Which states have the highest gun death rates in the U.S.? Red States of course

Author: IwantRooseveltagain

Posts

Total: 234
#211
Double_R
Double_R's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 5,356
3
2
5
Double_R's avatar
Double_R
3
2
5
-->
@Stephen
I have seen quite a few Transsexual and their supporters carrying out aggressive attacks and assaults and I gave a few examples above. Would you like more? 
No. I can show you anecdotal examples to prove any point I want, including conflicting ones. That's why they do not qualify as evidence.

do you really think it needs to be pointed out that shooting bud light cans and shooting school children are not the same thing?

No, but it appears that you did. As did Ludo.
Right. So me asking you what your point is = me needing your asinine comparison pointed out. Ok bro...
#212
Stephen
Stephen's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 8,647
3
2
2
Stephen's avatar
Stephen
3
2
2
-->
@Double_R






The subject in question is Transsexuals(LGBTQ) and aggression. ludofl3x seemed to be of belief that Transsexuals are a peaceful lot and just want "their rights" and are attacked every day. I have seen quite a few Transsexual and their supporters carrying out aggressive attacks and assaults and I gave a few examples above.
No. I can show you anecdotal examples to prove any point I want, including conflicting ones. That's why they do not qualify as evidence.

Well that is a matter of opinion. Clips of a young female swimmer being abused and assaulted locked in a cupboard for three hours and held to ransom is very clear evidence. Or was it all staged for camera?



do you really think it needs to be pointed out that shooting bud light cans and shooting school children are not the same thing?

No, but it appears that you did. As did Ludo.
Right. So me asking you what your point is = me needing your asinine comparison pointed out. Ok bro...
I gave you my point. I don't give two fks weather or not you see it as a valid point. And you ain't my fkn "BRO" and I don't want you to be.


asinine comparison
Is all I have written is that I haven't seen any evidence of transsexuals being attacked or assaulted by a mob. You are welcome to correct me with some visible proof.


meanwhile here's another of your protected species being tolerant and peaceful.

Kelly Jay (Posey Parker) attacked by Transsexual in New Zealand.

" 'They turn to violence because silencing didn't worked'"



And you chose to ignore this;


ludofl3x claims and believes that shooting Bud beer cans in protest at the company that promotes their beer is " EQUALLY" guilty of violence. 

Here>>
ludofl3x wrote: "But shooting it [beer cans] with an AR15 seems at least EQUALLY guilty of the dreaded 'virtue signaling', with an extra helping of violence, I just don't understand it.#131
^^^^ that is a poor scrape of the barrel in defence of transsexuals and "their rights", what ever the fk they are?

 So you see gunning down innocent children is not "equally" the same nor is it "equally" as violent as shooting at cans of fkn beer, is it you clown. Or do you disagree?

 Can you tell me what these "rights " are? 

#213
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 363
Posts: 11,017
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
Guns are at the center of self-defense ideology.

By this ideology, an individual has a right to do anything to protect his own life.

Having a gun is better for self-defense.

If guns are banned, what will you defend yourself with? A knife? That only works if other person isnt much stronger than you and is unarmed.

The guns make it easy to defend yourself against anyone. It is especially important for women, who are too weak to use a knife effectively.

I dont follow the self defense ideology, but one can understand its point about guns and how it also applies to the increase of life.
#214
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 363
Posts: 11,017
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
@Stephen

Trannies have already implemented their laws in Canada.

In Canada, misgendering means you go to prison.

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.

#215
hey-yo
hey-yo's avatar
Debates: 25
Posts: 382
1
2
4
hey-yo's avatar
hey-yo
1
2
4
-->
@ludofl3x
1  Suicide rates could be higher in other states.  Mental illnesss itself is something that a independent from gun ownership. We can develop more intricate and responsive measurements to mental health in general which would lower suicide rates more affective than any gun law. 


#216
hey-yo
hey-yo's avatar
Debates: 25
Posts: 382
1
2
4
hey-yo's avatar
hey-yo
1
2
4
-->
@Best.Korea
There are other means than a gun or knife to prevent harm or provide self defense. Some new ones are non leathal, providing a means to escape. 
#217
Platypi
Platypi's avatar
Debates: 1
Posts: 57
0
0
3
Platypi's avatar
Platypi
0
0
3
-->
@Greyparrot
@PREZ-HILTON
There are other means than a gun or knife to prevent harm or provide self defense. Some new ones are non lethal, providing a means to escape. 

This is a good point.   Most of self-defense is avoiding conflicts.  If you can't avoid it all together, the next best thing is to escape.  Eventually someone is going to come up with a less lethal option that works better for personal defense than a firearm.  That would be popular in urbanized areas and will undermine conventional fighting implements.  

In the long term your individualistic arguments aren't sustainable.  Eventually the constitution of the United States will cease to exist.  It is not insurmountable.

You should be thinking long and hard about how people will be trained in the future if you actually want the 2nd amendment to carry into the 22nd century.





#218
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,264
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@Platypi
Set phasers to stun :)
#219
Best.Korea
Best.Korea's avatar
Debates: 363
Posts: 11,017
4
6
10
Best.Korea's avatar
Best.Korea
4
6
10
-->
@hey-yo
@Platypi
Are you guys talking about tasers?

What is an option that is as good as a gun, that is currently available?
#220
TWS1405_2
TWS1405_2's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 2,186
3
3
7
TWS1405_2's avatar
TWS1405_2
3
3
7
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain


Best check those maps again, because it shows more blue states than red having the highest firearm mortality rates. 
#221
Stephen
Stephen's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 8,647
3
2
2
Stephen's avatar
Stephen
3
2
2
-->
@ludofl3x
@Best.Korea
Best.Korea, wrote: Trannies have already implemented their laws in Canada.

In Canada, misgendering means you go to prison.

If someone refused to use a preferred pronoun — and it was determined to constitute discrimination or harassment — could that potentially result in jail time?

It is possible, Brown says, through a process that would start with a complaint and progress to a proceeding before a human rights tribunal. If the tribunal rules that harassment or discrimination took place, there would typically be an order for monetary and non-monetary remedies. A non-monetary remedy may include sensitivity training, issuing an apology, or even a publication ban, he says.

If the person refused to comply with the tribunal's order, this would result in a contempt proceeding being sent to the Divisional or Federal Court, Brown says. The court could then potentially send a person to jail “until they purge the contempt,” he says.



I  think ludofl3x will call that fake news  he says: 

ludofl3x wrote: THere is no law that wants you to AGREE that someone with a dick and balls is a woman. They want you to legally have to treat them the same as everyone else, that's all. #181
I replied:

Stephen  wrote: "there is no law";
Not yet. [there isn't]

But in my opinion we are just a step or two away with incidents concerning alphabet people already being described "non crime hate incidents", for which one can be arrested, fined and imprisoned.



It looks like I spoke too soon, Best.Korea


Topic's author
#222
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TWS1405_2
Best check those maps again, because it shows more blue states than red having the highest firearm mortality rates. 
Um, no that’s not what your link shows.

California has 9 deaths per 100,000 of population 

Alabama has 24
#223
hey-yo
hey-yo's avatar
Debates: 25
Posts: 382
1
2
4
hey-yo's avatar
hey-yo
1
2
4
-->
@Best.Korea
This could be a trick question because "as good as a gun" could include killing. Automatically rejecting less lethal or non-lethal options. 

If the goal of any given self defense scenario is to get away, then there are many options that may be as good as if not better than a gun. Better? 

Yes. Each scenario or event is unique to itself. Self defense teaching is not complete untill one includes environmental awareness, de-escilation, and prevention. A gun may seem like a good option for most, but does not allow descilation because a gun will always be a one up. 

Perhaps some may backdown to a gun fight, but some will find you a challenge to get a thrill from. In some cases, not using a gun helps prevent escilation. A high power flash light can supply the means to escape better than a gun.  Like for a robbing or mugging. 

There are non-lethal projectiles as well. Each providing self defense in their own appropriate way. 
#224
TWS1405_2
TWS1405_2's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 2,186
3
3
7
TWS1405_2's avatar
TWS1405_2
3
3
7
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
Um, yeah that is EXACTLY what the links show/prove. Stop being such an uneducated denialist. I mean really, you cherry picked two states. 🥱 🤦‍♂️🙄
Topic's author
#225
IwantRooseveltagain
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 7,597
3
3
6
IwantRooseveltagain's avatar
IwantRooseveltagain
3
3
6
-->
@TWS1405_2
Look, I know you are disabled, but you should still be able to understand a color coded map.

The red areas of the map have a high death rate. The yellow areas of the map have a low death rate.


Wyoming has the highest gun death rate at 26
#226
Sidewalker
Sidewalker's avatar
Debates: 8
Posts: 2,789
3
2
5
Sidewalker's avatar
Sidewalker
3
2
5
-->
@Greyparrot
Set phasers to stun :)
Sure, phasers for the men maybe, but for the ladies, a better approach to conflict resolution would be jello wrestling.


#227
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,264
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@Sidewalker
I was watching a history documentary of a late 1800 ship sinking where 1/3 of the men decided to rape the women before the ship went down.
#228
Sidewalker
Sidewalker's avatar
Debates: 8
Posts: 2,789
3
2
5
Sidewalker's avatar
Sidewalker
3
2
5
-->
@Greyparrot
I was watching a history documentary of a late 1800 ship sinking where 1/3 of the men decided to rape the women before the ship went down.
Was  it one of your XXX rated "history documentaries"?
#229
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,264
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@Sidewalker
History is actually a lot worse than modern filtered woke fiction.
#230
TWS1405_2
TWS1405_2's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 2,186
3
3
7
TWS1405_2's avatar
TWS1405_2
3
3
7
-->
@IwantRooseveltagain
> 
@<<<TWS1405_2>>>
Look, I know you are disabled,
psychological projection…

but you should still be able to understand a color coded map.

The red areas of the map have a high death rate. The yellow areas of the map have a low death rate.


Wyoming has the highest gun death rate at 26

No 💩 Sherlock!! And those red states with the highest gun deaths [are] BLUE states. 
#231
Greyparrot
Greyparrot's avatar
Debates: 4
Posts: 26,264
3
4
10
Greyparrot's avatar
Greyparrot
3
4
10
-->
@TWS1405_2
Still trying to convert stolen valor larper? Good luck to ya.
#232
Double_R
Double_R's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 5,356
3
2
5
Double_R's avatar
Double_R
3
2
5
-->
@Stephen
No. I can show you anecdotal examples to prove any point I want, including conflicting ones. That's why they do not qualify as evidence.
Well that is a matter of opinion. Clips of a young female swimmer being abused and assaulted locked in a cupboard for three hours and held to ransom is very clear evidence. Or was it all staged for camera?
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence of anything. That's not an opinion, there's a reason we invented a term for it.

What you're talking about now is completely different. I didn't say video footage is not evidence of anything, it depends on what you're trying to prove. The video clips you describe are evidence of what happened to the swimmer. They're not evidence of a trend, which is what you were trying to argue with regards to trans people before.

I don't give two fks weather or not you see it as a valid point. 
You shouldn't. What you should care about is the fact that you're arguments are logically invalid.

Is all I have written is that I haven't seen any evidence of transsexuals being attacked or assaulted by a mob. You are welcome to correct me with some visible proof.
I don't need to prove anything because I haven't made any claims here aside from pointing out your logical fallacies. The fact that you haven't seen evidence of it doesn't mean anything other than that you're probably not looking for it.

And you chose to ignore this;
Yes, because I'm not arguing with ludofl3x, you are. So go ask him.

If you want to ask me for my thoughts on a general issue I'll answer, but I'm not digging through a whole other thread to figure out what you're talking about.
#233
Stephen
Stephen's avatar
Debates: 0
Posts: 8,647
3
2
2
Stephen's avatar
Stephen
3
2
2
-->
@Double_R
I didn't say video footage is not evidence of anything, it depends on what you're trying to prove.


I was simply showing what I have seen and read.  How many times!?The fkn point was that I hadn't seen  any evidence of transsexuals being attacked or assaulted by a mob. But I have seen many attacks by trannies against others.


 They're not evidence of a trend

 Define "trend". These attacks by trannies are happening pretty regular I gave just 3-4 examples.. I suppose you haven't see a single one. 


If you want to ask me for my thoughts on a general issue I'll answer, but I'm not digging through a whole other thread to figure out what you're talking about.

 Then simply do not cut into a thread without knowing what the fk it is that you are responding too, you clown.  Listen,  you don't even have to read what I write. In fact you ignore what I write. 

 How many times do I have to say it?  I have seen no  attacks on transsexuals. But I have seen many attacks by the tranny mob on anyone that tries to  speak up  against the encroachment of  women's safe spaces and encroachment  into women's sport by BIOLOGICAL MEN is short fkn skirts and leotards.


#234
Double_R
Double_R's avatar
Debates: 3
Posts: 5,356
3
2
5
Double_R's avatar
Double_R
3
2
5
-->
@Stephen
I hadn't seen  any evidence of transsexuals being attacked or assaulted by a mob. But I have seen many attacks by trannies against others.
What you have seen is irrelevant to determining the size and scale of the problem.

If you're trying to argue that something is a problem worthy of people's consideration, you need to demonstrate that its occurences are statistically significant. Of course what is statistically significant is highly subjective, but we can't even get to that part of the  conversation until we know how often it occurs in the first place.

That's where the fallacy of anecdotal evidence comes in. A video of something happening is by itself, statistically meaningless. That why I really don't care about your examples. I can show you dozens of videos of police killing unarmed black people. Does this mean that the police should be regarded as black people killers, or is it that these instances are extremely rare but just feel like they happen so often because every single time it does it becomes a national headline? We don't know until we look at the statistics.

And in today's age of trama porn on social media, the problem is so much worse than ever before. We live in different worlds in large part because our social media feeds shovel whatever narrative we want of it right to our phones. So what people are and are not seeing these days is more of a reflection of what they're looking for then what's actually occurring.

So if you want to make the case these attacks are occurring regularly you need more than your social media feed. Show me the statistics or just admit that you have no idea what you're talking about.