Morality in of Itself.

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Title: The Problem of Evil: A Compelling Argument Against the Existence of a Benevolent God

Introduction
Throughout the course of human history, philosophers and theologians alike have grappled with the seemingly incompatible coexistence of evil and a benevolent God. This paradox, commonly known as the Problem of Evil, raises significant concerns regarding the existence of an all-powerful and perfectly good deity. In this essay, I will argue that the Problem of Evil convincingly disproves the idea of a benevolent God, as it highlights the inherent contradictions within traditional religious beliefs.

Defining the Problem
At its core, the Problem of Evil revolves around the existence of evil and suffering in a world governed by a supposedly good and all-powerful God. It poses deep and complex questions, such as: If God is truly benevolent, why does He allow evil? If He possesses unlimited power, why does He not prevent it? And if He is all-knowing, why did He create a world where suffering persists?

Logical Inconsistencies
The existence of evil and suffering serves as a direct contradiction to the notion of an all-good God. A benevolent deity would not idly stand by, watching as innocent people endure immense pain, violence, or tragedy. The religious argument that God is not directly responsible for evil, rather it is a consequence of human free will, does not absolve Him of responsibility. If God possesses omniscience, He would have foreseen the consequences of creating beings with free will and should have anticipated the immense evil and suffering that would arise as a result. Thus, the claim that evil is the product of human choice diminishes the extent of God’s power or benevolence.

The Magnitude of Evil
Evil is not limited solely to human actions. Natural disasters, diseases, and other forms of suffering afflict innocent beings who bear no responsibility for their afflictions. If an all-powerful deity exists, He would have the capacity to prevent or minimize such natural evils. The sheer scale of suffering and harm in the world, whether caused by humans or nature, undermines the notion that a supremely good and powerful God could coexist with such atrocities.

The Problem of Animal Suffering
The Problem of Evil becomes even more pronounced when considering the immense suffering experienced by animals in the natural world. Various species endure excruciating pain, starvation, predation, and other forms of anguish for reasons beyond human actions. The indiscriminate nature of this suffering raises profound questions about the purpose and compassion of a creator, further disproving the notion of a benevolent God.

Alternative Explanations
The Problem of Evil gains further strength when considering alternative explanations for the existence of evil, such as the absence of God, the inherently flawed nature of the material world, or an indifferent deity. Atheists argue that evil can be best understood in the absence of theistic beliefs, attributing it to human actions and the natural forces of the world—without the need for a divine overseer to explain and justify it. The existence of evil does not necessitate the assumption of a benevolent and all-powerful deity, but can be encompassed within the framework of natural causation and human agency.

Implications and Conclusion
The Problem of Evil presents significant challenges for those who adhere to traditional religious beliefs centered around a benevolent God. The logical inconsistencies, the magnitude of evil, the problem of animal suffering, and the availability of alternative explanations all combine to cast doubt on the existence of such a deity. The concept of a good God is incompatible with the rampant evil and suffering witnessed in the world, significantly undermining the arguments and claims presented in support of a benevolent higher power. It is through critical examination and reflection on the Problem of Evil that one can confront these contradictions and seek alternative explanations that are more consistent with observable reality.

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I believe some definitions are necessary to be less definitive to capture the complexity of an idea.
Well if an idea is so complex that it can’t be understood perhaps the idea itself is inaccurate.
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You asked about my morality. I told you about it.
I asked about morality in general, not solely in reference to you, but you’ve already made it clear that you’re a narcissist.
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If a car was about to hit a person, I wouldnt try to step in to save the person because it risks me being hit. I also would never donate a kidney to save someone. I never even donated blood. If I saw a person being beaten by someone, I wouldnt step in to help.

Do you need more examples or is this enough?
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If a car was about to hit a person, I wouldnt try to step in to save the person because it risks me being hit.
Why do you value your life so much if there’s nothing to give it inherent value? Unless you believe there’s something waiting for you on the other side 🤔 
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I asked about morality in general, not solely in reference to you, but you’ve already made it clear that you’re a narcissist.
There is:

1. My morality
2. Morality of other people.

If you ask about morality of other people, you should probably ask those other people. I dont see why you ask me about someone else's morality that I dont hold. What do I have to do with them for you to ask me about it?

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Why do you value your life so much if there’s nothing to give it inherent value? Unless you believe there’s something waiting for you on the other side
I dont value my life. I value my comfort much. I value lack of pain. And yes, Slifer is waiting.

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If you ask about morality of other people, you should probably ask those other people. I dont see why you ask me about someone else's morality that I dont hold.
Morality is the same regardless of who you are, if it had that many faces to it like you claim then it would be impossible to interpret.

I dont value my life. I value my comfort much. I value lack of pain.
Well pain comes with old age, will you be committing suicide by then?
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Morality is the same regardless of who you are
No. Thats just your assumption. A poor assumption at best. Different people means different morality. I dont see whats hard. Is it too big word?

 if it had that many faces to it like you claim then it would be impossible to interpret
I find it quite much very easy to interpret. You didnt know that people can have different opinions? Well, I am glad I could teach you something.

Well pain comes with old age, will you be committing suicide by then?
I hope to get heart attack or cancer. I am not sure which one is better. Which one do you recommend as a choice?
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Morality is the same regardless of who you are

I asked about morality in general, not solely in reference to you

Is morality same for all or not same? Make up your mind, will you.
If morality is same for all, then my morality is same  as general morality, and same as yours.
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@Tarik
I believe some definitions are necessary to be less definitive to capture the complexity of an idea.
Well, if an idea is so complex that it can’t be understood perhaps the idea itself is inaccurate.
Perhaps that's why the definition of God is "is." There could be no further explanation. It was a necessary ambiguity in order to fully capture the meaning of God meaning to be without any constraint. However, if a word is able to capture something as vague as no definition at all such as "is," then I think it's reasonable that anything lesser in complexity to God would be definable. In essence, I believe everything is able to be captured within words, but the further we evolve our language the more precisely we can explain these complexities.
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You didnt know that people can have different opinions?
People having different opinions has nothing to do with the nature of morality, in order for any meaning or argument to make sense it must remain consistent, that’s how coherent logic works my friend 😉 

I hope to get heart attack or cancer.
Both can be pretty painful 

I value lack of pain.
In the words of you

Make up your mind, will you.

If morality is same for all, then my morality is same  as general morality, and same as yours.
And if morality is same for all then there would be no need to preface morality by saying “my” which you did not me.
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Perhaps that's why the definition of God is "is."
I don’t recall reading that definition of God until reading it from you.
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I often know a lot more about a topic than I say because it's not useful to just state everything at once. Instead, I only explain what is necessary at the moment.

My explanation for the definition of God is from the Hebrew name that translates to English as "is," which means "to be." Ultimately, the definition captures that God exists and nothing more. It has no constraints or clarification whatsoever, leaving God to be an open-ended concept. I was using this example to show that language is able to capture concepts through the implementation of ambiguity that was demonstrated here.
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I was using this example to show that language is able to capture concepts through the implementation of ambiguity that was demonstrated here.
Well perhaps you should use another, because most people I know have reached consensus on what the idea of God is and it isn’t as open-ended as you’re making it out to be, that includes atheists.
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I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God. I was referring specifically to the Hebrew Bible, which is closer related to the original Christian texts than many of the others today, which is why I believe it to be a more primary source of reliable information. I'm also familiar with how God speaks to Moses through the burning bush telling him "I am that I am," another example of ambiguity that is necessary to capture the full complexity accurately, yet not concisely.
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I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God.
Why not?
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People having different opinions has nothing to do with the nature of morality, in order for any meaning or argument to make sense it must remain consistent, that’s how coherent logic works my friend
Looks like you dont know what is morality. Morality is not based on logic, you assume. Morality is based on person's set of values. Each individual has own different set of values. I dont see whats so hard to understand. You dont know what the word consistent means. It doesnt mean "everyone holding same moral value". People obviously have different moral values in life. So by your logic, morality doesnt even exist.

And if morality is same for all then there would be no need to preface morality by saying “my” which you did not me
Thanks for conceding that morality is not same for all. That was my point from the start of this show.
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I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God because cultural values are always fluctuating, and I believe that God is the way to live life properly, which I believe is not determined solely by cultural values such as hedonism but has a more fundamental concept that is consistent.
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Morality is not based on logic, you assume. Morality is based on person's set of values.
If it’s not based on logic then how does one go about answering the reason as to why they have said “values”?

Thanks for conceding that morality is not same for all.
I did no such thing, please work on your reading comprehension skills.
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I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God because cultural values are always fluctuating, and I believe that God is the way to live life properly, which I believe is not determined solely by cultural values such as hedonism but has a more fundamental concept that is consistent.
Consistent huh? Yet you want to nitpick scriptures from The Bible with the sole purpose of trying to demonstrate its inconsistency, perhaps you should be more consistent.
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If it’s not based on logic then how does one go about answering the reason as to why they have said “values”?
In my case, I have said values because I feel pain and happiness. That is not logic, but pure feeling. So the values are based on a feeling.

I did no such thing, please work on your reading comprehension skills.
Learn how "if" works.
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That is not logic, but pure feeling. So the values are based on a feeling.
It’s logical to avoid a painful feeling in pursuit of a pleasant one.

Learn how "if" works.
I do know how it works, but clearly you don’t by misconstruing my words.
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It’s logical to avoid a painful feeling in pursuit of a pleasant one
So my morality is based on logic. Thanks for conceding to my side again. People really cant tell what traps are. You said morality is same for all. My pain is not same as another's. If forced to choose me or another, I would save myself as top priority. Will you contradict yourself again about this? You cant seem to decide whats logical.

I do know how it works, but clearly you don’t by misconstruing my words.
You obviously dont know how it works.
"If X true, then Y is true" means that if Y not being true, then X isnt true either you know. Logic is complicated, I made it simple. Now maybe you  will understand, probably not.
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So my morality is based on logic.
I never called you the owner of morality, get over yourself dude.

If X true, then Y is true" means that if Y not being true, then X isnt true either you know.
Where did I dispute this?
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According to Einsteinmorality is a purely natural and human creation - it's a part of being human, not a part of some supernatural realm.
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Morality based on the existence of god and the word of god is objective. Morality based on the whims of humanity is subjective, chaotic, arbitrary, inconsistent, political, subversive and tyrannical among other wildly preposterous affirmations. There can be no good if there is nothing to compare it to. IE bad or evil. All behavior is subjective and can not be condemned by anyone without being subjective and hypocritical. Who died and made you god so to speak.
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@Tarik
I don't believe that cultural norm is much of an indicator on the definition of God because cultural values are always fluctuating, and I believe that God is the way to live life properly, which I believe is not determined solely by cultural values such as hedonism but has a more fundamental concept that is consistent.
Consistent huh? Yet you want to nitpick scriptures from The Bible with the sole purpose of trying to demonstrate its inconsistency, perhaps you should be more consistent.
I apologize if I confused you, but I do not recall ever claiming the Bible is inconsistent. I'm merely trying to express my thoughts so that you can take them with a grain of salt and perhaps in combination with your knowledge learn something that neither one of us could have independently. I'm only here to be mutually productive. If you ever feel uncomfortable with my ideas then please let me know and I will refrain from sharing my thoughts with you, but I hope that doesn't happen. I enjoy most of our conversations.
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I apologize if I confused you, but I do not recall ever claiming the Bible is inconsistent.
Do you recall claiming this?

I noticed several points in the Bible where men make commit murder, and one is considered honorable and the other a horrific error, yet they killed the person in the exact same manner it just depended on who and why.
Or this?

For instance, it may be morally correct for one person to enter the Tabernacle such as the high priest where another individual is not allowed to enter the Tabernacle otherwise, they will be stricken dead by God himself.
What was the purpose of you mentioning this if not to claim inconsistency?
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I see what you are referring to, though I don't consider this an inconsistency but a pattern that is shown throughout the Bible. Typically, when someone notices a pattern, it is considered a consistency even if it in itself is varying.