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@Lemming
Considered.....and then offered the presidential sweetheart deal
11 felonies
Indicting Trump at this time is election interference
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@Vegasgiants
What do you mean by presidential sweetheart deal?
Of you mentioning 11 felonies again,
Source mentions many criticisms of report.
Additionally matter was considered by government,
Matter of Trump,
Ought 'also be considered by the law.
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@Lemming
Dude he lied under oath repeatedly.
That is a felony
Are you kidding?
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@Vegasgiants
"presidential sweetheart deal", is not a phrase I am familiar with.
. .
But I understand what you mean by it now.
Regardless, your 'own source,
In the "Response to report"
Mentions 'numerous examples, of criticisms to 'so 'called lies.
Example,
The report was also criticized for exaggerating what the legal definition of perjury is, accusing Clinton of committing perjury after only one witness claimed he did so and saying that Clinton lied when he said he did not have sexual relations with Lewinsky in terms described by Paula Jones' attorneys.[9] Two of the three parts of the definition of "sexual relations" described by Jones' attorneys during her lawsuit had been ruled out by presiding Judge Susan Webber Wright as "too broad" and legally unacceptable.[9]
Regardless, your 'own source,
'Technically not lying, 'maybe.
I have made posts in past on this website, 'also defending Trump,
On 'technical arguments,
Or against 'assumptions.
Law, Court, and Lawyers, sneaks that way,
But way it is.
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@Lemming
Did Clinton lie under oath and obstruct justice?
I saw it on videotape
Cone on dude
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@Vegasgiants
Court/Law is full of 'technical truths.
Source?
(Just a note, when I ask for source, it is not to say you have no proof,
It is me asking for proof, that I can see same as you)
. . .
Regardless,
One could 'claim using 'your logic.
I imagine Putin uses evidence and justice system 'while people in office,
Does this mean 'we should not pursue law while people in office?
No,
No, I say.
Other countries corruption, is not ours.
It was brought to light,
Brought to government, discussion,
Voted on.
This is good of Clinton's circumstance.
'I don't think it was egregious or technical enough to be reason for removing Clinton from office,
But it is good our country follows law (Generally speaking)
Trump case should also be brought to light,
Brought to law, discussion,
Voted on.
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@Lemming
Clinton got a massive sweetheart deal for 11 felonies that we would never get. That report should have been referred to the doj.
It makes Trumps case look.like political retribution
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@Vegasgiants
Trumps case looks worse to me,
Boxes of secret documents not supposed to be taken,
Not supposed to lie and refuse to return them.
To me 'looks like Trump 'was trying to cheat election system in last election.
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Superiors and just humans,
Often get exceptions in life.
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Reason I say 'generally follow the law exact.
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Sometimes it is good to practice personal judgement,
Not be robot, following 'word of law.
'Spirit of law, can be good too.
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@Lemming
There is no reason not to offer trump the presidential sweetheart deal too and let him off with a fine
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@Vegasgiants
He had opportunity to give back the boxes of secret documents.
2nd Impeachment he got off.
"resulting in Trump being acquitted of the charges on February 13, 2021"
'Maybe this law action regarding boxes, he also get off,
Maybe some plea deal,
Admits faults,
Slap on wrist.
But 'should be some accountability,
Some 'look, consideration, of his actions, is my view.
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@Lemming
Clinton had an opportunity to tell the truth but then he lied under oath
And then got the presidential sweetheart deal
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@Vegasgiants
(Shrug)
Most humans liars,
Trump 'more so than most.
Many presidents liars,
Just way of 'leaders, politics, nations,
Though source more about honesty of individuals,
World is war, deception, rivalry,
. . Also peace, truth, cooperation, but many times people less than truthful with allies and rivals,
Maneuver to advantage.
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Under 'oath,
A point,
But as I said, 'technical truth.
'Real truth, in spirit of what is meant as truth,
'Better maybe.
Something Americans should encourage their leaders speak to them,
Is my view.
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@Lemming
Yeah it's true.
Clinton lied under oath
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@ponikshiy
Trump made many statements in 2016 about how people who mishandled classified documents should go to prison. It seems like he would disagree with not going after him.
He didn’t “mishandle” any documents, and it’s utterly debatable.
However, Clinton and Biden and Pence sure as shit did.
The Dept of Justice already respects this rule and generally holds off from any high profile charges or investigations or trials for about three months before the general election- shorter for state and local. This is a reasonable accomodation of your concerns. What is not reasonable is holding off on criminal investigations just because a candidate has declared he's running in election years down the road. Trump declared two years early precisely because he hoped it would forestall some of tghe many, many, many indictments coming at him from at least five or six jurisdictions. What we can't allow is obvious, braggart criminals like Trump objectively abusing election law to pervert the justice system. I think its fine if any ongoing trials, etc are postponed between the convention and the election if the candidate wins the nomination. Otherwise, we are just encouraging more criminals to run for office.
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@oromagi
Putin uses similar logic to jail his opponents
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@Vegasgiants
Hmm, They opened an investigation on Hillary mere weeks before the 2016 election
I dont hear screeches of election interference from you there
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@Bill-0
Then listen up. That was an investigation....not a criminal indictment
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@Vegasgiants
Doesn't make much of a difference, They both most likely will effect election results, but its at the fault of the one running for president
They should indict him when they feel they have the evidence to do so, And if you read the indictment you will see very clearly that they did in fact have that evidence
Therefore, just because he is running to become president, that doesn't give him immunity to the charges for any amount of time
And if they decided to indict Hillary, but waited until early 2017 to do so, you all would be angry about how they waited to help her in the election.
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@Bill-0
They could not jail Hillary before the election because they wouldn't have had the time
They can jail.trump right after he gets the nomination
It's a putin move
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@Vegasgiants
Firstly, It is not a Putin move whatsoever, due to the fact that its a investigation being done by the DOJ
Putin jails people for no reason whatsoever, And if trump was jailed there would be a clear cut reason as to why
Plus, nothing could even convince you that trump did anything wrong, If he gets arrested, you'll claim that Biden is a vicious dictator that jails his opponents, and if he doesn't get jailed, you will all say that there was no evidence to indict him in the first place
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@Bill-0
Putin uses the criminal justice system too. They all get charges and lawyers and trials.
I think Trump is likely guilty. That does not mean he should not get a continuance to hold his trials after the election. What possible difference can 18 months make?
But if he wins then the people have spoken
By the way I'll be voting for biden....again
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@oromagi
Obama too is a criminal. A war criminal 😀
Its just that being a war criminal is legal if you are president of USA.
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@Vegasgiants
Okay, My apologies for assuming many of your political positions
I see where you are coming from, But i think if you applied that across the board, one could abuse that and continuously run for election to avoid minor criminal charges
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@Bill-0
No worries. I think presidential elections are special. I think this would likely be rare and we already have a history of doing it.
We need to preserve even the appearance of free and fair elections as the leading democracy on the planet
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@Vegasgiants
Yeah, your probably right
I dont think trump could beat biden in jail or not though lol
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@Vegasgiants
as the leading democracy on the planet
Planet thanks you for all the war crimes you committed.
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@Best.Korea
You're welcome
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@Vegasgiants
I am glad that I am welcome. Iraq is glad too. Children thank the US military for bombing them.