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This is a test post. Virt I wish u didnt lock all those x-post wins posts cause then I wouldn't have to make a whole new test post to test posts. This is for reproducing site bugs.
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There's no need to continue the popcorn train. There's very few unclaimed players left such that if they are scum, they can easily craft a fake claim, and if they are town, they can deny scum info by not claiming. Right now we have less than 12 hours left in the DP, it's time to jump on a wagon.
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@Greyparrot
Why would you be dead, they gotta kill the doc first. And they know there's probably not another watcher so they can just do it. If Supa is running a normal doc he won't be able to doc himself.
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@PressF4Respect
Welcome to the dark side. One of these days you're gonna lynch me DP1 and your journey will be complete.
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@PressF4Respect
Why would you add them together? If you lynch, you would EITHER hit scum OR hit town.
Are you fucking serious, that's the whole point, hitting scum or town is mutually exclusive, so you have to add them together. If you VTL, the probablity of hitting scum is 1/4, town is 3/4. If you VTNL, the probability of 8:3 next DP is 1.
1/4 + 3/4 is 1. You're comparing 2 scalars the underlying ratio has to be 1:1.
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@Lunatic
That's actually major sus and I was just going to bring that up.he usually advocates lynching DP1 from what I recall
chances are his ideals on that subject have changed
If we're playing chances then we should lynch him, cause that's how mafia is.
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@PressF4Respect
Also you're ignoring the fact that you as town would know 100% that you yourself is town, which makes the rest of the lynch pool more in your favor. So instead of 1/4 and 3/4 for hitting scum/town, it's 3/11 and 8/11.
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@PressF4Respect
bruh by your own math, you have to add the VTL (hit scum) and VTL (hit town), which would be 1 + 1.75 = 2.75, which is greater than 2.67
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@Lunatic
I just read JARCOM DP1 and his play is totally different! In that game he early pressures and proactively interacts with other players to get reads. This game the most substantive thing he's done is rehash the Water fluff business, which as far as I'm concerned is no longer relevant.Drafter hasn't played a whole lot differently so far than he has in other games
tunnel vision
I was afraid you were going to say that. I'm not TVing, I started this game by calling 3 people scum, and I'm going after 1 of them because he happens to continue to be scummy. In fact I called you scum, then stopped.
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@PressF4Respect
I never really got the "must lynch DP1" mentality that is rampant through the current meta.
Ah yes, that was me once. Then I became the bloodlusty fucker that I am now. That's a bridge every noob must cross to get good at mafia.
DP1 lynches are the most fun too because you have to rely on behavioural analysis. A behaviour-only lynch wagon is also a gold mine for behavioural analysis on future DPs.
"more likely to hit town than scum just based on random chance" except by the very rules of the game, when you're statistically more or equally likely to hit scum, scum would have already won (in a no-trusted role scenario).
Take the reducto absurdium argument: If you're town, and you had the power to kill everybody else DP1, would you do it? The answer is YES, because if you do you win immediately. If you can't kill them all, you'll have to settle for killing 1.
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@Lunatic
Damn, I could never convince people for shit. You'd think after 20+ games on a debates site I'd get better at that.
The only person who's seriously inactive is Irontoaster, everyone else is kind of active. Unfortunately I have already laid down the law, my vote will be on either Single or drafter by the end of today, and as I am a principled man, I won't be joining you in lynching iron.
How do you explain that drafter hasn't given a single read?
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@Speedrace
Everyone in this game is guilty until proven innocent. I would vote to LYNCH every single one of you immediately on DP1 if I could.
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@ILikePie5
drafter is literally trump. I see that profile pic. Vote drafter today.
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@WaterPhoenix
Who's the one who keeps pressuring you over what is probably just a misunderstanding 6 pages after the fact? drafter. Pls vote drafter.
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@Lunatic
The time to popcorn is over. Now is the time for action. Vote drafterman pls.
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Also I did a quick search about south park characters, Garrison seems to be the one most opposed to the main characters.
When drafter flips we can get more thematic analysis going. Is it the main char's enemies? is it adults vs kids? etc.
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I'm for real about this drafterman lynch.
Look at him this whole game. He hasn't given a single town/scum read, except for that weird interaction with Single, which he backed off of immediately after I pressured him. What kinda bullshit is that, drafterman, not giving a read. The only thing useful he did the whole DP is that handy claim list.
Early on he seamed so eager to claim vanilla. Why would you be so eager to claim vanilla? You wanna narrow down the PRs for scum? He claimed vanilla before I even VTL'd him, then after I VTL'd him for character he claims he "doesn't care." That's a contradiction right there. Claiming vanilla early is a scum gambit, because as scum you're more or less likely to claim vanilla anyway, so you do it early to get town cred.
Then he "Vtl water" "...to a claim, but not to Lynch." again that's some BS, cause the "L" in "VTL" stands for lynch, so if you VTL someone and then claim to not want to lynch them that's some BS.
Also stop talking about Water, Water is town.
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Whoever asked me about why I was on the Water wagon, I explained in my vote, it's partially cause of the denial of fluff, but it's also because that's just my style, super aggro early pressure.
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We aint got time for more popcorning, just get on a wagon and move us on to the next day phase. Yall gotta realize how important it is to use every town directed kill, especially the first one cause it'll get us an explosion of information.
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@ILikePie5
I've played with him many times on DDO. I am in favor of policy lynching.
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@David
If you had to kill 3 players right now, who would they be. Don't give reasoning.
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@drafterman
For my reference, this was the order in which Water was brought to L-1:
Greyparrot scum tells Water
Singularity [1/7]
Greyparrot [2/7]
Bullish [3/7]
Lunatic [4/7]
drafterman [5/7]
PressF [6/7]
Other than being overnight, this was done very quickly.
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I don’t get how the president is vanilla anyway. He’s probably scum lawyer or something.
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I don’t understand why 2 people come in and get town reads on drafter.
Come on guys, let’s vote drafter like America voted Trump in 2016.
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I think we have good info to work off of, no need for more claims. Just get input from at least one of the inactives, then we can get a real lynch wagon going.
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@David
As of now, drafter is my top town read.
Since what post exactly, and why?
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Anyone else dislike how we got Water up to L-1, but we’re have triue getting anyone else up to 3?
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@drafterman
I change my mind
Good cause I wasn’t gonna claim anyway.
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@drafterman
I thought you were joking, and I don't know that Single is scum
I have never joked in a game of mafia ever. Mafia is very serious business.
And even if you thought it was a joke, you should still have answered me, because I VTL’d you. Scum would try to ignore early pressure and parry it off to someone else.
Why do you think Single answered for you? You can ask him why in your scum chat.
Im laying it down now, my VTL will be on either drafter or Single by day’s end. You 2 and work it out between yourselves which one of you has the more valuable scum role.
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VTL drafterman
I want you to character claim. Then, tell me why you didn’t respond to me when I called you a liar. Then I want you to explain to me why Single responded to me in your place. Then I want you to explain to me why single is scum instead of yourself.
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Im not satisfied with Water’s response but he’s probably town anyway.
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I’m having an issue with being unable to log in from certain IP addresses, I’m trying to resolve that with the site owner. Until it’s resolved my activity may be spotty.
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Alright, Lunatic is not scum. Drafter and Single I’m not sure about. I’m on board with voting Water (there’s a waterboarding joke there somewhere).
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VTL Waterphoenix
Water, first explain why you would say “no it wasn’t [fluff]” when it was obviously fluff. If I’m not satisfied with your answer, I’m gonna need you to fill claim immediately.
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@Singularity
I read somewhere that so many people think that eye looking thinking is a tell that usually going out of somebody's way to stare you down while stating something, is a reverse tell.
Are you defending drafterman? If so then you have employed a LOGICAL FALACY. Just because staring someone down is a lie tell, does not mean not having the balls to look me in the eye is NOT a lie tell.
From this I have determined that you and drafter are scum together. And the third scum on your team is Lunatic.
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@drafterman
You didn't even have the balls to look me in the eye when you told that lie you fucking liar.
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VTL drafterman
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@drafterman
I want you to look me in the eye and tell me you're town.
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