Democrat Voters Think Donald Trump Arrest Is 'Election Interference'

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Greyparrot is indirectly part of a Korean messianic conspiracy?
  • I  just said I don't know why he does it. 
Argumentum ad hominem. You should know better.
  • You still have not learned that argumentum ad hominem must be irrelevant to argument to count as fallacy?  Greyparrot's long history of dodging debate while whispering false words of fear and hatred into the ears of the young and gullible is 100% relevant to the injury his post  here and ten thousand others  like it do to a nation founded on liberty and equality.  Greyparrot openly despises both.  Gandalf the White taught me young how to handle whisperers like Greyparrot: "The wise speak only of what they know, Gríma son of Gálmód. A witless worm have you become. Therefore be silent, and keep your forked tongue behind your teeth. I have not passed through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man till the lightning falls"
Please list and substantiate these "treasons."

  • TREASON is "the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance."  By the general definition, Trump's treasons are too numerous to list or disute.  Once you are president, even the little shit like claiming that his "authority is total" or claiming that Mexican born judges can't be impartial or misreporting the path of hurricane to cover up a minor verbal error is totally treason.  He swore a sacred oath to uphold the authority of the people as total, to uphold the justice system, to uphold the people's emergency preparedness but he easily, corruptly, dangerously, undermined the system ltterally thousands times and usually for the basest of motives: greed, pride, envy.  Nobody denies these treasons, least of all Trump who would happily take a piss in Lady Liberty's mouth for a dollar while crying Free Speech.
  • In America, the constitutional defintion of treason is far more limited.
    • Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
      • From the moment Purin invaded Europe in 2014, violating the number one promise Russia made to the world in 1991 in exchange for  peace and Ukraine's larger nuclear arsenal and essentially signaling that nukes were back on the table worldwide, the American Military, American Intelligence, the US Congress, the United Nations, and NATO have all agreed that Russia is the number one threat to America's peace and prosperity and indeed the single greatest threat to humanity's continuation.
      • Trump has adhered to that great enemy Putin longer and more amourously than any of his many wives and whores.  Long before he ran for President, Trump sought out Putin's company and approval for a wide range of business deals, public entertainments, and complex financial arrangements at a time when no honest businessman would deal with Putin..  Nobody denies theses aids and comforts, least of all Trump.  
        • Trump's alliance wth Putin was so well understood  by 2016 that when Trump's closest ally in Congress, Kevin McCarthy was secretly recorded telling the Speaker of the House that Trump was paid to run by Putin, few Republicans were shocked and even fewer cried "treason" although the treason was plain and attested to behind doors by expert witnesses like McCarthy and McCain.  Let's remember that it was that Last Good Republican, John McCain, who gave the Steele Dossier to the FBI, convinced that Trump was Putin's dog.  Seven years later, some important elements of that Dossier have been substantiated, including the Russian hacking of the DNC and Trump's foreknowledge of that hacking, Cohen's and Manafort's roles as Russian in-betweens, and literally hundreds of secrets meetings between many of Trump and Putin's closest functionaries.  At no time has Trump ever offered a plausible or consistent explanation for these hundreds of meetings  with the enemy and every participant has lied about the meetings until presented with the evidence under oath.
        • On the third day of Trump's presidency, the acting Attorney General had an emergency meeting  with Trump to warn him that America's top spy, the National Security Advisor, was in fact a covert Russian agent.  Trump fired her on the spot for telling him the truth and lied about his reasons for weeks but eventually Flynn confessed that he was taking at least hundreds of thousands dollars from Puitin and secretly meeting with Putin's men and lying and concealing these facts from the FBI.  Trump later admitted that he knew  that Flynn was getting paid by Putin for at least weeks before making America's top spy.
          • For me, this is the end of Trump's plausible deniability.  I have no doubt that if George Washington were to have witnessed these treasons within the Presidency, he would have hanged both Trump and Flynn on the spot and would have happily gone to prison for violating their rights to a free trial.  Any Republican that stayed with Trump after he admittedthat he knowingly place a Russian spy at the heart of American Intelligence ( and then pardoned the bastard) does not deserve to be calle a Conservative or a Republican or a loyal American.  Sorry, that just plain facts.
        • The Mueller Report failed to discover the content or the nature of Trump's secret relationship with Putin but he established beyond any doubt that such a secret relationship existed and that Trump was willing to break any law to cover up the content and the nature of that secret relationship.  Every one of the eleven Obstruction of Justice charges levelled by Mueller carries its own mandatory twenty year sentence and while Trump denies his own invented standard of collusion, he does not deny his participation in most of these thouroughly documented treasons.
          • In spite of Trump's testimony, Trump knew that Russian Intelligence hacked the DNC and demonstrated his knowledge of the contents when only Russian Intelligence and Assange should have had that information.
          • In spite of Trump's testimony, Trump knew Flynn was a Russian agent and was using Flynn to promise Putin that he would shut down Russian sanctions as quickly as possible.
          • Flynn's attorney's recorded Trump's lawyers promising Flynn a pardon if he stayed quiet and promising destruction if Flynn talked.  What Trump's secret Russian spy might have talked about remains a mystery since FLynn was pardoned and is now running for office in Sarasota, FL>
          • When Trump found out that the FBI was investigating his Russian connections, Trump laid down a full court press on Sessions and Comey demanding that they quash the investigation and publicly attest that no such investigation ever existed.  When Comey refused that illegal order to lie to the  American public, Trump fired him. 
            • (The next day, Trump invited Russia's top spy into the Oval Office and had a secret meeting with hiim.  To this day, no American has been permitted to know what Trump talked about in that meeting although we do know that he divulged Israeli intelligence about Russian spies and has never explained why he committed that bold act of treason.)
          • Trump unconstituinally demanded on at least five occaisions that Session fire Mueller and take over the Russian investigation  using Don McGahn and Corey Lewandowski as messsengers.  Trump eventually fired all three for refusing to break the law.
          • Trump ordered White House employees, including Hope Hicks, to lie under oath about the Russian meeting in Trump Tower.
          • Trump promised Michael Cohen a presidential pardon if he didn't reveal what he knew about meetings with Russian.  Although Cohen never did reveal those secrets, when he admitted to paying many women to keep quiet about their conduct with the President, the POTUS threatened Cohen's family.
(out of time,  I'll add more when I can. 

Certainly,

Trump's extortionary demand that Ukraine make up evidence against Hunter Biden
Trump's assault on the National Health  system during COVID,
Trump's manufacture of fake evidence of election fraud
Trump's attempted Coup on Jan 6th
Trump's refusal to protect the Vice President or Congress from violence
Trump's theft of Top Secret Nuclear Intelligence

are all sepearate attacks on the American people's integrity, liberty and right to self-government.







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@oromagi
I  just said I don't know why he does it. 
You stated that you don't know the reason he does the work of a Korean Messianic Conspiracy. So I am asking: are you under the impression that Greyparrot is indirectly part of said conspiracy?

You still have not learned that argumentum ad hominem must be irrelevant to argument to count as fallacy? 
Are you under the misconception that I've never understood that which constitutes an ad hominem fallacy?

Greyparrot's long history of dodging debate
Irrelevant.

while whispering false words of fear and hatred into the ears of the young and gullible is 100% relevant to the injury his post  here and ten thousand others  like it do to a nation founded on liberty and equality. 
Then do your due diligence in establishing this alleged falsehood, or hold Greyparrot responsible for his alleged falsehoods by rigorously scrutinizing his claims you allege are false. Characterizing him as a "worm tongue," "soulless puppet," and "asshole" substantiates no relevance to the subject at hand, and does no more or less than express your personal feelings. Even if I were to give you the benefit of the doubt, and buy that your characterizations have relevance, then the only relevance they serve is an attempt to expose Greyparrot's motivations for allegedly spreading lies. Of course, this is ultimately defeated by the fact that, YOU'RE NOT A MIND READER, OROMAGI. And the allusion to Gandalf the White doesn't help toward that effect.

TREASON is "the crime of attacking a state authority to which one owes allegiance."  By the general definition, Trump's treasons are too numerous to list or disute.  Once you are president, even the little shit like claiming that his "authority is total" or claiming that Mexican born judges can't be impartial or misreporting the path of hurricane to cover up a minor verbal error is totally treason.  He swore a sacred oath to uphold the authority of the people as total, to uphold the justice system, to uphold the people's emergency preparedness but he easily, corruptly, dangerously, undermined the system ltterally thousands times and usually for the basest of motives: greed, pride, envy.  Nobody denies these treasons, least of all Trump who would happily take a piss in Lady Liberty's mouth for a dollar while crying Free Speech.

  • In America, the constitutional defintion of treason is far more limited.
    • Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

    The full constitutional definition of Treason is as follows:

    Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
    Is there a reason this one does not suffice?

    Trump has adhered to that great enemy Putin longer and more amourously than any of his many wives and whores.
    You're not a mind reader, oromagi.

    Long before he ran for President, Trump sought out Putin's company and approval for a wide range of business deals, public entertainments, and complex financial arrangements at a time when no honest businessman would deal with Putin.
    Were his business transactions with Putin deemed illegal at the time? Why, in your estimation, was he not charged for Treason then?

    Trump's alliance wth Putin was so well understood  by 2016
    Understood by whom?

    Kevin McCarthy was secretly recorded telling the Speaker of the House that Trump was paid to run by Putin, few Republicans were shocked and even fewer cried "treason" although the treason was plain and attested to behind doors by expert witnesses like McCarthy and McCain.  Let's remember that it was that Last Good Republican, John McCain, who gave the Steele Dossier to the FBI, convinced that Trump was Putin's dog.  Seven years later, some important elements of that Dossier have been substantiated, including the Russian hacking of the DNC and Trump's foreknowledge of that hacking, Cohen's and Manafort's roles as Russian in-betweens, and literally hundreds of secrets meetings between many of Trump and Putin's closest functionaries.  At no time has Trump ever offered a plausible or consistent explanation for these hundreds of meetings  with the enemy and every participant has lied about the meetings until presented with the evidence under oath.
    And there's no "conflict of interest" that these Dossiers and Reports were financed by political opposition? I don't dispute that Trump's campaign received foreign investment given that executive policy has global ramifications. As far as that which you claim has been substantiated, and Trump's lack of plausible deniability I presume is all smoke and mirrors.

  • On the third day of Trump's presidency, the acting Attorney General had an emergency meeting  with Trump to warn him that America's top spy, the National Security Advisor, was in fact a covert Russian agent.  Trump fired her on the spot for telling him the truth and lied about his reasons for weeks but eventually Flynn confessed that he was taking at least hundreds of thousands dollars from Puitin and secretly meeting with Putin's men and lying and concealing these facts from the FBI. 
  • Was he, Flynn, that is a "covert Russian agent" or was it argued that his lies (discussing Sanctions) made him susceptible to Russian influence, which has always been, and is conjectural?

     Trump later admitted that he knew  that Flynn was getting paid by Putin for at least weeks before making America's top spy.
    For speaking engagements, correct?

    Trump after he admittedthat he knowingly place a Russian spy at the heart of American Intelligence
    That is not what he stated.

    Sorry, that just plain facts.
    No, that is your impression.

    The Mueller Report failed to discover the content or the nature of Trump's secret relationship with Putin
    Enough said, correct?

    But he established beyond any doubt that such a secret relationship existed
    The content and nature of which has yet to be delineated or substantiated.

    and that Trump was willing to break any law to cover up the content and the nature of that secret relationship.
    How has this been substantiated?

  • In spite of Trump's testimony, Trump knew that Russian Intelligence hacked the DNC and demonstrated his knowledge of the contents when only Russian Intelligence and Assange should have had that information.
  • In spite of Trump's testimony, Trump knew Flynn was a Russian agent and was using Flynn to promise Putin that he would shut down Russian sanctions as quickly as possible.
  • Flynn's attorney's recorded Trump's lawyers promising Flynn a pardon if he stayed quiet and promising destruction if Flynn talked.  What Trump's secret Russian spy might have talked about remains a mystery since FLynn was pardoned and is now running for office in Sarasota, FL>
  • Can you substantiate these?

    Trump's attempted Coup on Jan 6th
    Really?

    are all sepearate attacks on the American people's integrity, liberty and right to self-government.
    Democracy isn't self-government.




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    @Greyparrot
    I'd like to hear from Democrats on this site if they agree with the Democrats polled by Newsweek.
    I see no reason to believe the survey is real. As HB pointed out earlier, the link to the survey just takes you to the pollster's website. Apparently Newsweek's strategy is to assume it's readers won't be interested in learning anything more about it.

    Also as HB pointed out, even if the survey is real, how the question was asked matters which is probably why they don't want it's readers to look at it. I might actually be in agreement if the question is framed in terms of the effect these investigations will have on the election. But that's not what Newsweek is implying. Clearly, they're trying to delagitimize the indictments themselves as political. That's nonsense.

    Trump is being indicted because he committed very serious crimes and the authorities are treating him exactly as they're supposed to. The fact that these indictments and eventual trial may shape the outcome of a presidential election is extremely unfortunate, the fault for that however lies not in those enforcing the nation's laws but rather the one who decided not only to break them but to burn the country down as his defense strategy.
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    What countries don't have extradition treaties with the USA? That is where Trump will be going to soon.
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    @Double_R
    I see no reason to believe the survey is real. 

    I agree with you, it was probably worded in such a way as to get a desired result, and since we can't see the question, it makes it highly sus.

     The fact that these indictments and eventual trial may shape the outcome of a presidential election is extremely unfortunate,
    That's an understatement, lol