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@IwantRooseveltagain
Being a nazi is legal. It's free speech
Now you are just picking and choosing which free speech you support
Supreme Court allows certain businesses to discriminate who they will serve
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@Vegasgiants
So I have to make a web page for a nazi themed wedding?
No, because being a Nazi does not require fair treatment.
Being gay, being black, being disabled, being Catholic does require fair treatment. Understand?
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@Vegasgiants
Being a nazi is legal. It's free speech
It is legal. Being a racist is legal. Being intolerant is legal. But you can’t sue someone for not renting to you because you are nazi, racist, intolerant loser.
You can sue someone who refuses to rent to blacks, or gays, or Catholics. Understand?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
We are discussing free speech. A nazi has as much free speech as a gay person
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Why? Why doesn't the issue of free speech apply to nazis?
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@Vegasgiants
Being a nazi is legal. It's free speech
This statement is not true. Being a Nazi is not free speech anymore than being a Republican is free speech.
Those are political ideologies. They are political parties. They are Political associations.
If someone refused to rent to you because you are a republican it would be tough shit.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What other constitutional rights can we deny to someone simply because they are a nazi?
Can we say they can't own a gun?
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@Vegasgiants
What other constitutional rights can we deny to someone simply because they are a nazi?
You are arguing this ass backwards.
Do Nazis have a right to free speech? Yes
Are Nazis protected against discrimination? No
Can a business owner refuse service to a Nazi? Yes
Can an employer deny a job to a Nazi for declaring they are a Nazi? Yes
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Can we deny free speech to nazis?
Can I refuse to create a web page because I don't like the content of the page?
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@Vegasgiants
So I have to make a web page for a nazi themed wedding?
Gorsuch’s argument is flawed.
If you are in some kind of speech business, you can deny certain groups such as gays your services. Just like a “creative” cake maker can refuse to make a cake for a gay wedding but a supermarket can’t refuse to sell a gay couple a cake off the shelf for their wedding. It’s the conservative SCJs bending over to accommodate bigots.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Then you agree with the decision
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@Vegasgiants
Can I refuse to create a web page because I don't like the content of the page?
For Nazis, yes. For a gay wedding, no. For a gay political rally, maybe, but it’s a stretch.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So I must make any website a gay person wants because they are gay?
No
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@Vegasgiants
Then you agree with the decision
No, I disagree. Calling it flawed might have tipped you off.
That logical thinking I narrated was SARCASM
Can I refuse to create a web page because I don't like the content of the page?[IwantRooseveltagain] For Nazis, yes. For a gay wedding, no. For a gay political rally, maybe, but it’s a stretch.
Because nazis are bad: No principle
PS sexual orientation is not mentioned in the civil rights act.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Content is speech. I have a right to refuse business with content I don't like
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@Vegasgiants
So I must make any website a gay person wants because they are gay?
How is that different than renting to a gay person? Should landlords be allowed to refuse their rentals to gays? On religious grounds, yes or no?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Should I be forced to paint rainbow flags all over the house before I rent it
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@Vegasgiants
Content is speech. I have a right to refuse business with content I don't like
It’s not your speech, it’s their speech.
A lawyer speaks for their clients. Can a lawyer refuse to represent someone because they are gay?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
If its their speech then they can make the page themselves
A lawyer can refuse to take the case of a gay person because he doesn't like the content of the case
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@Vegasgiants
Should I be forced to paint rainbow flags all over the house before I rent it
Do you know of an incident where a tenant forced a landlord to decorate a rental a certain way before they rent it? No, of course not.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The point is you can't force me to do work I don't agree with
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@Vegasgiants
A lawyer can refuse to take the case of a gay person because he doesn't like the content of the case
Why don’t they like the content? Because it involves a gay person? That would be illegal.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
They don't have to give a reason.
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@Vegasgiants
The point is you can't force me to do work I don't agree with
That’s bullshit. If you believe blacks and whites shouldn’t dine together, can you be forced to serve black customers at the same time you have white customers?
Yes you can be forced to accommodate them all at the same time.
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@Vegasgiants
They don't have to give a reason.
Yes, bigots can skirt the law. But this web designer chose not to play that game.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Can I be forced to serve food that a black person wants? There're limits
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@Vegasgiants
I've never agreed with work.
But always been compelled to do it.
It's more of a money thing than an ideological thing with me.
If someone can afford to turn down business, then they must be doing OK.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And the court ruled in his favor
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@Vegasgiants
Can I be forced to serve food that a black person wants?
What kind of food do black people want exactly ? You mean like fried chicken and watermelon? You are being ridiculous now.