no living creature on earth but depends for its sustenance on God; and He knows its time-limit [on earth] and its resting-place [after death]: all [this] is laid down in [His] clear book[1]

Next the Torah, since the Torah is the first five books of the old testament [2] we can use any verses from there.

"If you will not observe and obey all the words of this Torah that are written in this book, so that you will fear this glorious and awesome name, ADONAI your God; 59 then ADONAI will strike down you and your descendants with extraordinary plagues and severe sicknesses(deuteronomy) 28: 58-59"[3]

This clearly states that The Torah is God's book, since obeying the Torah is obeying God

For obvious reasons, it would be too impractical to show every religious text that claims to be the word of God, so I just used two that are common and easy to look up verses in. So to answer your question, at least two others

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What, exactly, is your basis for believing that the Bible is True? Cannot use "because the Bible says so" in your answer, since any religion would be true by that standard.

Most Atheists say that Atheism is a lack of belief. Most Christians say that Atheism is an active belief. To muddy the waters further I saw a video a year or so ago with an atheist professor (Graham Oppy) saying that atheists BELIEVE that there are no gods[1]. So is Atheism a belief or lack of belief? Do atheists believe that there are no gods, or do they lack a belief in gods?

I'm an agnostic that doesn't believe nor disbelief in God.

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Many Christians believe that the culture is against Christianity, or at least that's the impression I get. However, 70 percent of American is Christian[1], so how could the culture be against Christianity, or secular, if a major of it is Christian? Which way does the culture lean? Christian or not Christian?

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Do you believe that the bible contain conntradictions? If so, what does this mean? Why or why not? 

What do you believe (Christianity, Islam ,theism, Deism, Atheistism, Agnosticism, ect.) And why do you believe it? What evidence or arguments persuade you to your position?

What do you believe (Christianity, Islam ,theism, Deism, Atheistism, Agnosticism, ect.) And why do you believe it? What evidence or arguments persuade you to your position?