What exists? (No seriously.)

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A few questions to ponder and discuss:

  1.  Does the past exist?
  2. Does the future exist?
  3. Do abstractions exist?
  4. Do thoughts exist?
  5. If something will never be observed, does it exist?
  6. If you have heard that something has been observed, but never observe it yourself, does it exist?
as long as we exist, i believe it all will exist, until the promised day. there will be existence onwards but things might be different
Good point.
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thx

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We are an ongoing but temporary  bundle of electro-chemical reactions, that thinks it exists, and has the simulation to prove it.

I think therefore I am.
oh, <Cogito, ergo sum> eh?
well, u r correct.

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We are an ongoing but temporary  bundle of electro-chemical reactions, that thinks it exists, and has the simulation to prove it.

I think therefore I am.
oh, <Cogito, ergo sum> eh?
well, u r correct.
I think therefore I am is not a reaction from a bundle of electro-chemicals.
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then where is it from?

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then where is it from?
It’s a person thinking, therefore he exists.
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So what is a person thinking and how does it function?

We only simulate the macro person, because we cannot process the micro without a device.

Such are the limitations of the blob.

Though what if we only perceived ourselves at a molecular or atomic level?
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it ain't that complex, the more u think of something, the weirder it gets.
for instance, if u keep on saying a single word on n on, let it be any, then after 2 or 3 minutes, u will feel like u r saying such a weird n awful thing.
that's how it goes. U, me n the rest of the WORLD does exist, but we don't truly know who is living. our main thing should be living itself, since many exist but not evry1 lives./
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A Zedku for vi_777


Hey vi.

It's complex.

Tell me how.

Fundamental matter binds together.

And carries messages from outside to in.

Across connections of bound matter.

And then turns that message into ones own image or sensation.

All this and all structure written in code in an ovum and a spermatozoa

Their own codes written in previous generations of encoded gametes.

Herein the zygote assembles a mass of 37 trillion cells

And a vast microbial symbiosis

Chemical Elements, Molecules, Amino Acids, Proteins et al.

306 bones,

78 organs

600 muscles

60000 miles of blood vessels.

5 million hair follicles

92 strands of DNA x 37 trillion...You do the maths.

All for a Universal nanosecond of existence and awareness.

Then autodestruct.

Please clarify.





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Damn, Zed is so smart. And no Shila, I'm not going to give him a thumbs up!
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So what is a person thinking and how does it function?
The fact that a person can think proves his existence.
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We think that a mass functions, and we think that we are aware.

Though all thoughts are electro-chemical reconstructions assessed somewhere.

Could be anywhere.
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We think that a mass functions, and we think that we are aware.

Though all thoughts are electro-chemical reconstructions assessed somewhere.

Could be anywhere.
It validates the person who thinks.

What did Descartes mean by "I think therefore I am"?
“I think; therefore I am” was the end of the search Descartes conducted for a statement that could not be doubted. He found that he could not doubt that he himself existed, as he was the one doing the doubting in the first place. In Latin (the language in which Descartes wrote), the phrase is “Cogito, ergo sum.”

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The thought validates the process.

The thought is the process.

But how can we confirm that the signal and simulation accurately correspond with an external reality.

One might suggest that concurrence is proof.

But concurrence is just two separate thought processes.
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But how can we confirm that the signal and simulation accurately correspond with an external reality.
That is upto the person who is thinking.
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That is upto the person who is thinking.
How can you know that for sure?
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A ''''''''Zedku''''' for vi_777
could u clarify what is that Zedku  ?
n yeah i really appreciate it, the way u put in all that stuff, i mean, dude that's hell.
also can u state ur main question in some simple terms?
it would be of real help......
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All for a Universal nanosecond of existence and awareness.

Then autodestruct.
man, i could hv done the math, but well this part is even more intriguing! that's some stuff.
say, hv u find the real thing why u r existing or should exist?
i'm just generally askin
cz well bout this i do think that;
Life is the interval between breathing in and, breathing out.
if it's about the existence, then rzn, purpose, all that sometimes varies, as it's based on beliefs.

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That is upto the person who is thinking.
How can you know that for sure?
From what he says we can see there was thought put behind it.
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A Zedku is a verse of as many lines and syllables as I see appropriate.

You could try a viku.


No questions

Just saying that existence is complex.

And I didn't even mention the endocrine or nervous systems.


Though beliefs are wholly internal, which isn't to say that they do not use external signalling as a stimulus.

So, we might think that we share beliefs, which is true.


And I would suggest that A LIFE is the duration of a sentient event.

I couldn't really say for sure what life is.

Any definitive ideas vi?

Is it just and electro-chemical ignition, sort of a big bang in the womb.
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From what he says we can see there was thought put behind it.

A sound from somewhere, converted into an electro-chemical signal by the auditory nerve enters the brain where it is converted into a noise.

We cannot see his process as it does not produce a signal that can be detected by an optical sensor.

We can only create our own thought relative to the incoming auditory signal.

The outcome is always an internal simulation.

Or so we think.

We can only assume that the simulation is representative of an existent quantity.

Namely HIM.
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A Zedku is a verse of as many lines and syllables as I see appropriate.
ahh I C, thx for the clarification. is it something u came up with?


Just saying that existence is complex.
now that u mention, it is n maybe it isn't. it would again vary from one to the other.


So, we might think that we share beliefs, which is true.
yes, that can be said.


Though beliefs are wholly internal, which isn't to say that they do not use external signalling as a stimulus.
yes they r, very much actually.


 A LIFE is the duration of a sentient event.
that's quite a broaaaaaad view.


Any definitive ideas vi?
it's a multi faceted conecept, thou it is no more than a mere mirage, n what holds the greatest significance is that we actually find a way through it not just simply by going about it everyday, cz well i believe  everyone has a purpose, whether they know it or not.
n the rest is again based on beliefs, faith n all.


Is it just and electro-chemical ignition, sort of a big bang in the womb.
well it isn't just that, since that's just the beginning of something quite intricate.
n well there do exist ppl who hv discovered the meaning of it.

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We can only assume that the simulation is representative of an existent quantity.
well yes, assumptions can be made, thou if we keep on looking, we'll actually find out.
needless to say, it all accounts if we r actually looking with a mind ready to accept and understand.
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Just saying that existence is complex.
now that u mention, it is n maybe it isn't. it would again vary from one to the other.
Existence is the most complex thing in existence.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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Purpose.

Yep, everything might or might not have a greater universal purpose.

For some reason we are programmed survivalists.
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Zen.
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Yep, everything might or might not have a greater universal purpose.

no greater purpose zed. only humans assign a meta-space mind/intellect/conceptual purpose to this, that or the finite, eternally existent, occupied space Universe.

even the suffix of word universe { -verse } infers complex animals narrative.

the best words to use, in place of purpose, is integrity.  Universe has dynamic structural integrity and dynamic systemic integrity.

these both complemented by eternally absolute, meta-space  physical laws and cosmic principles.

ebucuuOMuuuu...........space(^v^v^)(v^v^v)space.........
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@zedvictor4
A sound from somewhere, converted into an electro-chemical signal by the auditory nerve enters the brain where it is converted into a noise.

We cannot see his process as it does not produce a signal that can be detected by an optical sensor.

We can only create our own thought relative to the incoming auditory signal.
Thinking does not need an external stimuli. A person could be reflecting on past events subjectively.
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  I think, therefore I watch porn.
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  I think, therefore I watch porn.
I am sure you are thinking when watching porn.

Some of the common damaging effects of pornography for users can include addiction, isolation, increased aggression, distorted beliefs and perceptions about relationships and sexuality, negative feelings about themselves, and neglecting other areas of their lives (Fight the New Drug, 2023; Maltz & Maltz, 2006; Manning, ...