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@Lunatic
Ultimately why I changed it to double town, less issues functionally but the idea seemed cool if you could make it work mechanically. What did you think of basically being two people
I thought it was good and basically town confirmed me. Helped us win the game basically
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@WyIted
It's the only way to make it fair with 2 wincon lol. How would you do it
I wouldn’t, that’s the point, and no one should
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@WyIted
Bro you only get the wincon of the last one alive . That's how it would play out
That’s stupid lol
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@Lunatic
Assuming town just let you live like they did and assume your town confirmed
No like, I would’ve just said Pie2 is scum and Pie1 is town. Feel free to lynch both, I win either way lol
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@Lunatic
Pies role was initially going to be one scum one one town, and he wouldnt know which was which to force him into choosing a side. I decided it would be too obvious though and scrapped that idea and put in wylteds role instead. Ironically a lot more people town confirmed pie than I figured would, which is surprising considering my original intentions with the role.
At that point, I wouldn’t care lol. I’d win no matter what lmao. All I would’ve had to do was chill
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@WyIted
The no lynch today was because I could only win here with a no lynch
Yep you prob had a vote thief or something
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@Bullish
Town came in like a train on this one
Don’t blame me, I only voted you cause of Casey and Vader
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@Vader
I want to think about this a bit more than what is given. Pretty easily could just say fuck it and be done but I want to make sure all the alternatives are right here.
A) It’s bastard to give someone 2 affiliations
B) Let’s say I am 2 affiliations, why would I kms and get rid of my second vote
C) Wylted started phishing for info at the beginning of DP1
D) He was super happy to lynch Bullish and “didn’t want to waste time, but now wants you to No Lynch cause he prob has a Vote Thief or something
E) He literally said he was willing to be lynched if we voted Bullish today
F) You know Casey is confirmed town
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@Vader
I find it hard to believe that there is no investigative versus 2 protectors. I think we lose more if we keep Bullish alive. Either way game is essentially solves
Roleblocker is pseudo investigative. But alright, if we lose, it’s on you and Casey
Pie1 unvotes
VTL Bullish (Pie1)
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@WyIted
This is absolutely insane. To fucking hold up the game for this nonsense. I don't know why we are pushing it to another DP. I could see pie pulling this exact same bullshit tomorrow and making another excuse not to lynch Bullish.
Literally if you flip town, I 100% of the time vote Bullish because Casey is mechanically confirmed town.
We have to drag out the game another 3 DPS due to silliness.Fucking hammer Bullish and stop being a silly goose
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@Vader
@Casey_Risk
Look, if we kill Wylted and he's town, Bullish will waive the NK and say he RB'd me and then it's gonna be a whole Thing.
Not really, cause it’s not believable for a couple of reasons: You prevented the NK NP1, so you’re mechanically town confirmed. I will always vote Bullish tomorrow over you. And second it’s MYLO at that point so any “results” he gets are going to be lies anyways.
It's the only way he can win as scum at this point. I don't think you'll buy it, but I also don’t want to drag this game out. If Vader votes for Bullish, will you do the same? If he's town, we just vote Wylted afterwards. What arguments could he possibly use to defend himself?
My main worry is that Wylted has the extra NK and is a Vote Thief. There’s a cannibal serial killer who has a Burglary charge on him that makes perfect sense for a Vote Thief. Why worry about that at all when we can just lynch Wylted. Even if Bullish has the Vote Thief, it’s likely going to be 1x so we’re protected at MYLO anyways.
But to answer your question, if Vader votes Bullish, I’ll hammer. Just know the risk we’re taking
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@Vader
@Casey_Risk
I think lynching Wylted is safer because there’s no way in hell Bullish has the second NK.
@Casey
Roleblocker is a pseudo-investigative role as well because if there’s no kill, the person is definitely guilty. I think behaviorally Wylted is far more scummier than Bullish. And worst case, we get Bullish tomorrow.
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@Casey_Risk
I actually think voting Casey is less risky
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@Casey_Risk
Have to get back to work, but briefly, I'm fine with either order but I feel like it's just Bullish. Waiting for Vader to show up and share his thoughts but I just want to win this game today.
Aight, I think ur vote is already on him
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@Casey_Risk
What are the downsides with lynching Wylted vs Bullish from your POV and what reads do you have on both?
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Behaviorally I scumread Wylted more, but role wise it’s Bullish. Very tough call. And Supa is AWOL even though he should be leading this thing.
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@Bullish
I like your plan, but only issue is the fact that scum could have the second NK + a Vote Thief/Triplevoter/etc and the combination of those two is game over.
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@Bullish
regarding this flipped item in the OP1x Belt of Nipples: The receiver of this belt will feel pretty, and motivated, gaining a second use to their night action abilities that night, assuming they have one.does it affect the factional night kill?
I asked him in DMs and he said yes. Ask in DMs and he will def answer
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@Vader
You’re triple confirmed. What are your thoughts
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The only way we lose this is if scum have the 2nd NK + Vote Thief + we mislynch here.
Roleblocker doesn’t make much sense from a setup perspective. Tracker does though. And it makes sense if the 3rd scum is relatively powerful, and a RB or Vote Thief fits that MO.
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@WyIted
We could theoretically no lync alsoNot sure if that advances the game though
That’s not an option at all especially with the possibility of a second scum NK
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@WyIted
Hold on doesn't Austin have an item that could theoretically give him an extra NK
Did Austin give you anything last night?
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@WyIted
Hold on doesn't Austin have an item that could theoretically give him an extra NK
Yes, he does. I was thinking about that as well, but it wouldn’t do him any good unless it was in combo with a Vote Thief or Doublevoter. Interesting
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@Vader
@Bullish
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
Did Austin give you an item last night?
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@WyIted
You aren't promising to lynch him next dp. Promise you will not even talk. Just simply vote bullshit next DP and I will lay on the sword.I will however take a nap before work so make up your mind while I am napping but it's absolutely retarded to drag this game out
I need to think of ways Bullish could theoretically win if he’s scum with his plan. But even if we lynch him, you get lynched tomorrow
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@WyIted
Not everyone.Just end the game bro. I don't know how post 73 is not a confession just put the nail in the coffin while lunatic is awake. Why are we dragging this out another DP
Why are you not happy? Take one for the team if you’re town. He can’t win no matter what he does.
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@Casey_Risk
I'm definitely willing to believe this. I was swayed somewhat by Pie's argument in #69, but now I'm back to thinking it has to be Bullish.Also, saying you'll roleblock the only claimed protective role who is mechanically confirmed is so scummy. Let's just lynch Bullish and win.
I disagree. His plan covers all bases. He can’t win even if we lynch Wylted today.
5-1 today
3-1 tomorrow assuming Wylted is town.
Even if Bullish is a Vote Thief, a 2-2 tie at MYLO means it’s wasted and goes to 2-1 tomorrow and Bullish still loses. If Luna had a 2x Vote Thief and allows its use at MYLO/LYLO, it’s basically bastard.
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@Bullish
@Casey_Risk
Do not lynch me. Since there is only 1 scum left, there is no ambiguity if I block the NK.Vader and Pie 1/2 are confirmed. There's only 3 of us in the PoE.We lynch Wylted. This NP I block Casey. If an NK happens just lynch me.If an NK does NOT happen then we actually gain an extra lynch because we avoid MyLo. In that case just lynch both me and casey.VTL Wylted.
I actually agree with this plan. It covers all of our bases.
If Wylted is scum, we win right here.
If Bullish is scum and NK goes through and we lynch Bullish for lying.
If Casey is scum, then NK doesn’t go through tomorrow and we gain a lynch and lynch both Bullish and Casey
Everyone should be happy here
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@Casey_Risk
I think Bullish has to be Town because look at Austin’s flip:
1x Chair Covered in Human skin: The receiver of this chair may use this to rest and recover an extra shot to any limited time use abilities, though they won’t be able to use it until the following night. They may not use this chair the same night they use another ability.
Bullish is the only claimed person who can use this. And it makes sense there’s at least one townie who can benefit from this from a balance POV. I also don’t think Savant and That2 would’ve made the same mistakes they did if Bullish was their partner vs Wylted. I’m leaving towards Wylted right now.
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@WyIted
So all you have to do to make something like pies role work is tell him one is scum and one isn't but don't tell him which is which. He also hasn't claimed yet unless I missed it. The only thing pie has to do with a wincon like that is just avoid being lynched and if his heart tells him town and it would than he would just hunt scum as normal but have his role as a back up.
I did claim. And this theory doesn’t make sense cause this means I win regardless of what happens. I can’t both be scum and town lol
I swear 2 out of the last 3 lunatic games had like flipping roles but it was at least one, so something like that makes sense.I think far more likely is Casey is scum. That CC literally 5 minutes after Casey claims makes no sense, so I am probably speculating too much about others but good God the game is over the second we lynch Casey and we need to stop overthinking it.VTL casey
Casey is mechanically confirmed town and so is Supa
The off chance she is town we can think about later. I think if she is town we force a no lynch or lynch one of towns people to test my theory. We probably no lynch and then if bullish is still around than we lynch him. I don't think pie is scum but I am not town clearing him that's retarded.I guess and this is a stream of consciousness I think yes the last scum is between Bullish and Casey. Roleblocker is a scummy sounding role anyway and it does the same thing as doctor. It prevents NKs .So we have Casey who is a doctor and bullish is essentially a doctor but I would call it a reverse doctor. Bullish claim is also a kinda CC but he was early on the savant lynch so I think lynch Casey and game is over but on the off chance it isn't we lynch bullish. If pie is town than he will probably have one of his characters killed so that will clear him.
Lol the game is over. Just quit. It’s mechanically confirmed that scum is you or Bullish
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@WyIted
Hold on. WTF why is Casey town?
How else do you explain the lack of NK? You tracked That2 to WF meaning she used Janitor on WF, butvWF didn’t die. Casey had to have saved WF. There’s no other way this works
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@Casey_Risk
Game is solved either way. Who do you wanna lynch first
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@Casey_Risk
BTW, has anyone else noticed that no one has claimed to have received an invention from Austin last night?
Austin gave it to him NP1 apparently and prob NP2 as well
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Game is solved. We lynch Wylted, and then we lynch Bullish.
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@Vader
Justification: This was on of the earliest serial killings where there were accomplices. Because of this, I am in the game as two players. I don’t have any night actions and am therefore Vanilla but as long as both partners are alive, I can vote twice; I have to specificy which Pie is voting though.
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1. Casey_Risk - Harold Shipman - Doctor
2. Bullish - John Wayne Gacy - 2x Roleblocker
3. iLikePie5 (1) - Dean Corll - Vanilla (Doublevoter as long as partner alive)
4. ILikePie5 (2) - Elmer Wayne Henly - Vanilla (Doublevoter as long as partner alive)
5. Supadudz - Ted Bundy - Popular
6. Wylted - Richard Ramirez - Tracker
Savant - Albert Fish - Messenger
That2 - Jeffrey Dahmer - Janitor
Whiteflame - Aileen Wuornos - Lover
Austin - Ed Gein - Inventor
So out of this list, Pie1, Pie2, and Casey are lock town. That leaves Bullish, Supa, Wylted as POE
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1. Casey_Risk - Harold Shipman - Doctor
2. Bullish - John Wayne Gacy - ???
3. iLikePie5 (1)
4. ILikePie5 (2)
5. Supadudz - Ted Bundy - Popular
6. Wylted - Richard Ramirez - Tracker
Savant - Albert Fish - Messenger
That2 - Jeffrey Dahmer - Janitor
Whiteflame - Aileen Wuornos - Lover
Austin - Ed Gein - Inventor
So out of this list, Pie1, Pie2, and Casey are lock town. That leaves Bullish, Supa, Wylted as POE
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So we know for a fact that Wylted and Casey cannot both be scum.
Wylted tracked That2 to WF last night.
Casey protected WF last night.
This means that Casey has to be town because otherwise the lack of NK doesn’t make sense. Wylted could still be scum though because he would know That2 tried to NK WF during NP1.
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