Taiwan is china

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There is no American ambassador or embassy in Taiwan.  The UN and most of the world does not recognize Taiwan. 

Taiwan is officially China 
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even if that were true that it's part of china, sometimes the only real option for survival is to deny all terms and conditions. to my understanding, china taking it over, would cause a massive shift in power between china the usa and the rest of the world. it would be the rise of china and the decline of the usa. 
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That is inevitable anyway
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maybe, but we gotta try anyway, gotta try to stay dominant 
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The CCP is doing well because they are building things. The USA is doing poorly because it is not building things.

Who or what the US recognizes has little effect on that fact
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We can't change the demographics.  When China gets a true middle class then they will be the dominant power

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That's a canned analysis from Keynesians. Population and classes don't mean anything.

Production is accomplished by machinery. "The means of production", it's the only thing the Marxists got right.

The age of bulk labor is long in the past.

The USSR won WW2 by fighting like the Germans not hoards of under equipped infantry. The CCP is pulling ahead by building factories and mass-scale resource mining, not hoards of workers (regardless of class).

We are not end state, robotics can and will reach a point where the only thing that determines economic output is energy and raw materials. In that case the nation state with the most willingness to exploit its territory * it's resources wins.
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China has over a billion people and is growing their economy rapidly.  Once they all start wanting cars and flat screens it's over

We will never be able to match their GDP 
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We will never be able to match their GDP 
Does it matter so long as everyone has enough big screen TVs and cars?

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Dude as their economy grows their wages grow.....so does state tax revenues 


It's all about GDP 
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The CCP is doing well because they are building things. 
You don't go on Gore sites do you? 

I sometimes masturbate to suffering humans. 

Every other video on Gore sites is of some Chinese person dying because what they build is dangerous. 
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Taiwan "is" not China, Taiwan is a part of China.
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A difference without meaning
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You don't go on Gore sites do you? 

I sometimes masturbate to suffering humans. 

Every other video on Gore sites is of some Chinese person dying because what they build is dangerous.
If so, then whoever uploaded them should probably be arrested. Suffering people is not a joke.

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Taiwan has it's own president,
China does not control it yet,
Though they are 'still attempting such.
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A president that no country recognizes as president 
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"As of April 2022, 13 countries and Vatican City/Holy See have recognized Taiwan as a sovereign country"

Country is vague subjective word,
Different people, different thresholds,
Different laws, different thresholds.
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Oooooh 13.  Only about 150 to go.  Lol

The Vatican can send the Swiss guard to protect them.  Lol
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Dude as their economy grows their wages grow.....so does state tax revenues 
The economy (in real terms) grows when people produce useful things or provide useful services.


It's all about GDP 
I'm saying the company is doing well because the new auto-mill is very efficient with each log, and you're saying "no it's all about the volume of lumber".

Yes, it's all about the volume of lumber and the volume of lumber is growing because of the auto-mill.

GDP as a proxy is subject to conceptual mutilation and deceptive statistics (inflation for one).

"Building things" is the heart of the matter. Through the damn lies (statistics) of manipulated currencies and fad companies (silicon valley) people in USA have convinced themselves that building things isn't really necessary for a good quality of life. Then they swallow this bullshit about China's rise being inevitable, somehow overlooking the fact that they not only make everything they use, but they also make everything we use.

Let's see how it works out.
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China is rapidly growing.  Over a billion people 


That can't be denied
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You don't go on Gore sites do you? 
You know, I almost forgot to. I need to checkback on the doomsday clock.

My god it was seven years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssEJdAfbwjI




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When American Revolution happened,
Britain maybe not see America as it's own country,

Lafayette saw a country in America, 1777,
Though France not recognize America until 1778.

America not win Revolution until  1781 Yorktown.

Britain not recognize America until 1783.


Taiwan makes it's own laws,
Has own president, own military.

China 'dares not invade yet,
Instead 'sneaks, 'bullies.
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Uh .....that's interesting.   But officially Taiwan is china
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'Official, subjective.

What Taiwanese 'Official 'Documents say?
What 'laws followed in Taiwan, Chinese, or Taiwanese?
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Officially when we recognize a country they get a embassy and a ambassador 


Deny that
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As when I gave examples of America Revolution,
'Official, subjective.
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A exampke that is not relevant today
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'Always relevant.

Why America not consider Taiwan country?
Fear, cowardly of China on the question.

If Taiwan stronger,
As America stronger after winning Revolution,
America not fear China so much.

New countries appear all the time,
Revolutions, all the time.

Relevant because part of when a countries officials and laws recognize country,
Part of why is fear.

I not say fear or cowardly is bad.
I afraid of grizzley bear, should I meet one in forest.

'Natural America afraid of war,
Or afraid of economic backlash,
People can get hurt by such.
. . . . .

'Still though,
Whether Taiwan be own country or not, 'Subjective.

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That's nice


But Taiwan is officially china
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....and China is Taiwan.  There's no question they are one people who wish to live as one nation.  The question that must be resolved  is whether or not all Chinese deserve to live in freedom and equality or whether all Chinese people must be forced to kow-tow to yet another dictator-for-life  I have no doubt that most mainlanders would prefer to live as free as Taiwan and most Taiwanese would be happy to be reunited if only they could keep their freedoms.