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@Alec
@Dr.Franklin
Alec:
So basically there are multiple people on a team, and they create debates via PM or anything that's private.
Dr.Franklin:
I was pretty new to DDO when I saw group debates, I realized that DDO was a monstrosity too late. On the outside, it looks like a good site, but now that I went through, there I had been crushed on what a great site like that had become.
Yeah and 2019 DDO sucked.
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I was a fan of group debates on DDO, and I'm hoping to bring that tradition here...
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Reliability of Article:
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@Polytheist-Witch
Fuck you.
That's probably why they're deleting your posts. Use of profanity is disrespectful and should not be used.
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@keithprosser
He migrated to DDO?
whaaaaatttt????
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@3RU7AL
I'm pretty certain the "main point" is to generate revenue...
Notice:"pretty"
Which means that you are not sure... the main point is to stop obesity, most of pro's main points are about obesity.
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@3RU7AL
Of course its to decrease obesity... one of the main points of the tax is to decrease obesity, I mainly focusing on how that WON'T WORK.
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I'm pretty sure none of us are certified doctors, so you probably should seek medical help, and not rely on the internet.
*cough*Web*cough*MD*cough*
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@dustryder
Ah, yes the nirvana fallacy...
But in this case, the food tax would do more harm than good and create more problems. Sure, the tax is one of the only solutions against obesity, but it creates MUCH MORE PROBLEMS. And it targets those in poverty, one of the biggest problems with this world. Would you rather make those in poverty suffer, or stop those rich people who stuff their faces with junk food?
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I mean it's still strange, considering the thing that creates also destroys.
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I meant that life dies... yes, but the things in life can kill life.
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@TheRealNihilist
You should've gone for the head was also pretty good
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@keithprosser
That's only for one case. In many other cases life kills. For example, humans. In any case a being is mortal, than their life kills
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@dustryder
I created a Junk Food tax group debate, I feel like you would be the best choice for the "Pro" side.
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@dustryder
Poor implementation comes with taxes such as these. Most of the places that experimented with this idea implemented it wrong. The basic idea has multiple "trip-ups" before reaching the ultimate goal. And also what about the true problem? The junk food advertisement. I mentioned that
Health campaigns funded by the government were crushed by the junk food marketing. Frito lay itself spend 146 million dollars a year on marketing.
The government had already tried to make reasonable planning and advertising of healthy foods. It just doesn't work.
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@Vader
Yeah it's so stupid, google doesn't do drawings for those who fought for our country yet those who love their own gender.
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I have multiple, all in very different genres.
Mendelssohn Violin Concerto
Piano Man- Billy Joel
Strength of a Thousand Men- Two Steps from Hell
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@dustryder
I'd also like to point out that I conceded to the debate in the first few sentences.
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@dustryder
@TheRealNihilist
I don't really know about my position now. If something akin to a junk food tax has worked and hasn't impacted society in a detrimental way then I got to change my position.
If you read the above statements you will see that it hasn't worked for anything.
Wikipedia articles are backed up by multiple sources of the type you are describing. If you want to examine the claims made in a Wikipedia argument more in depth, the superscript footnote numbers will link to the relevant articles and studies.
Nevertheless, there are still some "wacko" people who put false information without sources on Wikipedia.
#clubwhenhewasclueless
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The following was the planning for an in-person debate regarding the Junk Food Tax. You may see notes saying like where to say something, because of this very same reason.
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http://discoverer.prod.sirs.com/discoweb/disco/do/article?urn=urn%3Asirs%3AUS%3BARTICLE%3BART%3B0000299371
http://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=9057
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmhttp://discoverer.prod.sirs.com/discoweb/disco/do/article?urn=urn%3Asirs%3AUS%3BARTICLE%3BART%3B0000299371c/articles/PMC3828689/
http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T003&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&searchResultsType=MultiTab&searchType=BasicSearchForm¤tPosition=2&docId=GALE%7CA255968437&docType=Brief+article&sort=RELEVANCE-SORT&contentSegment=&prodId=MSIC&contentSet=GALE%7CA255968437&searchId=R2&userGroupName=elli13047&inPS=true
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/how-many-people-are-poor-united-states
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arleneweintraub/2018/01/10/should-we-tax-junk-foods-to-curb-obesity/#1eeb024d7df6
http://www.howmanyarethere.us/how-many-people-have-diabetes-in-the-us/
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170223006278/en/26-Billion-Potato-Chips-Market-Global-Industry
https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/candy-market
CHOICE January 2017 edition.
https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/frito-lay-names-cmo-100547/
https://www.piedmont.org/living-better/why-is-junk-food-so-addictive
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306919215000561
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/should-we-tax-unhealthy-foods-and-drinks/full
https://www.yelp.com/biz/everything-plastic-philadelphia?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing
http://www.independent.org/news/article.asp?id=9057
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmhttp://discoverer.prod.sirs.com/discoweb/disco/do/article?urn=urn%3Asirs%3AUS%3BARTICLE%3BART%3B0000299371c/articles/PMC3828689/
http://go.galegroup.com/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=T003&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&searchResultsType=MultiTab&searchType=BasicSearchForm¤tPosition=2&docId=GALE%7CA255968437&docType=Brief+article&sort=RELEVANCE-SORT&contentSegment=&prodId=MSIC&contentSet=GALE%7CA255968437&searchId=R2&userGroupName=elli13047&inPS=true
http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/how-many-people-are-poor-united-states
http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arleneweintraub/2018/01/10/should-we-tax-junk-foods-to-curb-obesity/#1eeb024d7df6
http://www.howmanyarethere.us/how-many-people-have-diabetes-in-the-us/
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170223006278/en/26-Billion-Potato-Chips-Market-Global-Industry
https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/candy-market
CHOICE January 2017 edition.
https://www.adweek.com/brand-marketing/frito-lay-names-cmo-100547/
https://www.piedmont.org/living-better/why-is-junk-food-so-addictive
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306919215000561
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/should-we-tax-unhealthy-foods-and-drinks/full
https://www.yelp.com/biz/everything-plastic-philadelphia?adjust_creative=bing&utm_campaign=yelp_feed&utm_medium=feed_v2&utm_source=bing
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A study from Cornell university, found that in Berkeley the cities obesity rates didn’t lower as much as people thought. So if you are thinking about a massive curb in obesity, it won’t happen. It’s bad for economy too. The potato chip industry is worth 26 billion dollars and the candy industry is worth 79 billion dollars, so how much do you think the junk food industry is worth? You are putting a industry worth billions at risk just for a tax that won’t work and people hate. A junk food tax in Hungary was released in 2011, it only lowered the consuming of junk food products by 3.4%, and the raised the consuming of healthy products by 1.1% also thus proving that it won’t curb obesity that much. Also, where are your sources?
The Tax Policy Center also said that penny per ounce soft drinks generate about 10 billion dollars a year. This tax is so bad, we are risking billions of dollars, for a tax that might not even work.
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CONCLUSION
The junk food tax is a horrible idea, that people hate, causes poverty, and is useless. The tax shouldn’t be enforced anywhere in the U.S.
The Tax Policy Center also said that penny per ounce soft drinks generate about 10 billion dollars a year. This tax is so bad, we are risking billions of dollars, for a tax that might not even work.
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CONCLUSION
The junk food tax is a horrible idea, that people hate, causes poverty, and is useless. The tax shouldn’t be enforced anywhere in the U.S.
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Diabetes is the smaller problem compared to the consequential problem of more people growing poorer and poorer everyday, because the food (junk food) that used to be cheap, costs more! 49.1 million people suffer from financial problems, only 25. million people suffer from diabetes. So, conspicuously we should deal with the more substantial problem first. Even though health is more important than money, it costs money to have better health! You don’t want more people to live in poverty do you? If we install a junk food tax more poverty will strike America, and we will regret our decision to enforce a junk food tax.
Junk food doesn’t necessarily cause diabetes. Even the American Diabetes Association says so “Unfortunately, many people think that weight is the only risk factor for type 2 diabetes, but many people with type 2 diabetes are at a normal weight or only moderately overweight.” (type 2 diabetes means there is higher sugar in your blood) (junk food causes you to have more weight). IN ORDER TO SUM UP WHAT WERE SAYING WE’VE CREATED A SCENARIO FOR YOU ALL:
Evangelina has diabetes, and, like many other people suffering from diabetes, she is in severe poverty. She would love to eat good organic greens, but she can not afford to buy them and also support her family. She has tried to et a better job, but she has little education and has to work 3 jobs to afford to feed her 3 children. Putting a tax on the food that she can afford will not make her buy fresh veggies, it will put her family in a headlock, unable to afford what the government so dearly wants her and her children to eat. Now, imagine 10.4 million families like Evangelina’s. We are targeting the wrong thing. Even though it was proposed with good intentions, a junk food tax will only put Evangelina and her three children in a spot where THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO EAT! After 300 years of existence, America still has not figured out how to implement social change without forcing the poor into homelessness, and worse.
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Junk food doesn’t necessarily cause diabetes. Even the American Diabetes Association says so “Unfortunately, many people think that weight is the only risk factor for type 2 diabetes, but many people with type 2 diabetes are at a normal weight or only moderately overweight.” (type 2 diabetes means there is higher sugar in your blood) (junk food causes you to have more weight). IN ORDER TO SUM UP WHAT WERE SAYING WE’VE CREATED A SCENARIO FOR YOU ALL:
Evangelina has diabetes, and, like many other people suffering from diabetes, she is in severe poverty. She would love to eat good organic greens, but she can not afford to buy them and also support her family. She has tried to et a better job, but she has little education and has to work 3 jobs to afford to feed her 3 children. Putting a tax on the food that she can afford will not make her buy fresh veggies, it will put her family in a headlock, unable to afford what the government so dearly wants her and her children to eat. Now, imagine 10.4 million families like Evangelina’s. We are targeting the wrong thing. Even though it was proposed with good intentions, a junk food tax will only put Evangelina and her three children in a spot where THEY CAN’T AFFORD TO EAT! After 300 years of existence, America still has not figured out how to implement social change without forcing the poor into homelessness, and worse.
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The junk food tax is just making the obese poor. They will keep on buying the junk food for a more expensive price. Instead of having a cheaper alternative to healthy food, they’ll have 2 expensive options. Junk food activates the same centers in your brain that cocaine does, so it’s really easy to get addicted. “Food companies will spend millions of dollars to discover the most satisfying level of crunch in potato chips and their scientists will test for the perfect amount of fizzle in a soda,” “Don't get caught in their traps.” says Shayna Komar, a licensed registered dietitian. (only use quotes in rebuttal)
The tax is just hurting the poor and helping the rich. Poor people who are used to buying the cheaper, shelf stable, and convenient unhealthy option will have to pay more, making them even more poor. All the relief programs will be useless. The poor people will just have no choice in food resulting in starvation. The whole point of tax was to get people less sick, but in the end you would just make more people sick! (only say first and second sentences)
Obesity is too intricate and elaborate of a problem for a mere tax to solve, the “junk food tax” is just a way for the government to get more money Just look at the public’s opinion, 59% of the public are opposed to the junk food tax while only 32% like it, the junk food tax will only make people unhappy. (say this in the rebuttal)
The tax is just hurting the poor and helping the rich. Poor people who are used to buying the cheaper, shelf stable, and convenient unhealthy option will have to pay more, making them even more poor. All the relief programs will be useless. The poor people will just have no choice in food resulting in starvation. The whole point of tax was to get people less sick, but in the end you would just make more people sick! (only say first and second sentences)
Obesity is too intricate and elaborate of a problem for a mere tax to solve, the “junk food tax” is just a way for the government to get more money Just look at the public’s opinion, 59% of the public are opposed to the junk food tax while only 32% like it, the junk food tax will only make people unhappy. (say this in the rebuttal)
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Junk food, the unhealthiest food that you could possibly eat. Government officials are starting to blame this food for the cause of obesity in America. They are creating a junk food tax hoping to decrease the amount of obese citizens. But it just won’t work!
Now this tax isn’t new. In 2011, Denmark introduced the world first tax relating to this matter, “The Fat Tax”. Less than 12 months after it was introduced, it was taken away. Danish people were going other countries to buy the cheap, good tasting junk food. If we implement this tax , some junk food driven people would go to other countries to buy it! (describe in less detail)
The tax has not faced the real problem, promotions and advertising. Health campaigns funded by the government were crushed by the junk food marketing. Frito lay itself spend 146 million dollars a year on marketing. The problem of obesity is too complex for just a junk food tax to eliminate it."The bottom line is that the tax isn't going to make anybody healthier, it's not going to make a dent in a problem as complex and serious as obesity, and we're certainly not going to solve the complexities of the health -care system with a tax on soda pop." Kevin W. Keane a worker at the American Beverage Association says. (use quotes in rebuttal, describe in less detail) Also a report from the Tax Policy Center said that nutrition taxes are understudied, so it’s very risky to implement this tax.
Now this tax isn’t new. In 2011, Denmark introduced the world first tax relating to this matter, “The Fat Tax”. Less than 12 months after it was introduced, it was taken away. Danish people were going other countries to buy the cheap, good tasting junk food. If we implement this tax , some junk food driven people would go to other countries to buy it! (describe in less detail)
The tax has not faced the real problem, promotions and advertising. Health campaigns funded by the government were crushed by the junk food marketing. Frito lay itself spend 146 million dollars a year on marketing. The problem of obesity is too complex for just a junk food tax to eliminate it."The bottom line is that the tax isn't going to make anybody healthier, it's not going to make a dent in a problem as complex and serious as obesity, and we're certainly not going to solve the complexities of the health -care system with a tax on soda pop." Kevin W. Keane a worker at the American Beverage Association says. (use quotes in rebuttal, describe in less detail) Also a report from the Tax Policy Center said that nutrition taxes are understudied, so it’s very risky to implement this tax.
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@TheRealNihilist
I completely agree with you. I would like to bring up a new point though. Even though the tax may seems like it works, it probably won't. You see, the problem of obesity and heart disease is too complicated for just a tax to fix.
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@ethang5
"Thank you for your truthful and realistic answer. Can you imagine, in a convo about why not unisex bathrooms in highschool, no one mentions the reality of why there aren't?"
Ok besides several grammatical mistakes, there are a few more holes in your case.
"no one mention the reality of why there aren't?"
Great way of saying
"You're right and I'm just salty that I can't defend that"
We've had no issue with having non unisex bathroom for ages, why should we change? You just provide points of why we can't, not why we should do it. To be honest, not to offend anyone, it's getting pretty crazy in the 21st century where you attack non unisex bathrooms for apparently "segregating" the two sexes. I'm not offended at all that there's A MALE AND A FEMALE RESTROOM! Who the heck cares.
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