It appears Senator Tommy Tuberville is a big fat liar. This should help him as a Republican

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Republicans are true Christians.  Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.) is in hot water after he cursed out a group of teenage Senate pages in the Capitol rotunda early Thursday morning.
According to a transcript written by a page minutes after the incident and obtained by The Hill, Van Orden called the pages “jackasses” and “pieces of s‑‑‑,” and told them he didn’t “give a f‑‑‑ who you are.”
The pages are a group of 16- and 17-year-olds who assist Senate operations, and when the Senate works late — as it did Wednesday night on National Defense Authorization Act amendments — pages generally rest nearby in the rotunda.
“Wake the f‑‑‑ up you little s‑‑‑‑. … What the f‑‑‑ are you all doing? Get the f‑‑‑ out of here. You are defiling the space you [pieces of s‑‑‑],” Van Orden said, according to the account provided by the page.
“Who the f‑‑‑ are you?” Van Orden asked, to which one person said they were Senate pages. “I don’t give a f‑‑‑ who you are, get out.”
“You jackasses, get out,” he added.
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Well, at least he didn’t try to have sex with these interns, which is the typical interaction Republican Congressmen have with Washington interns.
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I was being hyperbolic and using the same wording that I saw from TWS to keep it in the context of this thread. I should correct myself that I can't identify any pathological liars in the Democratic party in the psychological sense of the word (unlike Trump and George Santos in the GOP).

There are many politicians in the Democratic party who do lie, and the Democratic party is also hugely corrupt, just not as much as the GOP.
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the Democratic party is also hugely corrupt
Really? How so? Name 3 scandals from the last 10 years where a Democrat President was credibly accused of bribery or corruption. 

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Basically he is the modern face of the GOP. 
Are you sure, I thought the title was split between Marjorie Taylor Green and George Santos.
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I mean to say, this is really both parties. We have had 2 straight years of "what about Trump" when anyone dares question Biden on anything.
OGP, Trumpet is not Biden.   The wires in you brain are still haywire on this issue.

Get a life where you not a Trumpet cult follower sniffing is butt constantly and do yourself a healthy mental favor, as well as the rest of society. Please

Ron Desanctimoninous > Trumpet  My Horn > Apocalyptic Pence > Niki Haley Meteroite > Christ Christie Saviour
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"The problem with the world today is nobody is punished for lying, they are punished for telling the truth."
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Conservatives are the kings of whataboutism.
Comparative fact based arguments in rebuttal to a notorious position are perfectly valid arguments. Libtards always use this as a catch-all like screaming “you’re a racist” to stifle debate they know they can’t win on any measure of merit. 

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Comparative fact based arguments in rebuttal to a notorious position are perfectly valid arguments.
That's not what he is talking about. When you use whataboutism to counter hypocrisy, you are essentially throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Hypocrisy  is an act counter to acceptable behavior.

Whataboutism attacks the standards an which hypocrisy is judged.

Whataboutism is an obfuscation tactic that partisan people use to deflect criticism or avoid taking responsibility for their actions. When someone calls them out for being hypocritical, instead of owning up to it, they respond by bringing up someone else's unrelated mistake or wrongdoing, saying something like, "Well, what about when you did this?" It's a way of trying to shift the focus away from their own hypocrisy by pointing out the faults of others.

Whataboutism doesn't ever address the original accusation of hypocrisy and seems to normalize bad behavior by saying "look, all these other people do it too." It's like a diversion tactic to avoid facing the real issue. It might make it seem like they have a point, but it doesn't excuse their own inconsistency or double standards; instead, it justifies bad standards. This is why the powerful elite in both parties actively promote whataboutism to allow corruption to continue.


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Whatever… 🤚🙄
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The Democratic party goes beyond the President. Below are recent examples of corruption in the Democratic party. Also, I want to be clear that since the SCOTUS essentially legalized bribery in the Citizens United case, corruption is baked into the US political system. Both major parties receive huge amounts of money from corporate donors and then act in those donors' interests.

Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.

Examples

Joe Manchin uses his political position to make money from coal at the expense of his constituents and the environment, and he opposes most environmental actions in Congress because he's funded by fossil fuel companies.


While governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo added a provision to a budget bill that shielded hospital and nursing home executives from COVID-related litigation after receiving over $1 million in campaign donations from a healthcare industry group.


5 of the 13 members of Congress with the worst records for violations of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act are from the Democratic party.



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Also, I want to be clear that since the SCOTUS essentially legalized bribery in the Citizens United case, corruption is baked into the US political system. 
To be fair, corruption was already legal long before that case, as Congress still continues to make millions off of insider trading when they set economic policies for the whole country and then capitalize on the stock gains. The real currency exchange happens when paid lobbyists exchange votes for dollars, which means the politicians pay the lobbies by appropriating tax dollars through corporate welfare in exchange for lobby votes, where they don't directly pay the candidates for campaigns, rather they independently get the vote out through subsidiaries.

We could lose all direct payments to politicians and it still wouldn't make a dent in the current corruption because of all these other mechanisms. As long as the government has such control, there is going to be corruption. The fix for this kind of corruption is not more laws and control. It's less government control and more freedom.
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Comparative fact based arguments in rebuttal to a notorious position are perfectly valid arguments. 
There was no rebuttal, as you didn't refute anything about the original post describing Tommy Tuberville's lies. You didn't even mention the content of the original post.

In response to a post about a GOP politician's lies, you simply stated "Biden is a pathological liar". Essentially, you make the point "what about Biden's lies?", rather than confronting a negative evaluation of a politician on your side.

Also: Who, as a serious person, uses the term "libtard"? 
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I generally agree.
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Except for 

As long as the government has such control, there is going to be corruption.
You're trying to sneak in a libertarian anti-government idea into an otherwise agreeable post about corruption.
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Who, as a serious person, uses the term "libtard"?
Lots of people. So much so that:
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You're trying to sneak in a libertarian anti-government idea into an otherwise agreeable post about corruption.
It really is hard to rebut the maxim "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely"

A simple observation that a person's sense of morality lessens as his or her power increases.
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Right, "so much so" that the actual definition you linked is (emphasis mine):

an offensive word used by some people on the extreme right of politics to refer to someone who holds left-wing political beliefs.

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There are mechanisms to hold elected and career government officials to account. Sure, people in government can still carry out acts of corruption, but no system is perfect. The extent and levels of corruption in government vary across the world and over time, with many improvements due to greater transparency in modern times.

Since capitalists have "absolute power" over their businesses, do you agree that they are absolutely corrupt?
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Except for 

As long as the government has such control, there is going to be corruption.
You're trying to sneak in a libertarian anti-government idea into an otherwise agreeable post about corruption.
According to GP's religion, he must include a libertarian ant-government idea into every post, and he is a devout follower. 
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Since capitalists have "absolute power" over their businesses, do you agree that they are absolutely corrupt?
That's called autonomy. You should have absolute power over your own stuff. Corruption happens when you also have power over other people's stuff.

In today's crony capitalism, corporate America can and does use the government to enforce their will on others. Let's take that power away by not just removing their corrupt attack dogs, but by destroying the systemic kennel as well.
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Amen brotha.

***jive hand slapping intensifies***
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I don't know where you got your definition of corruption from.

Apart from public corruption, we also have private corruption between individuals and businesses. 

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Apart from public corruption, we also have private corruption between individuals and businesses. For instance, education, heritage, marriage, etc
Just curious, what would be an example of corruption through marriage?
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The point of my citing that dictionary flew over your head. 

The definition is/was of no importance. It’s the mere fact that a formally recognized dictionary has it as a part of the English lexicon precisely because it has been used “so much so” that it became recognized as a valid term worthy of being added to the dictionary. And like all serious people with a wide vocabulary, terms like libtard are used when and where apropos. 
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…that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence.
I agree, but that’s not corruption. Corruption is pardoning people who lie or remain silent to protect the president from being indicted 

Corruption is bribing and blackmailing foreign leaders for help with your campaign 

Corruption is benefiting financially through your power in government 

Corruption is trying to corrupt an election 

Joe Manchin uses his political position to make money from coal at the expense of his constituents and the environment, and he opposes most environmental actions in Congress because he's funded by fossil fuel companies.
That’s true but advocating for coal mining is good for his constituents, at least in the short term. And you realize you have picked the least democrat of the Democrats.
This guy is always voting against his party’s policy priorities.

While governor of New York, Andrew Cuomo added a provision to a budget bill that shielded hospital and nursing home executives from COVID-related litigation after receiving over $1 million in campaign donations from a healthcare industry group.
The money came in 2018, well before the Covid epidemic. It’s pretty hard to make the case they gave him the money just in case they needed liability protection should a pandemic arise.

5 of the 13 members of Congress with the worst records for violations of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act are from the Democratic party.
You may have read Democrats have proposed legislation to stop this practice, but Republicans won’t support it. And your numbers show how republicans are more likely to be corrupt and they are fine with that. They don’t want to change the practice.
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I agree,

Lol, what a closeted anti-elitist.
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Like here


And here.

So if you want to stop corruption, stop the Republican Party
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You're just taking a partisan stance in favor of the Democratic party without actually accepting that they have problems as well. Of course the Democratic party is better than the Republican party, but that's like being the tallest child in kindergarten.

Corruption should be stopped in both parties.
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I addressed all three you cited.

Manchin is in a state that loves Trump. He advocates for coal and he is a coal broker. His constituents want to keep mining coal. Corruption? Change the Senate rules.
There’s an appearance of self dealing for sure. 

The Cuomo one, less so.

The insider trading. Democrats are trying to end it.