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@Casey_Risk
No, but I might gain an interest at some point in the future. If I do, I'll let you know.
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@Lemming
I don't want to explain them here at the moment but I'll likely do so in a debate sometime in the near future.
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@Lemming
"Solid" might not be the right term, I meant that the arguments (at least in the way I currently understand them) link together in a way that is difficult for most to understand.
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@3RU7AL
Motivational/psychological hedonism is at least practically accurate.
I believe it's an important hypothesis and I think I have some decent arguments for it, but they aren't quite as solid as I would like.
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@Best.Korea
There is clearly no point in discussing this with you. You didn't seriously consider it or you would see the obvious counterarguments to all of your arguments.
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@Best.Korea
As an anarchist, I think anti-anarchists can answer these questions.
1. If you need government to protect you, who is going to protect you from government?2. If you need government to enforce order, who will enforce order within government?3. If you need to give power to government to be safe, what will keep you safe from government's power?
A. One could aim for a country with a different education system that allows for much more logical people. If you have a populace made up of such people, they could effectively cooperate and strategize to protect people and keep them safe from government or enforce order within government. In such a scenario, the everyday people would protect you from government, and government would manage a military to effectively protect the everyday people from external threats. The military would also be made up of logical people (and if any attempt was made to change that, people would immediately recognize it as a massive threat).
B. Anti-anarchists could also answer with something like "no one could do these things very effectively, but its better than the chaotic alternative."
The methods for how a stateless nation could function effectively and avoid chaos are not immediately obvious, and there are arguments that at first seem to very clearly demonstrate that it's impossible.
C. "One part of government can keep you safe from another, and the other can keep you safe from the first."
A checks and balances system seems to generally be hard to maintain, but if it's possible to mitigate the advantage some people have via their power and money, it seemingly could be possible to maintain. That's easier said than done, but as an example of a semi-promising strategy...
Imagine you have ten departments, all with the same purpose:
a. Frequently check all the other departments for any monetary/power manipulation being used to alter the department's decisions, especially the more important ones.
b. Semi-randomly distribute some of the tasks that the government has been entrusted to take care of to the other departments.
c. Work to complete the tasks assigned to it.
Conclusion
I'm not arguing that these answers are foolproof, but they're at least decently promising on the surface. The questions cannot be treated as knockout blows to anti-anarchism with the existence of such answers, in my opinion.
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@CatholicApologetics
From my perspective:
- The lack of substantial evidence in any form (I have counterarguments to all the theist arguments I've become somewhat familiar with and I don't think I'm aware of good counter-counterarguments) and Occam's Razor.
- The seemingly logically contradictory notion of being able to consciously cause a different outcome than what occurred (and the subsequent indication that moral desert seems to be unjustified).
- Inverted Pascal's Wager seems to work just as well or better.
- The lack of substantial evidence in any form (I have counterarguments to all the theist arguments I've become somewhat familiar with and I don't think I'm aware of good counter-counterarguments) and Occam's Razor.
- The seemingly logically contradictory notion of being able to consciously cause a different outcome than what occurred (and the subsequent indication that moral desert seems to be unjustified).
- Inverted Pascal's Wager seems to work just as well or better.
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@WyIted
I believe I understand how you're classifying morality. I'm just arguing that the way you're classifying it has been done before and would normally be called moral subjectivism, and that calling it "objective morality" is thus misleading, even if morality is objective in a sense given your position.
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Wylted, as far as I can tell, you're describing a type of moral subjectivism. I believe "objective morality" usually refers to moral objectivism.
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I've recently been doing research on democratic schooling and it seems there's a style of schooling called "Sudbury schooling" in which the school is run by direct democracy. That would include firing teachers as well as much more, and from what I've seen they seem to work pretty well.
Here's a link to resources I've come across on the subject: http://69.133.99.77/kme/sources/Psychology/Education/Democratic%20schools/
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