White Privilege - Fact or Fiction?

...but I have to rebut the lie that is "black privilege" which doesn't exist at all.

White Privilege by definition: White privilege, or white skin privilege, is the societal privilege that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.

Like @n8nrgim said blacks get discriminated way more. We *always do. As a black man when I go to the store I have to worry about being watched to see if I'm stealing due to the color of my skin.

To say WP doesn't exist is like saying racism doesn't exist.

I had a debate on debate.org and someone said that black privilege exists because if I recall, their stance was white privilege doesn't exist. "black privilege"? That's outlandish. I seen this coming a mile away. Do you know how much shit black people go through and still do?

By bringing up black privilege is merely moving the goal post and not wanting to take responsibility.

The last thing black people are is privileged. Slavery existed. So then by saying there's black privilege is a big insult and a slap in the face. 

BLM was created.

White people were offended by that and kept saying "All lives matter" of course discrediting black lives. BLM means black lives matter too, not black lives matter only. The movement was created to say that our lives matter just like everyone else's. 

• White people don't have to worry about the texture of their hair, the color of their skin color or their cultural accessories as the reason why they didn't get a job.
  

• White people don't have to worry about being told to get over slavery, or Jim Crow, or segregation in schools, and jobs, as if it does not affect every single aspect of their life to this day.
  

• White people don't have to worry about having a talk with their children about obeying police officers and following their every command or their life could be gone.
  

• White people don't have to worry about informing their children of the harsh realities of systematic racism.
  

And let's not forget the amount of racist shit Black people say on National Television and print and no one bats an eye, in fact many applaud and bow to their tenacity to say such blatant racist shit towards White people. Joy Ann Reid. Elie Mystal. Whoopie Goldberg. Sunny Hostin. Al Sharpton. The list is long and ridiculous. But if a white person said anything remotely close to the level of trash these people say, they're immediately fired, canceled, and castigated from society. That is Black Privilege.

That is a vague definition of white privilege.

If it happens to be a person of color being followed more, well, you/they have no one to blame but their own race for that reality. It has nothing to do with "white privilege."

That shit is much of their own fault, as the example of shoplifting above and the realities of criminological data.

This historical institution of slavery has absolutely nothing to do with the realities of black privilege. Yet another false equivalency fallacy on your part.

On a lie.

No, not just white people...all people were offended by it; and saying all lives matter does not discredit black lives. In fact, black people are the ones who truly discredit black lives. They do it every day when a black person kills another black person, they turn a blinds eye and only start jumping on cars screaming and hollering when a white person, namely a cop, shoots a black person, and not necessarily killing them, but that is often the result. BLM is selective on which black lives matter dependent on who kills the black life. This fact makes BLM a joke in more ways than one given the fact that the founders took the money donated to the organization and ran, profiting only themselves and close family and friends with excessive payments under false pretenses. BLM is also used as an excuse to cause millions, if not billions of dollars in damages through rioting which always results in Burning, Looting and Murdering (BLM) innocent people in the name of none other than a glorified criminal. The FACT that next to no one has been held accountable for the billions in damages caused by the BLM riots of 2020, whilst the government making an example out of a handful of idiots for J6, most to all of them white (some Hispanic), further demonstrates the existence of black privilege.

There is no race other than Blacks that dwell on the past and let it affect their abilities to progress forward.

This is a double bullet point...

White people, typically, speak standard American English, which is why they don't have to worry about it. Even Asians and others where English is a second language always strive to speak standard American English. Blacks, apparently, do not, as they prefer Black English, and make little to no efforts to speak standard American English. That is a choice that comes with consequences, and it has nothing to do with white privilege. It's called capitalism, and if you want to work let alone do business not only in America, but worldwide, then you adhere to the language standard which is American English.

(Emmett Till)

Irrelevant. Different time and era that has no bearing on the realities of present day.

(Trayvon Martin)

Got what he deserved, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege.

(Michael Brown)

He reaped what he sowed, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege. In fact, the officer that killed him in defense of his own life, his life is ruined because of this black kid.

Tamir Rice

Sandra Bland

And let's not forget the amount of racist shit Black people say on National Television and print and no one bats an eye, in fact many applaud and bow to their tenacity to say such blatant racist shit towards White people. Joy Ann Reid. Elie Mystal. Whoopie Goldberg. Sunny Hostin. Al Sharpton. The list is long and ridiculous. But if a white person said anything remotely close to the level of trash these people say, they're immediately fired, canceled, and castigated from society. That is Black Privilege.

And how many things have white people gotten away with? White people have done horrible things and trashed black people so when black people do the same thing it's an issue. Black people have been done so dirty for a long time so it is what it is. I wouldn't call it black privilege. 

That is a vague definition of white privilege.

It's not rocket science. I don't need to go deeper. Let's have a real conversation here and ask you a question, is black supremacy real? Is that a thing? Do you think white supremacy doesn't exist?

White Privilege by definition: White privilege, or white skin privilege, is the societal privilege that benefits white people over non-white people in some societies, particularly if they are otherwise under the same social, political, or economic circumstances.

That is a vague definition of white privilege. You need to give it more clarity by defining what "societal privilege" is. The way I see it, you, like everyone else, conflate the merit one employs to get something in/out of life with their skin color absent that merit. Just because someone has white skin doesn't automatically make them the winner of the lottery (e.g., the job, promotion, scholarship, etc.). Privilege, "a special advantage, immunity, permission, right or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual," is earned, it is not given freely. Blacks who excel in school, achieve good grades, win scholarships, and go on to become entrepreneurs earn the same privilege as anyone else striving for the same thing(s).

If it happens to be a person of color being followed more, well, you/they have no one to blame but their own race for that reality. It has nothing to do with "white privilege."

It has everything to do with it. A white person can steal and get away with it more easily, yet black people get harassed for not even doing anything, I've witnessed this because I've worked retail before. A Walmart employee is more likely to check a black person's receipt than white person.

That shit is much of their own fault, as the example of shoplifting above and the realities of criminological data.

It goes way beyond shoplifting. Slavery isn't black people's fault. Not saying you said it was, just using it as an example.

• The historical record is incontrovertible—as documented in the PBS Africans in America series companion book:
  

• The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa . . . . And by the fifteenth century, men with dark skin had become quite comfortable with the concept of man as property . . . . Long before the arrival of Europeans on West Africa’s coast, the two continents shared a common acceptance of slavery as an unavoidable and necessary—perhaps even desirable—fact of existence. The commerce between the two continents, as tragic as it would become, developed upon familiar territory. Slavery was not a twisted European manipulation, although Europe capitalized on a mutual understanding and greedily expanded the slave trade into what would become a horrific enterprise . . . . It was a thunder that had no sound. Tribe stalked tribe, and eventually more than 20 million Africans would be kidnapped in their own homeland. 10
  

• Historians estimate that ten million of these abducted Africans “never even made it to the slave ships. Most died on the march to the sea”—still chained, yoked, and shackled by their African captors—before they ever laid eyes on a white slave trader. 11
  

This historical institution of slavery has absolutely nothing to do with the realities of black privilege. Yet another false equivalency fallacy on your part.

I'm talking about the overall history of black people and that includes slavery. You can't separate the two of them to help your argument (slavery and "black privilege").

On a lie.

How was BLM created on a lie?

There is no race other than Blacks that dwell on the past and let it affect their abilities to progress forward.

Well probably because blacks got treated the worst and is still getting discriminated the most present day.

White people, typically, speak standard American English, which is why they don't have to worry about it. Even Asians and others where English is a second language always strive to speak standard American English. Blacks, apparently, do not, as they prefer Black English, and make little to no efforts to speak standard American English. That is a choice that comes with consequences, and it has nothing to do with white privilege. It's called capitalism, and if you want to work let alone do business not only in America, but worldwide, then you adhere to the language standard which is American English.

There's many white people who don't speak proper English and not all black people speak "Black English" or are "ghetto" there's some who speak proper English but unfortunately when they do, they "talk white" when it shouldn't be labeled as that. It should just be that they are well spoken. This is what I mean by white privilege. It also depends where you grow up. Some white people grew up around black people and tend to talk like them or a black person can grow up around white people and talk like them, it depends, so you can't put everyone in the same box. Some white folks talk slang and as country as they wanna be yet they aren't judged for it like black people are lmao again white privilege. 

(Emmett Till)

Irrelevant. Different time and era that has no bearing on the realities of present day.

But it does. This compares to the modern-day. Trayvon Martin case. History repeats itself.

(Trayvon Martin)

Got what he deserved, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege.

Got what he deserved? Yeah no. But I'll let you have this point since this is a sensitive topic for me, and I actually care about lives lost, especially Tamir Rice. An innocent 12 year old boy.

(Michael Brown)

He reaped what he sowed, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege. In fact, the officer that killed him in defense of his own life, his life is ruined because of this black kid.

Michael Brown was literally weaponless, on his knees with his hands up. He was defenseless. Yet officer Wilson still shot and killed him. What are you talking about defended his own life? He was afraid of him off of the mere fact that he was a black man. Officer Wilson wasn't innocent and he deserves to live in fear because he didn't have to do what he did. Could've arrested him or anything without having to take his life.

Tamir Rice

So you telling me a trained officer is unable to tell between a real and a fake pistol? Wonder if this was a 12 year old little white boy would they have shot and killed him in cold blood. I also wonder would you even have some sympathy if this was a white boy who was killed.

Sandra Bland

You can't prove she took her own life.

Afterwards she took her life? Doesn't make sense. There's a reason why there's so many holes in this story and so many people around the world - including Sandra Bland's family doesn't believe she took her own life. They said she was outgoing and had a lot to live for. There was no indication of depression or anything for her to just take her own life. She made many uplifting videos. Look at all these comments Sandra Bland Jailhouse Video Shows Last Moments of Her Life - YouTube Common sense. Come on now. 

Saying white privilege isn't real/not believing it is one thing but to seriously say black privilege is real is delusional especially with all the hell black people has always gone through.

No, it is not rocket science but you DO need to go deeper by explaining yourself more fully so not only I, but others reading your reply, have a clear understanding of your understanding of what and how you define white privilege as.

Also, you do not get to skate on giving a clear and concise definition by shifting the goal posts to a red herring topic of black supremacy. This topic is about white, and by extension, black privilege. Please define "societal privilege" that fits the context of your asserted term, "white privilege."

Well actually, slavery in the America's was the fault of black people. Africans sold Africans into slavery.

I'm talking about the overall history of black people and that includes slavery. You can't separate the two of them to help your argument (slavery and "black privilege").

Yes, I can separate them as one has nothing to do with the other.

Black Lives Matter was built on a lie | Washington Examiner

Emmett Till doesn't even come close to the Trayvon Martin case. Two different eras. Two different circumstances. Two different societies and social-psychological cultures. Two different everything. There is no comparison whatsoever. It is and remains a false equivalency fallacy.

Uh yes, he got what he deserved. I was a thug on the fast track to prison, just like so many other young black boys with absent fathers.

There was photographic and physical evidence proving he was trying to join a gang attempting to get street credentials by beating the shit out of a white person. Zimmerman gave him means, motive and opportunity to do so and he took his shot and lost. So yeah, he got what he deserved, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege.

God! Do you believe everything you are told about a serious case like that, or do you ever do your own research and learn the truth before making the same debunked leftist race-baiting talking points!!!?!!! Brown was NOT on his knees with his hands up. He literally attacked the officer for merely asking him to get out of the street and walk on the sidewalk. He tried to steal the officer's service pistol and throwing punches. In the final moments, Michael Brown started to run away but turned and charged at the officer and caused his own death. He was never on his knees, and he certainly did not have his hands up. The officer was already brutally assaulted by Brown who tried to take his pistol, all this after strongarm robbery of a store clerk over cigars (and yes, the officer did not know this), so in his mind, in any reasonable person's mind, Brown wasn't going to stop until the officer was mortally wounded or dead. The officer shot to save his life. End of story. It is the same story that the DOJ came to, as the evidence proved. You're delusional if you believe it went down any other way.

White boys have been shot and killed while holding a toy gun, an airsoft gun of all obvious toy guns, and there were no riots or public outcry over it either.

As I said, police who second guess themselves more often than not end up seriously injured (career ending kind), or dead (definitely career ending). If a kid doesn't listen or drop what's in their hands when a cop arrives on scene, well, that goes to bad parenting, and I blame them and not the cops.

No, it is not rocket science but you DO need to go deeper by explaining yourself more fully so not only I, but others reading your reply, have a clear understanding of your understanding of what and how you define white privilege as.

I know exactly what you said, and I read everything, I felt no need to re-quote it word for word and I didn't ignore anything. There's no need for me to dig deeper. You're simply asking for "societal privilege"? White people simply have privilege over non people of color in society. What else is there to explain?

Also, you do not get to skate on giving a clear and concise definition by shifting the goal posts to a red herring topic of black supremacy. This topic is about white, and by extension, black privilege. Please define "societal privilege" that fits the context of your asserted term, "white privilege."

No, since you said "black privilege" is real I brought up black supremacy and asked you if it was real. I see you didn't answer.

My point exactly because you know it isn't real. It's not a red herring at all. I brought up white supremacy since it ties into white privilege, which isn't my asserted term, it's a REAL universal term, unlike black privilege which is NOT real term nor a real thing.

Well actually, slavery in the America's was the fault of black people. Africans sold Africans into slavery.

Oh wow so now slavery is black people's fault, okay Kanye. You clearly don't know history. I'm done with this now, this is getting foolish. You have your opinion and I rest my case.

I'm talking about the overall history of black people and that includes slavery. You can't separate the two of them to help your argument (slavery and "black privilege").

Yes, I can separate them as one has nothing to do with the other.

It absolutely does. Again, you're trying to help your argument because you know by me bringing up slavery destroys your stance. Slavery has something to do with black people. Your fake asserted term "black privilege" has something to do with black people. So those two go together. How is there "black privilege" when black people have gone through something as horrible as slavery? I rest my case.

Black Lives Matter was built on a lie | Washington Examiner

I read that article word for word and it's nothing but bullshit. BLM didn't start with lies, it started with Michael Brown rightfully so, with the unjustified killings of unarmed black men.

Emmett Till doesn't even come close to the Trayvon Martin case. Two different eras. Two different circumstances. Two different societies and social-psychological cultures. Two different everything. There is no comparison whatsoever. It is and remains a false equivalency fallacy.

You're right it's two different eras but this just shows that unfortunately things have not changed. White men still unlawfully getting away with killing innocent black boys.

Uh yes, he got what he deserved. I was a thug on the fast track to prison, just like so many other young black boys with absent fathers.

There was photographic and physical evidence proving he was trying to join a gang attempting to get street credentials by beating the shit out of a white person. Zimmerman gave him means, motive and opportunity to do so and he took his shot and lost. So yeah, he got what he deserved, and it had nothing to do with so-called white privilege.

Zimmerman wasn't the police and was instructed not to keep following Trayvon yet he did. Hopefully one day someone kills Zimmerman.

God! Do you believe everything you are told about a serious case like that, or do you ever do your own research and learn the truth before making the same debunked leftist race-baiting talking points!!!?!!! Brown was NOT on his knees with his hands up. He literally attacked the officer for merely asking him to get out of the street and walk on the sidewalk. He tried to steal the officer's service pistol and throwing punches. In the final moments, Michael Brown started to run away but turned and charged at the officer and caused his own death. He was never on his knees, and he certainly did not have his hands up. The officer was already brutally assaulted by Brown who tried to take his pistol, all this after strongarm robbery of a store clerk over cigars (and yes, the officer did not know this), so in his mind, in any reasonable person's mind, Brown wasn't going to stop until the officer was mortally wounded or dead. The officer shot to save his life. End of story. It is the same story that the DOJ came to, as the evidence proved. You're delusional if you believe it went down any other way.

 Michael Brown shooting: timeline - YouTube

White boys have been shot and killed while holding a toy gun, an airsoft gun of all obvious toy guns, and there were no riots or public outcry over it either.

As I said, police who second guess themselves more often than not end up seriously injured (career ending kind), or dead (definitely career ending). If a kid doesn't listen or drop what's in their hands when a cop arrives on scene, well, that goes to bad parenting, and I blame them and not the cops.

The problem was that when the cops pulled up, they never said "freeze" or "drop your weapon" they automatically started shooting right as he pulled up within a span of two seconds. Has nothing to do with bad parenting, that was a officer who doesn't know how to do their job and was discriminating. How do you mistake a 12 year old for a 20 year old? What a joke.

I do know history, a lot better than you do obviously. I have studied black American history for more than 25 years.

White men get away with no such thing. Stop trying to pull a rabbit out of that clearly empty hat of yours. You're all out of tricks. You need to cite facts to back of these patently ridiculous claims.

JFC! You're just like everyone else parroting this nonsense about the Martin case and the 911 dispatcher. A dispatcher is NOT a lawful authority. No one needs to do what a dispatcher tells them to do, or not to do. And Zimmerman did not follow Martin, Martin doubled back and came around the vehicle and sucker punched Zimmerman in the face, knocking him to the ground. He then commenced to whale on him, fist over fist, and smashing his hand against the curb. Zimmerman doesn't have to be a cop to be a neighborhood watchman. And everyone has a right to protect themselves, even if that means shooting a person with whom they fear might take their life or leave them mortally wounded. Again, Martin got what he deserved. End of story.

Were you present at each case to know for a concrete fact that every single cop in each instance "never said 'freeze' or 'drop your weapon'"? That in each case each cop just opened their car door, pulled their service pistol, and just started popping rounds off!?!

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Well I'm saying it now, agree to disagree. Black supremacy does not exist...