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No, because the world operates on might makes right, and wars have consequences.

That's why nations have standing armies and borders change after a war to end the war.

The ONLY reason why Hamas is allowed to artificially exist is because Israel refuses to exercise might to end that evil on the Earth. In my opinion, a nation that refuses to eliminate genocidal enemies deserves to have their children beheaded. Go woke, get smoked.

No, I said that the only real way you “own” land is through your ability to defend it from invaders. I don’t see the word “justified” in there. And as I said, terrorism alone is a poor way to conquer land.

Ah, you are a “power structure” person. In that case, I still call BS because you are essentially concluding this: evil + power > evil + terror tactics presumably done out of desperation. If Palestinians had all the power, there would be no Jews.

Hamas runs the prison, actually.

Oh, so you think their virulent antisemitism is largely justifiable.

 Palestinian leaders are loathe to compromise, and they refuse to recognize the Jewish state. It constitutes sort of a non starter in good faith negotiations.

You lie.  I never said I support genocide.  That is your interpretation 

I'm playing devil's advocate

Israeli's, to be clear. But only israel has the ability to actually resolve the situation since they hold all the ground, they keep palestinians in a giant open air prison. 

I would say it was a prison of thir own making for the most part. 

I think Israel will solve this situation soon

Let's talk about slavery.....another lie

they are told they where they are allowed to live.

I mean, they recently took troops and crossed over into Israeli occupied areas, killed lots of soldiers, police etc. That is more than just terrorism. That is war. 

no, if Hamas had power, there would be no jews, maybe. Hamas does not equal "Palestinians". Hamas exists only because Palestinians want to fight back against Israeli occupation. If Israel was actually willing to have peace, then Hamas would almost certainly lose alot of support. 

the israeli barbed fences and machine guns around the outside say otherwise. The Israeli blockade does too. 

I didn't say it was justifiable. Also, this plays into a common argument that is bullshit. You can hate Israel without being anti-semetic. Israel is not a people, it is a nation. It's like saying you hate all Asians because China does something shitty. Pretending all criticism of Israel is Anti-semetic is a common trope people throw around to shut down any question of what they do.

this is true. I have never said that negotiations would be easy. I have never said that Palestinians leaders are always negotiating in good faith. But the Palestinians don't have the Israeli's surrounded. They don't blockade Israel. Israel has most of the power in this scenario. If they don't negotiate in good faith, then peace is impossible. And since they adamantly refuse to give back land their illegal settlements are on, peace is impossible. 

Even if you fix the underlying causes you still have to remove the terrorist organization.

So you have to do a lot of work to westernize these people so you can then step back and empower them to build a great nation or even invite then to be a part of your nation and build a great nation together. 

I think an acceptable strategy is also push these people back to arab states like Egypt or Saudi Arabia.

there is nothing uniquely different about Palestinian people than other Arabs, which has been genetically proven

I don't think the Jews should try to make Palestinians refugees for western nations though, just Arab ones so they can live among their people in peace and prosperity

I can only address what you say. Earlier, you were talking about terrorism as a means to annex territory. Now that you mention open war here— Israel’s ownership of land will depend upon their ability to defend it from invaders, which is what I have been saying.

Hamas is the leadership in question, yes. If they had more might than Israel, there would be no Israel or Israelis.

Israel created and enforces the boundaries, yes. That happens when you wish a nation be eradicated.

Ok, understandable then. Wishing the Jews dead is the definition of antisemitism, so you are going off into the weeds here…

Recognizing Israel’s right to exist would do a lot, as I’m sure you know. What we are seeing is what happens when a group refuses to do this.

that's not going to happen. No country wants millions of refugees. Egypt would rather fight Israel than let Israel deport the Palestinians. The saudi's would also have some harsh words about it.

Then they can take a nuke to the face TBH. The world can become civilized and peaceful voluntarily or by the people who stand in the way getting nuked in the face. 

I dont k ow that expulsion is needed, but if it is, it's none of the business of the country the get expelled to, if they dont like it, they can get a nuke to the face, fuckem. 

and what is Israel's position on a Palestinian state? I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same thing as the Palestinian position on a Jewish state. Let's not pretend like Israel is somehow more tolerant than the Palestinians.

no, i'm not. If you wish all jews dead, that is anti-semitism. If you wish the nation of Israel to cease to exist, that is politics. Israeli's want there to be no difference between Israel and all jewish people because then they can do whatever they want and any criticism is anti-semetic. It is a shield they hide behind. Israel can do shit things, and I can point out those shit things. That does not mean I dislike jewish people. The same way I can criticize China and not dislike chinese people.

ok. and Israel refuses to acknowledge the Palestinians have a right to a state. It is the same thing. both sides refuse to acknowledge the other's right to exist. I agree that acknowledging that is important, but even if the Palestinians did agree to that, it wouldn't really help them or change anything. Israel has no intention of allowing the Palestinians to have a state of their own.

You know the people you're rooting for hate you, right? Most Jews don't actively hate gentiles who aren't anti-semites, but the same Muslims who participate in or celebrate the killing of Jews would love to cut open your infidel neck too.

You have offered nothing to negate the concept I offered, which is that one’s ownership of territory depends upon one’s ability to defend it against invaders. Time to move on from that one…

You believe that if the balance of power were reversed, the behaviors would simply be reversed between the Israelis and Palestinians. I disagree. I think if Palestinians had a large military and nukes and the Israelis had only small rockets and such, the situation would be quite different. As this is all hypothetical, we can just call that one an “agree to disagree.”

Yes, you are in the weeds because I was clearly talking about Hamas’ antisemitism, and you are making it about you.

Not exactly. As I said, this is easy enough to look up, but you clearly have your heels dug in on the issue.

the same Muslims who participate in or celebrate the killing of Jews would love to cut open your infidel neck too. 

I think a reversed situation would be pretty much the same. If the existence of their country were balancing on western support, they wouldn't dare wipe out the Israeli's. The same way Israel has been doing for decades. they'd love to wipe out or just expel the palestinians, but they can't. 

I'm not making it about me. I'm pointing out a ridiculous argument made pretty much constantly about Israel.

look up what exactly? Has israel announced they support a 2 state solution that I am unaware of?

Ah, sneaky of you to insert a Palestine operating under western support in your hypothetical. You think Israel’s alliance with western nations and predisposition toward western values is just some cosmic coincidence rather than a conscious choice?

I was saying that Hamas is antisemitic. This is not a controversial claim. You went off the fairway ever since you admitted their antisemitism is understandable.

Rather than merely speculating on it, look it up is what I’m saying. Do I need to give you the exact search terms now?

Actually, I was referencing the OP. I'm guessing you have some principled reason for supporting Palestine whereas Triangle just hates Jews.

But if the solution you are looking for is mass murder, the easiest solution would be destroying Israel

They treat their enemies just as cruelly as Egypt or the Saudis. 

you'll find the whole world against you very fast if you go full nazi and try to kill or expel all the Palestinians. 

oh fair enough. I have no idea what that guy's going on about. I wouldn't say I support either side. They both do terrible things. 

Even now, they have supposedly "western values" but they keep millions of people in an open air prison and blockade them. That isn't a western value that I am aware of.

I never said their anti-semitism is understandable. I said their hatred of Israel is. And I would agree that hamas as an organization is anti-semetic. But many of their supporters probably aren't. 

you barely even really hinted at what you are talking about. I can't possibly search if I have no idea what you are talking about.

I, too, question the wisdom of giving Jews a homeland right next to a people who wish them dead