MSNBC boldly screams the quiet part out loud in the age of MAGA.

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This election will be another case of "do you like trump?"
I don't think so. Biden has given a lot of people reasons to hate him.

-Multiple broken promises especially regarding student debt
-Afghanistan
-Spiking the rail strikers
-Immigration apathy
-and now weaponizing the DOJ

It's very likely Trump will get a good portion of the Biden haters.

Biden can't just hang out and chill in his basement this time around and expect to win.
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These are probably fake, since Americans literally voted in Trump to undo what Obama did. Plus, Obama supported Hillary. She lost.
Approval is kinda shaky. You can hate a guy and like his policies and vice versa.
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I don't think so. Biden has given a lot of people reasons to hate him.
no. not really. People don't love him by any means. They wish they had another candidate. But they don't hate him like they did hilary. And certainly not like they hate trump. 

-Multiple broken promises especially regarding student debt
true. But those paying attention will know that these were blocked by the republicans, the courts (which were stacked by the republicans) or by Manchin. For those not paying attention, it's really no different than any other politician. 

-Afghanistan
you mean the withdrawal that was negotiated and organized by trump's administrations? and let's face it, that is not something that most people care about. 

-Spiking the rail strikers
I agree that is bad. But Biden is, overall, pro union. so if you care about unions then biden is a much better candidate than trump. 

-Immigration apathy
The kind of person that this is the deciding factor was never going to vote for the democrats anyway. But Biden has continued most of Trump's policies on imigration anyway. So it's pretty silly to say "apathy". 

-and now weaponizing the DOJ
lol, biden doesn't have anything to do with trump being investigated for his crimes. 

It's very likely Trump will get a good portion of the Biden haters.
I think you have it backwards. The people who will hate biden for these things, are people who already hated the democrats and/or loved trump. None of those things you mentioned really change anything. It still comes down to "do you want trump to be president". And Trump is hated. Trump will lose to a bag of potatoes. 

Biden can't just hang out and chill in his basement this time around and expect to win.
sadly, he really can. 
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Welcome back HB :)
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 if you care about unions then Biden is a much better candidate than trump. 
Maybe, but that's still pretty sad. It's the corrupt AFL leadership that is preventing an actual pro union president from getting a chance.

Unions actually did better under the Mafia because the workers knew the game. Now it's a bunch of lies.

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Maybe, but that's still pretty sad. It's the corrupt AFL leadership that is preventing an actual pro union president from getting a chance.
I mean, at this point it is pretty clear that the democrats are not going to allow an actual primary. Better to endorse the inevitable winner of both the primary and election than to refuse to and accomplish nothing. 
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It's not the Democrats not allowing it, it's the corporate lobbies flexing their muscle. How do you even begin to fight that.

Appeasement is definitely not working.
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It's not the Democrats not allowing it, it's the corporate lobbies flexing their muscle. How do you even begin to fight that.
I don't think that's true. Corporate lobbies think he isn't business friendly enough. They want an even bigger corporate sellout. They would be happy to dump him and get someone like joe manchin as president. 

Appeasement is definitely not working.
agreed. I would very much like to see biden face a real primary. But he is still WAY better than trump. 
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They want an even bigger corporate sellout...
Trillions of dollars in corporate welfare is not enough? Color me surprised.
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Trillions of dollars in corporate welfare is not enough? Color me surprised.
agreed. One of the few things both parties agree on is raining as much money as possible on the rich and corporations. And no matter how much they do, it is never enough. 

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If they dont want Trump to run for president, that just means they know he will win if he does.

Americans cannot see propaganda if it pees on them.

They are attacking him to make him look like victim. Americans love an underdog. This attack will make him more popular with the Republicans and help him win in the primaries. Given how unpopular Biden is, facing Trump is the goal. 

If they were not prosecuting him the media would lose interest and so would you. Then somebody more likely to win, will get more media and more voters
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If Trump beats Biden, then such strategy is a bit questionable.
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If Trump stands 44% chance to win and wins vs if DeSantis stands 60% chance and loses, doesn't mean bad choice made. Just like if a gambling addict spends whole paycheck on lottery tickets. Him winning does not mean good decision was made, but I will marry him and bleed him dry none the less.