Are the Nephilim giants, fallen angels, or human/angel hybrids?

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@Castin

How can we glean an accurate or precise understanding of these passages from such ambiguity?

That isn't the Jewish SOP -- we embrace and remember a variety of meanings, even contradictory ones.

Wait, scratch that -- I'm wrong.

Not exactly.If you look up the link to the book of Enoch, you will see that its contents (and canonicity) are not accepted in Jewish tradition so its stories can be said to reflect the Christian, not Jewish tradition.

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I agree with anyone here who hold to the fact that the Bible does not say that Demons " fallen angels " were taking on a form of humanity and having relations with the daughters of mankind. But i would like to hear what others have to say about it. - This is what I believe.

These scriptural passages making this claim are found in Apocrypha Books that are also so filled with errors

It is mainly Trinitarians who teach this doctrine usually quoting from the Book of Job - quoting -= Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. REMEMBER the phrases = Morningstar, Son of the morning And Rising in the morning. ?

In the Bible, the three terms and many, many, many " MORNING STAR " and " son of the morning “ and “ rising in the morning " and " MORNING STAGE TERMS " are simply the SYMBOLIC allegoric meaning of the character and denotation and the illustration of the symbolic meaning. Meaning = To own or to control or dominate the early morning dawn of a history timeline or time - frame " context " - or to have dominion at the beginning or start or originate or " be born " in the onset of a beginning time. The dawn has a symbolic meaning of the first appearance of light in the sky before sunrise. "the new pink rose light of dawn" daybreak, sunrise, first light, daylight;

The meaning also means To begin, break, arrive, emerge or come into existence. "A new era or the beginning of a phenomenon or period of time, especially one considered favorable, dominating, controlling or first or primary control .... MORNING STAR " or " son of the morning Means The Origins of a primary, early or firstly originating place or eXistance. Having, obtaining owning and or eXisting as { BEING } “ The morning star “ or being “The a son of the morning “ or “ rising in the morning " simply means to eXist at the beginning of a period or to possess a possession of rightfulness as of that at the first or original right of power. We see this is the eXact meaning in other verse where these “ MORNING “ eXpressive phrases are used..

There are many hundreds of these eXact type of symbolic words that define momentous events and periods of time that are called " THE MORNING. " As - - The DAWNING OF THE AGE. These type of " MORNING " symbolic terms. are .... " 1. rising in the morning " - 2. morning star- " - and - " - 3. son of the morning.

Many other denominational Translators have literally stamped this idea - that fallen angels are literally The Sons of God directly into their teachings - as they take Hebrew code words such as the word for Giant meaning " Nephʹi·lim " and drag it into an English Translation, The word Nephʹi·lim is a TITLE or a NAME that many have associated this very idea that Demons were mating with women,. The Jehovah Witness Translators use the Hebrew word Nephʹi·lim - in their Translation in Gen_6:4 4 = The Nephʹi·lim* were on the earth in those days also here in Num 13:33 = And there we saw the Nephʹi·lim, the sons of Aʹnak. This is why translators

Also, Origen was a major Roman Catholic Father of Trinitarian theology who also taught that the angels fell and became human and that men and demons both can again become angels. Origen was the first Christian to speak of three “hypostases” in the Trinity.

Also Roman Catholic Trinitarians such as (St. Clement of Alexandria, St. Ambrose of Milan also taught that - The giants were born from angels uniting to mortal women. Other Trinitarian Fathers who invented and molded this teaching were Catholic Trinitarian Fathers such as - Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Athenagoras, and Commodianus. Also, the Roman Catholic Father = Julius Africanus was another Church Father who taught this. Also In various copies of the Septuagint, the word "angels" is substituted for the " SONS OF GOD " found in the book of Job - this is found in such manuscripts of " Codex Alexandrinus "

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@Stephen

Yet there own scriptures make it clear:

"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth", Isaiah 40:22

Flat-earthers believe the world is a circle. A really big circle.

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@Castin

Angels ? how utterly IDIOTIC....like something out of a kindergarten Comic Book....

It's truly amazing how STUPID...really STUPID....that so many humans (90 %)

are nothing more than hypnotized puppet clowns of MEDIA-GOVERNMENT

and RELIGIOUS psychopaths....who are obsessed with POWER and CONTROL

Trump fights to reduce TAXES and after 2 years in office the Democrats are

pushing for 70 % ++ tax rates..whatever is DONE is undone ! it's all a Game

of Thrones for the entertainment of the FEW...who control the masses through

FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...

It is so obvious that the present day HUMAN LIFE FORM is the product of genetic

engineering...just like humans have done with DOG and CAT BREEDS...

The greatest scam humans invented is the "GOD" garbage....with hundreds/thousands

of idiotic GODS and "DIVINE BEINGS that were invented-to exploited-then trash

the weak minded human into servitude and slavery of clever mind and life destroying

human Parasite Vampire that plays GOD.....

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@WisdomofAges

Angels ?

Simply means messenger.

The greatest scam humans invented is the "GOD" garbage.

I think the scam lies in religion and not so called "gods".

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My husband has always believed that Christ and Lucifer both being referred to as Morning Star meant Lucifer was to be Christ's angel. He should have been the one to announce him and approach Mary. His refusal to do that was the rejection of God's will. So those angels left heaven or were cast out. There are demons who represent great concepts and noble ventures. They are only evil in that they no longer work to god's will. Solomon was given seals to call and use demons and angels as he saw fit. I always assumed the Nephilim were angels who after the fall helped humans as they were there at gods wish. They were just not allowed to mate with humans.. Of course that may be why David later killed a giant. God's will over the beasts of Earth so to speak.

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I have been debating this subject with many great Christians for a number of years. There are so many intelligent and passionate Christians to continue to believe this.

I have found that Trinitarian Christians are the main group who believe that FALLEN ANGELS are called SONS OF GOD in the bible.

But those who make this claim, as being represented in the bible clearly and eternally FAIL to provide even a single verse in theentire OLD TESTAMENT that mentions anything whatsoever about - " FALLEN ANGELS "

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. There is not a single verse anywhere in the entire Old Testament that even hints to your narrative that angels fell from heaven before YAHOSHUA CAME TO EARTH.

It was Yahoshua himself, Here on earth - that witnessed - SATAN FALLING FROM HEAVEN.

Luk 10:18 And YAHOSHUA said unto them, " I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven "

When we go to the book of Revelation - we see that it is AFTER Yahoshua came to earth - THEN AND ONLY THEN - are the Angels being cast out and " FALLING FROM HEAVEN. "

In the ENTIRE - Old Testament - Satan and Spiritual being / ANGELShave left his first estate, And LEFT His OWN HABITATION in heaven and has chosen to come to earth and he is an adversary { a judge } to the man, That God has created.

As we see throughout the Old Testament that Satan and specific Angels are allowed by God to test individuals here on earth.As we see with Adam and Eve in the Garden

The Angels and SATAN were never FALLEN or THROWN DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. They left heaven and left their own habitation, Departing of their own free will.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

We also see the fact that - - THE HEBREW WORD FALLEN - HAS A SIMILAR PRONUNCIATION OR SOUNDS SIMILAR TO THE HEBREW WORD GIANT. This has nothing to do with angels. BECAUSE THE ANGELS DID NOT EVEN FALL OR BECOME THROWN DOWN TO EARTH UNTIL THE NEW TESTAMENT.

THIS IS A FACT. So the entire narrative has no meaning in the Bible = NEVER WILL A SINGLE VERSE IN THE ENTIRE BIBLE BE PROVIDED - TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO CONFIRM THIS UNTRUTHFULDECEPTIVE FALSEHOOD.

SO WE SEE - there is a difference between the Hebrew word " FALL " and the word" GIANT "

GIANT - - Nephyl - NEPHIL = NEPH EEL or ILL.

FALLEN - Naphal - NAPHAAL = NAPH AAL or ALL

The reason that the words " GIANTS and the idea of FALLING " are so closely similar in sounding the same - is because when the giant was defeated their - FALLING DOWN - was so enormous and important to the part of defeating them". . It was obviously the fact that giants were mutants and had birth defects, Extra fingers and toes and enormous body parts. They were enormously disproportionally MIS SHAPED and ONCE THEY FELL DOWN - they could not get back up very quickly and ONCE FALLEN - the giant was able then to be defeated.

Giants are strong, They have the power to wield larger weapons and the strength to overpower smaller men, But they have weaknesses in their bones and cartilage in their back, Hips, Legs and feet asthey take on an enormous amount of weight. Once a giant has been injured in the lower body, They become slow and weaker and when they fall,They are rendered vulnerable as it takes them longer to get back on their feet. THE MAIN GOAL WAS TO FALL THE GIANT.

The bible makes this distinction of in the way that David was able to defeat the giants in his day.

2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, And FELL by the hand of David, And by the hand of his servants.

1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath, and they FELL by the hand of David, And by the hand of his servants.

This is exactly how King David killed his first giant, He launched a stone into his head, The giant fell down stunned and dazed and David simply grabbed a sword and hacked his huge head off.

So when we correctly translate Gen 6:4

WE READ - :4 GIANTS - WERE IN THE LAND THE DAY OFTHIS AND ALSO AFTER SO WHICH CAME SONS OF GOD TO DAUGHTERS OF MAN BEARING THEM THAT MIGHTY MEN WHICH ALWAYS OF OLD WERE NAMED.

This Hebrew word " AFTER " is - 'achar/ akh-ar' - Meaning = " AFTER THIS or Following that " i

This word is used 715 times in the Bible and always means = " AFTER THIS - AFTER THAT or Following afterwards = "AFTERWARDS " - NEXT TO HAPPEN. .

I CAN PROVE THIS FACT. AND I can prove that the Angels DID NOT FALL TO EARTH FROM HEAVEN UNTIL

If the giants were already in the earth in those days and / also " AFTER THIS - AFTER THAT or Following afterwards = "AFTERWARDS " - NEXT TO HAPPEN. .

Which came the sons of God to daughters of men, THEIR OFFSPRING BECAME MIGHTY MEN WHOSE NAMES WERE ALWAYS MENTIONED / NAMED.

The GIANTS WERE ALREADY IN THE LAND - The verse does not say the opposite or reversal,

The verse does is not saying the opposite or reversal, To be saying that " WHEN THE SONS OF GOD CAME IN UNTO THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN AND ALSO AFTER THAT " THEN AFTER THAT " - THERE WERE GIANTS IN THE EARTH.

It says " There were giants in the earth in those days, And also after that " THEN after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men " - the mighty men were born.

their union or offspring - created mighty men which from always men named.

They became known to be called as mighty men because they faced the PROBLEM concerning the subject LISTED -BEING - the sons of God - were faced with the problem of dealing with and FALLING THE GIANTS AND KILLING THEM.

The fact that the Angels had never fallen from heaven until the New Testament age = proves beyond any doubt that this claim is completely false.

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