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@Dr.Franklin
Im gonna be honest: your kinda retarded
Lol, says the guy who wrote this title...
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@Mopac
He was nothing like you, troll. Jesus was a compassionate person who tried to get through numbskulls like you who are intolerant, ignorant and hateful towards others. You would have been one of those in the crowd throwing stones and yelling obscenities at him while he died on the cross. So, just think about yourself and then think about the opposite of yourself.Well why don't you tell us what you think Jesus was about?
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@Mopac
What's interesting is that I probably have a far better understanding of what Jesus was talking about then you.Jesus loves you, goldtop.
Jesus would not sit there all day repeating Ultimate Reality over and over in everyone's face. You don't get him at all, you have some warped idiotoic version of what Jesus was saying.
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@Mopac
There goes the troll again, spewing his hatred of others, no morals or ethics whatsoever.The hatred that atheists express in so many ways, combined with historical precedent of atheist governments treating religion other than state worship as an infection comparable to lice.
I am not going to listen to you
Yes, we know, you never do listen to anyone, you just keep trolling, trolling, trolling and hating, hating, hating.
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All atheists talk about is how they hate organized religion. And theists.
This is classic, after Christianity has bullied and kicked others around for 20 centuries, those people are finally getting fed up and not taking it anymore and theists are all getting their panties tied in knots and deciding we're all hateful bigots and persecutors. Oh boo fucking hoo witchypoo. Save your rhetoric for someone who gives a flying fuck.
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@crossed
Sorry, but I don't acknowledge the concept of sin, hence I don't do anything wrong. Of course, if you are always sinning, then you should probably have a look at the morals and ethics you follow, they clearly do not work.everyone sins so saying you do not do anything wrong is stupid
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@RoderickSpode
Is that your neighborhood? Yes, they help people there, Rod.And no where to be found in that low-income urban neighborhood I was talking about.
Beyond Belief is affiliated with a group called Minnesota Atheists
Being affiliated with another group does not define that group. Another really dumb thing to say, Rod.
But yes, they are promoting atheism
Notice that you are talking about some other organization that I did not refer, which means you have created a Strawman Argument, most likely because you can't form a valid argument.
They're pretty clear that they want people of religion to alter their religious beliefs to conform to the way the want society to be.
No, that's what Christianity has demanded of people for centuries. The Humanist Manifesto is a point of view that doesn't require gods and stands as a position of taking responsibility for our actions.
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@RoderickSpode
the term originated from a comment Richard Dawkins made
Nope, it's actually a pejorative term bestowed on some atheists by alarmed conservatives and theists. There is no term universally used among atheists themselves. In general, these are atheists who "don't know their place". They're activists, energetically pushing back against the encroachment of religious symbology, beliefs, and legislation into the common space. They file suits against local governments that allow the Ten Commandments to adorn their walls and which endorse manger scenes on their lawns at Christmas. They complain and litigate against prayers opening public business meetings. And so forth. This naturally infuriates the theistic majority, which assumes that they can always retain the power they've enjoyed until now. Consequently they have tried to smear the atheistic efforts by calling them "militant" and styling themselves as innocent victims of overly aggressive troublemakers.
But am I wrong?
You're certainly not right.
The term dumbass
... means you are saying dumb things as I point them out and explain them. Since you're using a pejorative, I'll do the same.
you think Christians have to agree on everything
Of course, they should, if they don't then they are against the word of their God. This is the problem faced by multiple denominations, they show just how stupid they are by deciding what their God says as opposed to what their God demands of them. Christians fail miserably at understanding this simple concept.
No, they tend to write their own books on how WE are supposed to think and behave.
If you refer to scientists, then that's just another really dumb thing to say.
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i have explained why i believe
Your explanations are irrational, illogical and literally incomprehensible. It's like you've been living in a cave for centuries and just emerged into modern civilization. Does lightning and thunder still frighten you because you believe they're angry gods?
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@crossed
No, this is what you said...firstly i said people mistake depression for ungodliness
if you believe these thing. chances are you believe you are depressed. when in fact your inability to be happy is caused by ungodliness.
If you can't remember what you said, just read your own posts.
when you hit you hand you feel pain...when you do something bad you should feel guilty.
Everyone feels pain, that's how we evolved. I don't do bad things so there's no need to feel guilty.
and the people who believe in god are just stupid
Couldn't agree with you more.
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@crossed
Your beliefs appear to have not changed at all.people believes have changed thought the century's.
people today do not believe in god because they believe they worshiped gods because they were stupid. when in reality they worshiped these gods because demons were like worship me or i will use black magic
Yes, that's just what I was referring, you think like someone from the Bronze Age.
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@crossed
No, you can't say the same thing because your parents love you unconditionally while God has many conditions. As well, your parents won't send you to an eternal pit of fire if you do something wrong.you could say the same thing about parents do love your parents.
Parents have compassion, God does not.
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@crossed
Not at all, there are religious and non-religious people who are depressed because it has more to do with mental health and not lack of God.if you believe these thing. chances are you believe you are depressed
if you do not have that little voice in your head that tells you right from wrong. you may believe that you are a sociopath
That's called, talking to yourself, everyone does that. Sociopaths, again have mental health issues, not lack of God issues.
long ago when god kicked demons out of heaven they when to earth... i believe that these gods are just demons. the devil made them rich they bought all there luxury like mansions. but then satan turned on them and started haunting them. thats why all the haunted houses are mansions and not poor people
Your intellect has yet to evolve past the Bronze Age. Only small children believe such nonsense.
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@Mopac
The Fourth Crusade in 1204 which led to the loss of those lands to the Muslims later. It was never forgotten by the church how you bozos blundered that one. The Pope was quite happy to be rid of the lot of you.
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@Mopac
As would you if you had your way. Or, like the Orthodox did to Constantinople when they sacked and pillaged it without the consent of the Pope.Muslims who would kill you for denying God, by the way
But, I'm sure you personally had nothing to do with it, so why worry about it now, it was all in the past.
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@PGA2.0
You're missing the point entirely, it is YOU who cannot discuss or hold a "REASONABLE" conversation on the subject.it just goes to show that when someone cannot discuss and hold a reasonable conversation on the subject
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@RoderickSpode
They help humans, yes. They're not in it for themselves as the Churches are to get converts.Most of what you listed I think are humanist organizations.
Humanist groups work in the same network as atheist activist groups. They have an agenda. Yes, they are looking for conversions (to atheism).
Prove that or admit you're lying, because you are lying, again.
Or are you objecting to the term militant atheists?
Of course, but since you're going to use it, I'll use the appropriate term for you and your group: Dumbass Christians.
I seriously think you'd rather see someone starve to death than be converted.
Yes, that would be something a Dumbass Christian would say.
Well, militant atheists do tend to think they're intelligent.
Dumbass Christians constantly prove that they're not intelligent, yet believe they are.
You know full well that this person understands religious fighting to mean blood shedding. As in war. As in military combat.
Again, prove this or admit you're just making up more bs to defend your argument.
By the way, politicians don't agree with each other
This is as bad as your EU argument in the other thread, they are not the same thing at all.
Scientists don't agree with each other. Atheists don't agree with each other for crying out loud.
So what. Scientists and atheists don't have a God who wrote a book outlining exactly how YOU are supposed to think and behave. This argument has failed miserably Rod, you're just yanking a straws now.
I NEVER SUPPORTED TRUMP.
Well, at least you've got one sensible thing to say.
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No, that wasn't a holocaust, that was the usual fighting and warring we have observed between Christians and Muslims for centuries, troll.Do you deny the holocaust as well, goldtop?
Do you deny the Crusades, the Inquisitions and even the current slaughtering of Muslims by Christians, troll?
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@RoderickSpode
Different regions? Not likely. Different beliefs on Biblical "Truths"? Yeah, that's the one. And, this is very important considering that to one denomination, it would be Truth, while another it isn't. Serious problem for Christianity.And this doesn't mean that there's any significant difference in many of them as their identification may only imply a different region or emphasis on a specific biblical truth. At least I'd like to think most of them do.
Then, you should have no problem with slavery as the Bible does not condemn that either. See how your argument is wrong?First off, I would argue that there's really nothing wrong with denominations. The Bible doesn't directly condemn denominations. The Bible doesn'teven condemn having doctrinal differences.
So to argue against denominations is similar to arguing against independent nations within the EU. Dissing the member nations of the EU for having their own languages and ethnicity.
That has to be one of the silliest arguments considering Christianity is not at all like the EU, completely different. Terrible argument.
A unique spiritual foundation resulting in unique giftings and revelation designed to strengthen the entire body of believers.
Hilarious! The entire body of believers is NOT strengthened by denominations, the are weakened because they don't agree with one another.
This argument failed miserably, Rod.
If you want to compare Christianity, then use Communism. Lenin was their "Cult of Personality' who died yet was still worshipped and obeyed by the Soviets, just like Jesus. They have a single doctrine to follow, yet there were no denominations of Communism, yet it still failed.
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@ludofl3x
You never will get a straight answer on the question. Christians are lazy, they are lazy to do things, they are lazy to think, they are lazy to have morals and ethics. They prefer faith over doing anything as that allows them to be lazy. If works trumped faith, then they would no longer need faith.I never get a straight answer from CHristians on that question.
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@Mopac
I understand what you think will happen.
Hey dummy, it's already happening, Christianity is on the down trend. People are leaving it in droves.
And even if this frustrating truth leads to the killing of us
Educating people doesn't kill them.
We will outlast our persecuters
Always pretending to be the victims when in reality you are the perpetrators.
The Church isn't going anywhere, and those who make The Church its enemy will be shamed in the end.
I have no problem living with a bit of shame if the Church completely disappeared. Of course, I wouldn't be living in any shame, it would be glorious.
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@Mopac
You hate almost everyone here with every fiber of your being, you have made that sparkling crystal clear.I certainly do not hate you, Goldtop. And Jesus loves you.
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@RoderickSpode
And, that's because the vast majority of Americans are Christian, Rod? Lol.Most of Obama's supporters were Christians.
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@RoderickSpode
We're already there, he is a dictator and he loves nazis because that's how he rules. He doesn't have brains in his head so he's forced to behave like a dictator. This will all come out in the wash and folks like yourself who supported Trump will be the most humiliated folks on the planet. Actually, you probably already are.No, I'm fully confident that Trump is not going to turn America into a Nazi-type dictatorship
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@RoderickSpode
Those people aren't stupid, Rod, they don't appreciate the work churches do at all for the very same reason everyone understands, that they are only in it to convert others to Christianity. This is common knowledge and the only folks who deny it are the Christians.These organizations are fine, and do wonderful work. You live in a fantasy if you think they're enough. I bet most of the people in those organizations understand that, and appreciate the work local churches do.
militant atheists
You're being dishonest again, there's no such thing driving non-religious charity organizations, but you're only to happy to say such things so you can pretend to be the victims here.
People are always going to examine, consider, convert to religion.
Far less people will be converted if the churches weren't there to deceive them into pretending they're helping them.
No one thinks militant atheists and activists are particularly intelligent.
You're lying again.
And the Christians fighting each other is one of the stupidest arguments some atheists make.
You will never be able to support that claim for the simple reason that there are tens of thousands of denominations fighting each other over who has the best brand of Christianity, that is by far one the stupidest things about Christianity. You can't even agree with each other let alone anyone else.
But we all know what this about, Rod, so you don't have to feign ignorance. It's not about helping others, it's all about having your cake and eating it too. You want to have your church so you can go there to re-affirm your indoctrination and take your family there so you can indoctrinate your children. Without the local churches, that would pretty hard to do and the Clergy knows that, hence the reason churches have to continue to exist.
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@ludofl3x
Sure, an atheist could give his life to save the world, but will burn for an eternity in hell fire for not having faith in Jesus. God works in mysterious ways.
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@Mopac
I'm sorry you get that impression which certainly is rooted in some type of misunderstanding.
You're not sorry at all, you love to hate us, that's what your religion teaches you.
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@3RU7AL
That's hilarious coming from you, who has yet to debate anything without using fallacies. Lol.
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@Mopac
In other words, all you produce is delusion.We Orthodox understand the process through what we call synergism. We are saved by the divine grace of God, but we have to work with it. We have to cooperate. Faith and works is united in faithfulness, cooperation with divine grace. The work we do is purification of the heart. That is, to abide in The Truth. The True Vine.
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@Mopac
You'll have to kill us all off first.The church isn't going away.
You don't seem to understand how it will work. You along with your ilk will eventually die off. It will be your children's children who will get educated and will willingly leave the church such that the flock will dwindle and the church can no longer survive. You and I both will not see the downfall of the church, but it will happen, notwithstanding.
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@3RU7AL
As usual, your reading comprehension and thinking skills are literally non-existent. You should read more books and educate yourself, perhaps take some remedial reading courses so you can understand what other people are saying as opposed to what you believe they are saying.
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@Mopac
Quite the contrary, we hold free will in reverence which naturally make us tolerant.
It's amazing how nonsense just flows out of you without any thought process. The vast majority of your posts demonstrate well beyond a shadow of a doubt just how intolerant you are to everyone here.
But really, we have a way better way than tolerance even. Charity.
There is no charity in Christianity, which comes at a very high price; that of one's honesty, integrity, morals and ethics... and of course, tolerance of others, all to be buried along with any other compassionate human attributes.
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Amazing how one smart guy with one argument can decimate an entire group of believers who can barely form coherent sentences. Love it.
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@RoderickSpode
GoodwillBut even if such a silly thing happened, if we limited it to places with no such agenda as you put it, we'd have to exclude atheist activist organizations. But maybe you can fill me in on what type of places are you talking about?
Rotary
Foundation Beyond Belief
Engineers Without Borders
Doctors Without Borders
Unicef
Wheelchair Foundation
PlanUSA
All of these charity organizations (and many more) can do what your churches do and much much more, all without the threat of being converted to Christianity. And, there aren't thousands of denominations of each organization fighting each other over what brand of Christianity is right and what others are to be converted. Once closed down, the buildings and land could be used to house homeless folks. Win win all around.
Fortunately Goldtop, we don't live in a Nazi-type dictatorship.
Yes, we are, Trump and Republican Party are in power and we know how much Trump loves Nazi's.
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@Mopac
Yes, we know, that's the problem, you and your Christian ilk can't tolerate others and like the extreme Muslims, you have much in common.not tolerated.
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@janesix
Unfortunately, intuition is often wrong and is usually always trumped by facts and evidence.I feel intuitively
This is why you fail.
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@janesix
More pretentious drivel.
Translation: "I hate smart people!"
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@Mopac
Absolutely brilliant argument, the kind I've come to expect from folks around here. Of course, we are all stupid and deserve to be mocked according to Mopac who has long divorced himself from logic, reason, rationale and most of reality.There is nothing rational about this argument. In fact, it is so stupid the person who came up with it is deserving of mockery.
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@3RU7AL
Far and away better than you, dude. Have you ever moderated a forum? I've moderated several well run forums. This is one of the worst run forums, the admins and mods are completely clueless on how to run a forum. They admitted from the get go they had no idea. They still don't.You don't seem to understand how a public forum works.
You have, however succeeded in convincing me that your claims are baseless.
Coming from you, that's laughable as you're one of the worst debaters here and have made countless baseless claims that others have easily called you out on, but unfortunately, you were incapable of rising to the occasion. Again, go read a book and learn something about reality. There's a good boy.
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@janesix
This is certainly the correct forum for saying crazy things while being oblivious to or denying facts and evidence. You go girl! Crazy is in vogue these days.God created this universe,and I believe he did it through numbers and vibration
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That is why it is posted under metaphysics, and not math or science. It is spirituality, or religion. Thus me postng this in the religion section here.
That's fair, this is the baloney forum where people say all kinds of crazy things, so you're right in that it's in the right forum.
And no, Tangents and Trigonometry are not spiritual or religious or metaphysical. So, you're just blowing lots of hot air.
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Whatever you were working out, it has nothing to do with math or science. It looks like you just made everything up in your head. None of it makes any sense at all. It confirms you have no concept of what a tangent is.I worked for hours for several days to figure this out. I DARE you to find this anywhere on the internet
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@janesix
I am wrong about my numbers? I don't think so.
First of all, it doesn't even appear you know that a Tangent even is and secondly, the tangent of 432 is -32.237 and the tangent of 108 is 2.468, so yes, your numbers are way wrong.
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@janesix
I am wrong about my numbers? I don't think so.
Then, you should have no problem showing me all your work and explaining how you got there. Of course, I know you didn't do any such work and just copied and pasted it from somewhere, right? Tell us honestly, you don't know anything about trigonometry, right?
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@janesix
And, anyone can easily check all of his work to find out he was lying. Hence, he sold books filled with lies to gullible people who bought them. What's worse about that are the folks who continue to defend him.Actually, I have checked, and came to the conclusion he was wrong about the code, which i already told you.
I have repeatedly ask for PROOF
And, I have provided evidence he was lying as have many others, as can you, but since you're mathematically and scientific illiterate, I don't suspect you ever will. The proof is in his work, which is based on lies.
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@janesix
Because you're mathematically and scientific illiterate and choose to believe in magical nonsense, fraudsters and liars.I don't think he was/is a liar.
Numbers considered to be sacred throughout history fall into a set of several tangents. Like the number 432 is tangent 3.077.and 108 is tangent -3.077.
You haven't got a friggin clue what you're talking about. Lol. This is trigonometry and I doubt you even know your multiplication tables. So, not only do you defend and support frauds and hucksters, you want to become one yourself.
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@janesix
Since you're both mathematically and scientifically illiterate and have never checked Muncks work, there's no reason for anyone to prove anything to you. Folks who aren't illiterate can see for themselves he is a fraud by checking his work and finding he was lying about many things so that he could fool others who didn't check his work. I already showed you he lied about Stonehenge. Here are some more examples of his lies...
- location of Earthwork at Newark
- center of Earthwork
- diameter of Earthwork
- distance of Giza to Newark
- location of Goloring in Germany
- relationship of Giza and Stonehenge
All of these lies were found in the first 15 minutes of his 3 hour video. Of course, Munck just balks at these obvious lies, but his gullible followers who never check his work gooble it all up.
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@janesix
Can you show anything right about his work?And he isn't wrong about everything.
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