Property is theft

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@Double_R
You cannot build a coherent concept off of a contradiction.

Depends upon how one compartmentalises and/or rearranges data. 

Zebras are black with white stripes and white with black stripes. 

Therefore Zebras can be identified as black and white striped ungulates.


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"Wow. This has to be one of the most ignroant threads I w ever seen here. "   Not the most ignorant I've seen but up there
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@sadolite
Well, Communism will win you know

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@Best.Korea
Winning is bourgie. You need to read more Marx. 
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@Reece101
Can you show us the example of capitalism winning anywhere?
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@Best.Korea
In commerce?

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@NoOneInParticular
I do think there are function and heartstrings found in Best.Korea's suggested view,
But I also think there are function and heartstrings in property.
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@Reece101
Not really. USA and China have highest GDP and they both have lots of socialist policies. They also have strongest militaries. Is there some country without socialist policies that you can show us that is doing well? Or is country without socialist policies impossible? Just where is that capitalism that was supposed to work well, but for some reason no strong country is capitalist? Awkward.
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@Best.Korea
Now pretend I typed the exact same thing but switched the places of socialism and capitalism. 
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@Reece101
You could, but it wouldnt make any sense since I asked about capitalism and neither USA nor China are capitalist countries nor have capitalist economy. High taxes are not capitalism. Free healthcare is not capitalism. Minimum wage law is not capitalism. Social security is not capitalism. Social welfare is not capitalism. Government mass interference and regulation of buisness is not capitalism.

Could you show us some example of actual capitalist country or am I asking too much?
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@Best.Korea
I'd rather have greedy, self-interested entrepreneurs controlling the means of production than greedy, inept politicians. 
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Winning implies unfair advantages and special treatment. Hardly a tenet of communism. There is no winning in communism, its an oxymoron. Someone has to lose.
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@sadolite
Someone has to lose
Well, the capitalism loses. It already lost, to be precise.

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@Best.Korea
Of course people win and lose in capitalism. Its called risk of investment.
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@sadolite
I am not sure what are you talking about, since capitalism doesnt exist. We live in government regulated economy.
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@Best.Korea
Yes, capitalism doesn't exist, my bad.
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@Best.Korea

Yes, for one thing, there is no such thing as capitalism. Capitalism is not defined by markets, they have existed for thousands of years. And the way capital is formed in so-called capitalist countries varies so widely that the term is all but meaningless. Consider, for example, how different stock and bond markets are in different capitalist countries. Or the fact that the fastest growing free market country of the last 30 years, China, is nominally communist.
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@Best.Korea
The suggestion that property is theft is a contradiction, since theft necessarily implies "property."
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@Athias
"since theft necessarily implies "property." Cant argue against that, you cant steal what no one owns.
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Thank God we stole the property from the Wampanoags.

43 days later

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@Best.Korea
Do you differentiate between Private Property, and Personal Property,
When you say Property is theft?

If so, why and how?


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@Lemming
I dont differentiate. I meant all property.
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@Best.Korea
"If your son was out in the street homeless, would you invite him in your house? Of course you would." - Best.Korea #1

What if one's son destroys parts of the house, insults their father, creates disturbances, steals?
Perhaps the son would no longer be welcome in the house,
Until they are willing to change.
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@Lemming
Well, stealing and destroying property does sound bad.
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“What's Yours is Mine and What's Mine is Mine”
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@Best.Korea
Capitalism is in communism the communist republic owns the Capital.
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@John_C_87
Capitalism is in communism the communist republic owns the Capital.
Well stated. That's the reason that not only Socialism/Communism has no real goal but to transfer proprietary rights from the individual to a nebulous group regulatory mechanism, which necessarily reduces freedom.
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@Athias
In a nutshell.