What is the best way of destroying the USA? That would be electing Trump President. What country do you think is behind this?
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@FLRW
What country do you think is behind this?
Trump basically promised to help Russia and North Korea, but more than anything he will help Russia.
That goes in favor of Russia, North Korea, and China, because they are allies. Thats why those countries want him to be president of USA.
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@Best.Korea
I am okay with NK destroying America and making it into a better place.
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@Greyparrot
See this is the problem when the bar is set that low. Democrats should have demanded more than just being able to beat Trump, which just about any competent Democrat could have easily done in 2020. But the Democrats chose the one that could barely get it done over one that could have done oh so much more if the people demanded it. What happened in Hawaii where Biden sent Billions of dollars overseas but only a one time check of 700 dollars to Americans in Maui...Democrats could have done much better than that and they should have demanded someone who could do more than simply "beat Trump"Who is at fault for these low standards?
It’s the fault of the people who stood behind the greatest embarrassment the nation has ever seen. I would have loved for the 2020 election to have been focused on whether more could have been done to prevent deaths from COVID and how best to get vaccines distributed, instead we focused on whether it was all just a plot to hurt Donald J Trump or whether COVID was even real at all. I would have loved to have been debating which measures were best when it came to balancing safety vs security with regards to election integrity, instead we focused on whether any measures to ensure voter safety were really just a plot by the evil democrats to steal the election.
The distance between Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, Elizabeth Warren, etc… is not comparable in the slightest to the distance been any viable democratic candidate and Trump. They’re two entirely different universes, so if there is clear data showing that anyone in the left is a safer bet to beat Trump (which there absolutely was) it would be stupid to go with another candidate.
As it turns out, I believe the choice was absolutely the right one. The election was far closer than it should have been, and amazingly even most people on the left including myself agree that of not for COVID Trump would have gotten a second term. So yeah, it was that serious.
But setting all that aside, you seem to be suggesting that there was a much better choice than Biden. Well sure, I would have taken Bernie easily or even Warren over Biden, but they would have gotten the same treatment Biden is getting now. You act as of the reason the political right hates Biden so much has anything to do with reality, it doesn’t. They just make shit up and their voters don’t care. I was watching a Hannity interview yesterday and the congressman being interviewed actually used the “cocaine in the White House” incident as part of the justification to proceed with the impeachment inquiry. That’s just a sample of the bullshit being peddled daily over in MAGAville. They would have done this to anyone.
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@Greyparrot
It's no secret here that I hate Trump
BTW, I would be remiss to not comment on this. You’re all over this site disparaging others of having TDS. For someone who hates Trump you sure have a problem with others who hate Trump, not to mention a propensity for being aligned with those who fully support him.
So why pretend?
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@Greyparrot
Well, judging by the polls, Trump has 50% chance to win.
Of course, another 4 years of Trump wont be anything special. At best, he might end the war in Ukraine by letting Russia have current territories.
But yes, I can see Russia and North Korea are working to help Trump.
During last time, North Korea stopped almost all missile testing in 2020 and 2021 just to make Trump look good as if he achieved that, then North Korea went on and tripled missile testings during Biden to make Biden look bad as if he is responsible for it.
And now Biden looks worse due to Russia-China-North Korea alliance, alliance which didnt exist before.
So, on one hand, Trump wants to be cool with US enemies. On the other hand, US enemies want Trump to be president of USA.
I dont think Trump will destroy USA if he becomes president, but he will damage US economy.
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@Double_R
But setting all that aside, you seem to be suggesting that there was a much better choice than Biden. Well sure, I would have taken Bernie easily or even Warren over Biden, but they would have gotten the same treatment Biden is getting now.
Not from the left. Biden has ridiculously low support among the left compared to just about any other serious Democrat candidate. It's more likely the 2020 election was dangerously close because Biden barely was able to clear that bar when anyone else could have done it much easier with far more support. Why settle for such a low bar and an unpopular candidate? Who is at fault for restricting your choice to Biden?
When the pre-packaged narrative is that beating Trump is the major concern above any other problem, then absolutely no other problems get addressed, which is exactly what happened over the last 3 years. No other problem got fixed because of the TDS fixation narrative. No medicare for all, no minimum wage, no relief for disaster victims, no codifying abortion, no fixing immigration, fixing crime, etc... the things Democrats in New York are presently furious about.
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@Double_R
So why pretend?
Because by declining to publicly support anyone or anything he can avoid having to defend any position. This helps him to hide his overwhelming ignorance of facts and issues.
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@Greyparrot
Not from the left. Biden has ridiculously low support among the left compared to just about any other serious Democrat candidate.
His lack of support is based mostly on his age and the concerns that his age will make him a poor candidate to defeat Trump this time around.
He is also getting a lot of flack because he hasn’t been progressive enough in many areas, like on border policy where many of Trump’s policies have remained in place. One could easily argue that the left should have a better representative than that, but that critique is pretty absurd if it’s coming from someone on the right.
So again, if you’re asking me whether the left should have went with someone “better” I think it’s a flawed question and I honestly don’t care at this point. When we can get to a point where we are debating policy as opposed to reality, then I’ll worry about that. Right now I just want the candidate who ensures we stay in reality.
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@Double_R
Right now I just want the candidate who ensures we stay in reality.
Which you could have had instead of Biden. New York Democrats are furious with the present shadow of a real president.
The repeated narratives driven by elite Democrats seem certain to produce more of the same for 2024. Even if Biden doesn't end up on the ballot for whatever reason, I fully expect no upgrade to a candidate that actually solves real world problems for real Democrats because there's no narrative on any outlet giving voice to anything other than "anti-Trump"...
That will make 12 straight years of Democrat voter concerns being kicked down the road. And for what reason???
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@Greyparrot
Which you could have had instead of Biden
No, it’s not clear that we can, that’s the point. Do you have another democrat that matches up head to head with Trump as well as Biden? Especially taking into account historical trends which favor the incumbent president?
Convince me that there Is a better option to ensure Trump loses and you may yet change my mind. Absent that, any policy or even competence concerns I have with Biden pale in comparison to the prospect of another Trump term which our democracy may not survive.
New York Democrats are furious with the present shadow of a real president.
Really? Who?
The only people out there pretending senile Biden is being controlled by his puppet masters get their information from Fox News, OANN or Newmax. They’re not voting democrat.
Even if Biden doesn't end up on the ballot for whatever reason, I fully expect no upgrade to a candidate that actually solves real world problems for real Democrats because there's no narrative on any outlet giving voice to anything other than "anti-Trump"...That will make 12 straight years of Democrat voter concerns being kicked down the road. And for what reason???
Because our government is a reflection of our country, which is deeply divided. No one party gets to pass legislation on their own, they have to compromise but the days where politicians are rewarded for solving problems appear to be gone. This isn’t a democratic problem, it’s a national problem and it stems from the fact that we live in two separate realities. Getting rid of Trump won’t solve that, but it will make a tremendous difference because he is the catalyst for the bulk of it.
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@Double_R
Getting rid of Trump won’t solve that..
No, it won't, and my biggest fear is the person that replaces Trump, who will have the capacity to be far more dangerous and calculating.
No, it won't, and my biggest fear is the person that replaces Trump, who will have the capacity to be far more dangerous and calculating.
The biggest concern isn’t Trump, it’s Trump supporters. It’s a breakdown in responsible citizenship. People see a guy lying constantly, abusing power, rotating people through the Cabinet like it’s a minimum wage job, impeached twice, a tax cut for millionaires and billionaires, asking the FBI and Justice Department for “loyalty”, using fear and demagoguery, putting himself over the country during Covid, a subversive who undermines NATO and all our Democratic institutions including attacking judges, using bigotry to appeal to people’s worst instincts, telling a Big Lie to try and stay in power, and inciting an insurrection and these idiots say, yes give me more of that.
If Trump gets elected again, this very incompetent and authoritarian minded boob will surround himself with incompetent yes men.
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@Greyparrot
No, it won't, and my biggest fear is the person that replaces Trump, who will have the capacity to be far more dangerous and calculating.
Anyone can replace Trump as the republican standard bearer, no one is going to be able to replicate his cult following which is what allows him to not only get away with telling the most outrageous and frankly stupidest of lies, but have his supporters follow them into intellectual abyss.
Politics is an extremely tough game, Trump was able to bypass all of it because of his fame and notoriety which despite him being a complete buffoon and ignoramus was able to be sold to the public as a successful genius billionaire. It was a perfect storm I don’t see coming again.