It was never a country. There is no two state solution that does not make the problem much worse. Palestinians need to accept that they are non voting Israelis
There is no palestine
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There is a two state solution that makes the situation infinitely better.
Idiots leading Hamas is problem number one and Israeli arrogance by 'one state or nothing' is the other. Both share knuckleheaded foolishness.
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@RationalMadman
Give Palestinians a country and the first thing they do is build a,army and airforce funded by Arab nations
And then declare war
So people's autonomy means nothing?
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@Vegasgiants
Give Palestinians a country and the first thing they do is build a,army and airforce funded by Arab nationsAnd then declare war
Given the state of things and constant conflicts there, it is likely that that would happen, yes. There was already a war between Israel and Arab nations. It is likely they would use Palestine as proxy.
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@Best.Korea
I support not making it worse
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@Vegasgiants
Let’s just keep the apartheid going then
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@WillyB
I agree. Until the plo recognizes Israel they get nothing
The 1948 war ended with Israeli forces controlling approximately 78 percent of historical Palestine. The remaining 22 percent fell under the administration of Egypt and Jordan. In 1967, Israel absorbed the whole of historical Palestine, as well as additional territory from Egypt and Syria.
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@FLRW
Palestinians were offered a country after ww2. They declined. Let them live with their decision
All nations are made up. Objective rights are properties of individuals.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
How does one treat the property owned by multiple persons at the same time?
Should it be a democratic choice, or is it impossible for property to be owned by multiple persons at the same time?
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@Best.Korea
How does one treat the property owned by multiple persons at the same time?
The moral (and sometimes legal) concept used for joint ownership is a corporation.
Whether or not any existing legal system fails to implement this protocol it is necessary: The formation of the collective entity requires the selection (by charter/contract/constitution) of the means of resolving disputes in disposal of property.
In other words don't get married without a prenuptial. If you never fall out then it's harmless.
In this context I should remind everyone that you can't own land, all you can do is claim it and any system of mutually respected land claims is a negotiation (when it's not a negotiation it's a war, you may have noticed).
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@WillyB
Let’s just keep the apartheid going then
Then punish all the Arab states, all of which have closed their doors to Palestine refugees.
Palestinians need to accept that they are non voting Israelis
Yes, they should all change their name to Toby.
I'm surprised that American Indians haven't asked for their own country in the state of New York.
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@FLRW
OK that works
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@FLRW
Well....they could ask.....lol
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@Vegasgiants
Your case seems to be based on some kind of idk what as it's even beyond racism and just stupidity.
Hamas has more justification for their acts due to 2 things:
- How far Israel has gone in retaliation (though the reason this ended up maiming children and slaugthering them is because Hamas uses underage human shields very intentionally).
- The fact Israel has themselves given up negotiating the land split.
If you removed part 2 from the equation, part 1 would only hold ground if Hamas kept being the aggressor (which defeats the point they're trying to make then).
Since the US has ensured that Saudi and its Sunni allies stay militaristically tame against Israel, it is only the Shi'ite ones to fear and essentially that's just going to be Iran and Palestine.
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@RationalMadman
There is no negotiation with a party that has declared you don't have a right to exist. Any concessions to them are foolish because they are determined to destroy you.
We would never show the restraint Israel has shown to our enemies
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@Vegasgiants
Imagine granting Putin or Xi xin Ping the land of New Mexico in exchange for a "peaceful world." Why would the USA do that?
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@Greyparrot
They wouldn't
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@FLRW
The 1948 war ended with Israeli forces controlling approximately 78 percent of historical Palestine. The remaining 22 percent fell under the administration of Egypt and Jordan. In 1967, Israel absorbed the whole of historical Palestine, as well as additional territory from Egypt and Syria.
Yes, and Israel returned territory to each as part of peace negotiations.
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@RationalMadman
Israel has offered to negotiate several times in the past, but was turned down.
The Palestinian position has always appeared to be "Give us our land back, THEN we will negotiate." It's absurd to demand what you want as a precondition for negotiating with an enemy.
Besides, when, if ever, has the loser of a war been allowed to determine the terms of the peace?
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@Vegasgiants
It was never a country.
Many people disagree.
From WIKI .."Syria Palaestina (Koinē Greek: Συρία ἡ Παλαιστίνη, romanized: Syría hē Palaistínē, [syˈri.a (h)e̝ pa.lɛsˈt̪i.ne̝]), or Roman Palestine,[1][2][3] was a Roman province in the Palestine region between the early 2nd and late 4th centuries AD. The province's capital remained Caesarea Maritima."
- "Roman Palestine". Britnannica.
- ^ Trevor Bryce, 2009, The Routledge Handbook of the Peoples and Places of Ancient Western Asia
- ^ Roland de Vaux, 1978, The Early History of Israel, Page 2: "After the revolt of Bar Cochba in 135, the Roman province of Judaea was renamed Palestinian Syria.
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@prefix
A Roman province. Lol
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@Vegasgiants
There is no negotiation with a party that has declared you don't have a right to exist. Any concessions to them are foolish because they are determined to destroy you.We would never show the restraint Israel has shown to our enemies
If by restraint you mean chemical weapons and killing children then I agree if 'we' means American Military, the US has done the latter plenty of times in fact to the very demographic that Israel has (Islamic youth).
That said, I don't understand what you are arguing for. Are you that genuinely insane that you think all Palestinians hold the ethos of Hamas?
I know more Israelis that believe that absolutely asinine idea that Palestine is 'theirs' and they are much more arrogant and 'entitled' to land they never earned. Both sides are extremely arrogant amongst some of them but only a minority of Palestinians support eradicating Israel, most want two-state solution.
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@b9_ntt
Besides, when, if ever, has the loser of a war been allowed to determine the terms of the peace?
When the winning side isn't run by psychopaths.
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@Vegasgiants
Oh!
I forgot who I was dealing with. LOL
You are saying that Palestine was a PROVINCE and not a NATION.
Well being Mr. Literal suits you well.
Provinces were based on many factors, most of which were the same factors on which nations are based.
Many Roman provinces formed the basis for nationhood. Spain, Italy, Greece, France, Germany ( in part), Britain, Arabia, Macedonia, Egypt ( in part), and Palestine ( known sometimes as Levant) all grew from the Roman Empire. There are more also, but you might get the point here.
Before you respond, do a little research on the area.
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@RationalMadman
When the winning side isn't run by psychopaths.
I disagree. And, you're just flipping me off, rather than answering.