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This forum is simply over reacting to "cunt." There is no reason to get so annoyed at moderation here for seeing no wrong in the post.
They did see wrong in the post. You aren't paying attention. It's kept here not because it was fine but as "evidence" because bsh1 now imagines him as being in an episode of CSI or some shit.

If the post said. "Your a fucking cunt face shit mcgee," then you can say it's bannable, but one word alone will never be enough to ban someone beside words like the n-word or a homophobic term
I'm not talking about banning anyone. Again, you're not paying attention.

It was a personal attack against a user with no other content whatsoever. It is a violation of the CoC with no mitigating factors. Unequivocally. It should be deleted.

This is a separate issue from banning anyone.
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No one will ever be happy with a bunch of hard headed people on one site
Well, it seems to be moderation that is blamed for people not being happy.

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Want me to give case study examples or actually you don't get what I mean?
I didn't get what you meant by "they are both".

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I can prove that this blame is accurately aimed if you'd like.
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Why does the fact that "someone will complain" come up in these discussions?
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They are not just either, they are both. They have been both to the same user at times as the other party/ies fluctuate/s in relative popularity.
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The only official policy is the written CoC, which says your job is to enforce the rules.
Previous referenda have indicated that policy is not simply the COC, but any rule or mechanism by which moderators operate in their capacity as moderators. Given this precedent, moderation "policy" will continue to refer to more than just the COC, unless the site decides to allow mods to exempt these other issues.

To be clear, however, deleting threads and posts is not "policy" in the way you are defining it, since nowhere in the COC does it require deletion of content which violates the COC.
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They did see wrong in the post. You aren't paying attention. It's kept here not because it was fine but as "evidence" because bsh1 now imagines him as being in an episode of CSI or some shit.
??? Can you elaborate this part???
I'm not talking about banning anyone. Again, you're not paying attention.
By this post, I can assume you are angry that the fact no mod action was taken
It was a personal attack against a user with no other content whatsoever. It is a violate of the CoC with no mitigating factors. Unequivocally. It should be deleted.
A personal attack is saying something more in depth like, "Your a fucking fat whale shithead." That is more of a direct attack than calling someone a cunt because it is A) One word, B) vaguely describing someone. If I called someone an asshole or just said "Bitch.", it is not a direct threat
This is a separate issue from banning anyone.
Then what are you suggesting? what other mod action are you wanting to take for this

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@drafterman
It kinda seems like your complaint is that we listen to complaints. Help me out here, man. If I listen to that complaint will the paradox unmake the universe?
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??? Can you elaborate this part???
Dude. Actually read the thread. The argument isn't that the post is fine, it's that it's being kept as "evidence."

A personal attack is saying something more in depth like, "Your a fucking fat whale shithead." That is more of a direct attack than calling someone a cunt because it is A) One word, B) vaguely describing someone. If I called someone an asshole or just said "Bitch.", it is not a direct threat
There is no minimum word requirement here.

Then what are you suggesting? what other mod action are you wanting to take for this
DELETE THE POST
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]Well, it seems to be moderation that is blamed for people not being happy. 
Humans will blame other people for something that is their fault when it is their fault in the first place

Historic examples are the Jews to the Germans, 1800s blacks to the Americans, and in Chicago, Irish to the rest of the population

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It's kept here not because it was fine but as "evidence" because bsh1 now imagines him as being in an episode of CSI or some shit.
I don't believe I ever said that. I don't delete posts because I am not in the business of censoring people, because it has been indicated to me that that was not what the community desired, and because the poster was punished--there doesn't seem to be much to gain from deleting the post. It's not causing anymore harm just sitting there than it did when Castin read it, unlike a post which doxxes or includes a link to a pornographic website, for example. Though, preserving evidence is certainly an advantage, unless and until moderation has the power to shadow delete a post.

But, again, because this issue has been raised, it will be MEEP'd.

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I don't believe I ever said that. I don't delete posts because I am not in the business of censoring people, because it has been indicated to me that that was not what the community desired, and because the poster was punished--there doesn't seem to be much to gain from deleting the post. It's not causing anymore harm just sitting there than it did when Castin read it, unlike a post which doxxes or includes a link to a pornographic website, for example.
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Humans will blame other people for something that is their fault when it is their fault in the first place

Historic examples are the Jews to the Germans, 1800s blacks to the Americans, and in Chicago, Irish to the rest of the population


... the actual irony of what you just posted is disgusting, not even funny. Either I'm not reading it right or you're a morally devoid believer in that the powerful are blameless.
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To a mild degree, he has a point. When someone big wants a leniency in modding, the community slowly trends to favor the leaning or whatever side the popular is on
Sure. Humans are social animals.

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I don't believe I ever said that. I don't delete posts because I am not in the business of censoring people,
Moderation literally is that business. If you don't want the job, step down.

because it has been indicated to me that that was not what the community desired,
So? Your job isn't people pleaser, it's moderation.

and because the poster was punished--there doesn't seem to be much to gain from deleting the post.
How about enforcing the fucking rules? If I go graftti a building, I get punished AND the grafitti gets removed.

It's not causing anymore harm just sitting there than it did when Castin read it, unlike a post which doxxes or includes a link to a pornographic website, for example.
Its status as violating the rules remains unchanged. If such posts are harmless, then they shouldn't be against the CoC.

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??? Can you elaborate this part???
Dude. Actually read the thread. The argument isn't that the post is fine, it's that it's being kept as "evidence."
I am sorry but what the fuck. In the 1st page you literally said nothing. I could not find anything anywhere expect now that says "EVIDENCE"

A personal attack is saying something more in depth like, "Your a fucking fat whale shithead." That is more of a direct attack than calling someone a cunt because it is A) One word, B) vaguely describing someone. If I called someone an asshole or just said "Bitch.", it is not a direct threat
There is no minimum word requirement here.
Calling someone a "cunt" versus calling someone a "fuckface dumbass fat retard" has a difference 

Then what are you suggesting? what other mod action are you wanting to take for this
DELETE THE POST
LINK ME TO THE POST WHERE YOU SAID THAT BC U DID NOT SAY THAT NOR APPLY IT EITHER(caps for more attention


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Ah, I see you switched into irreverent humor mode. Let me know when you actually want to discuss the issue some more.
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Yep, it was me who said "deleting posts is destroying evidence". I should rightly get all blame and CSI accusations.
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I am sorry but what the fuck. In the 1st page you literally said nothing. I could not find anything anywhere expect now that says "EVIDENCE"
Then read the thread. Not just the first post. Not just the first page. Actually READ. THE. THREAD. You can't just read the last five posts and jump in without context.

Calling someone a "cunt" versus calling someone a "fuckface dumbass fat retard" has a difference 
Yes. They are different. But they are still both directed attacks.

LINK ME TO THE POST WHERE YOU SAID THAT BC U DID NOT SAY THAT NOR APPLY IT EITHER(caps for more attention
READ. THE. THREAD. If you can't be bothered, neither can I.

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Your not reading it right. I'm using examples of spacegoats in history. People will find someone else to blame for their problems

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Also idc u blocked me...but it's annoying af when u @ me after u block me when i can't @ back
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@bsh1
So I should rule by fiat and eliminate any deliberative-style process, like MEEP or even a majority-vote discussion? Good to know.
You should enforce the CoC. Period. if you don't want to do that because it upsets people. Step down.

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Your right. We do the trendy stuff because we want to be social with people and relate, causing friendships
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How were the blacks scapegoats to the whites or the Irish scapegoats to Chicago?
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Your job isn't people pleaser, it's moderation.
So I should rule by fiat and eliminate any deliberative-style process, like MEEP or even a majority-vote discussion? Good to know.

Its status as violating the rules remains unchanged. If such posts are harmless, then they shouldn't be against the CoC.
Seems like you missed the point again. I'll repeat: "It's not causing any more harm just sitting there than it did when Castin read it, unlike a post which doxxes or includes a link to a pornographic website, for example." There is certainly an initial harm in the post being created; there does not seem to be an ongoing harm in leaving the post up.
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You should enforce the CoC. Period. if you don't want to do that because it upsets people. Step down.
You are calling here then for the elimination of MEEPs. Correct or not?
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Yes. They are different. But they are still both directed attacks.
Oh cmon my guy. If some random dude over the internet called you a cunt would you REALLY want the post deleted versus someone saying that to you head on

It could be me being thick skinned on the internet because idrc about it, but I think people would brush off someone calling them a cunt
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Let me repeat:

The only official policy is the written CoC, which says your job is to enforce the rules.
Previous referenda have indicated that policy is not simply the COC, but any rule or mechanism by which moderators operate in their capacity as moderators. Given this precedent, moderation "policy" will continue to refer to more than just the COC, unless the site decides to allow mods to exempt these other issues.

To be clear, however, deleting threads and posts is not "policy" in the way you are defining it, since nowhere in the COC does it require deletion of content which violates the COC. 

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So I should rule by fiat and eliminate any deliberative-style process, like MEEP or even a majority-vote discussion? Good to know.
You should enforce the CoC (which was established by fiat). Period. if you don't want to do that because it upsets people. Step down.

Seems like you missed the point again. I'll repeat: "It's not causing any more harm just sitting there than it did when Castin read it, unlike a post which doxxes or includes a link to a pornographic website, for example." There is certainly an initial harm in the post being created; there does not seem to be an ongoing harm in leaving the post up.
And why does that matter?
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@Drafter

You are calling here then for the elimination of MEEPs. Correct or not?