TRUMP INDICTED!

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Another first for Trump, one in, more to follow.

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Give your feelings about it. You started the thread. Break this down for us. 
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I hope he goes to jail and becomes radicalized. Clearly this culture war won't end until somebody starts giving the left-tribe a taste of their own medicine. I'm talking Lincoln level shit.
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I hope he goes to jail and becomes radicalized.
LOL, the whack job sociopath isn't radical enough for you?

Clearly this culture war won't end until somebody starts giving the left-tribe a taste of their own medicine.
Yeah, the only essential ingredient for fascism is victimhood,  you think painting yourselves as victims of the meany left will get you your autocracy, you poor poor pitiful autocrat.

I'm talking Lincoln level shit.
Hey, you mean "The Lincoln Project", that's what I'm talking about too.
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Trump: "I will make a deal to end war in Ukraine in one day".

Yeah, who would allow that to happen.
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Clearly this culture war won't end until somebody starts giving the left-tribe a taste of their own medicine
It's starting to happen fortunately. For the most part the right has decided there is stuff that the left does which is too ethical to do but they have been gloves off lately with things such as attacking corporations. It's why corporations have been doing all the woke shit, but fortunately these corporations are losing things like tax incentives due to republican governors not tolerating anything less than political neutrality. 


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Yeah, the only essential ingredient for fascism is victimhood, you think painting yourselves as victims of the meany left will get you your autocracy, you poor poor pitiful autocrat.
I'd prefer an autocrat over a totalitarian government we are heading towards
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I'm just preparing for the onslaught of the political right's bullshit logic free fact free attacks on this as being political and watching all of the right wing minions follow suit because that's what they were told to believe.
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I'd prefer an autocrat over a totalitarian government we are heading towards
You mean a government that follows the rule of law?
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but fortunately these corporations are losing things like tax incentives due to republican governors not tolerating anything less than political neutrality. 
I thought Republicans believed that corporations are people (Mitt Romney)

Now you want them to be politically neutral? That should mean no political donations by corporations too.

Face it, you want corporations to be political if they are right wing and you want them to shut up if they are left wing. Because you’re a dummy.

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You mean a government that follows the rule of law?
Do you think the government was right to enforce laws allowing slavery?
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I hope he goes to jail and becomes radicalized.
LOL, the whack job sociopath isn't radical enough for you?
Not even close.

Yeah, the only essential ingredient for fascism is victimhood
To claim injustice is to claim victim hood. There are no political movements without purported victims. This is blindingly obvious.

I'm talking Lincoln level shit.
Hey, you mean "The Lincoln Project", that's what I'm talking about too.
No, I'm talking about the violations of the constitution Lincoln did to win the war he started.

1.) States obviously had a right to leave the union, he didn't care. He deployed the army against domestic political enemies.
2.) Newspapers were treading on the line on reporting on troop movements for the enemy, he censored them.
3.) Supreme court justices were going to rule against his efforts, he put them under house arrest.

All this is forgiven by posterity because in the end there was a just cause.

Governments, laws, and constitutions are not sacred. Morality is sacred. Liberty is truest morality. Social contracts are void between those who break them and those who didn't.

It's possible the republic would be restored, it's possible Trump would try to make himself some kind of king; but he would fail because his defenders are not his worshipers despite the propaganda you've ingested.
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It's starting to happen fortunately.
It's at like 4% when left-tribe is already at 80% (arresting political leaders on trumped up charges).

The only chance to avoid full civil war is a fizzled cultural revolution ASAP or peaceful divorce. Further violence is unavoidable, but it could be minimized by restoring the balance of fear.

Pardon all Jan 6 people, pay them restitution using funds diverted from the FBI, arrest 10,000 people associated with the CHAZ and another 20,000 associated with the general summer of love rioting. Arrest and charge Hilary Clinton, Joe Biden, and Obama. Try them with juries from West Virginia, rural Texas, and Florida. Investigate everyone in the DOJ 3 layers down in hierarchy and charge them with the same abandon as Trump associates (i.e. Rodger Stone)

There are left-tribers reading that and losing their shit, but that is commiserate treatment. It is correction from the unequal application of the law that has already occurred.

That is how far we are just from balance, and to be honest you need to go a bit farther than balance to discourage escalation.
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Is anyone ever going to argue he shouldn't be indicted because he DIDN'T DO CRIMES, or is it really just because of who he is? That's an honest question. Not a single person I've seen on the conservative side, either here or in the media, has said "He's innocent of this crime." I mean if reports are to be believed, it's 30 criminal counts of fraud. It seems exclusively based on "Well I like him, so he should not be held accountable."
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Is anyone ever going to argue he shouldn't be indicted because he DIDN'T DO CRIMES
We are way past that.

He's innocent of this crime.
It's a made up crime in a classic damned if you do damned if you don't situation. Once you see government in the wild you understand that there are an enormous number of laws that contradict each other or could easily be interpreted in absurd ways. There are also laws which are designed to never be enforced until the state wants to wreck your day: Speed limits, J-walking, most county regulations.

it's 30 criminal counts of fraud. It seems exclusively
When you don't trust the cops, judge, prosecutor, or jury it may as well be 30 counts of genocide.

When you hear about someone political dissident in CCP, Russia, or Venusuala being charged and found guilty of this that and the other thing do you ask "I wonder why political dissidents are so criminal?"

No, you know those systems are rigged. The charges don't matter because evidence and reason don't matter to the accusers.
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So much for keeping Trump off the ballot this cycle :/
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The only chance to avoid full civil war is a fizzled cultural revolution ASAP or peaceful divorce. Further violence is unavoidable, but it could be minimized by restoring the balance of fear.
The only reason the left never suggests divorce is because they know what happens to leftist countries sub consciously. We all know Venezuela and north Korea exist.  
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That might be some of it. There have been suggestions when they didn't control the federal government that California wanted to leave. They don't like the idea now because they are in control. If they lose control they'll be all for it, and since right-tribe is more principled that is when it might actually happen.
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Right. California is that whiney adult child in their parent's house who will never leave willingly. Despite daily reminders about how awesome they are.
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Good. A divorce isn't the worst thing.
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So awesome that basically every wealthy liberal there is unconsciously following the Butler Plan to get away from the madness.
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I see some Trump supporters at Mar-a-Lago have signs that say " F__k Stormy!"
Isn't that what Trump did?
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I can't say I am upset you TDS guys are hellbent on having Trump on the next presidential ticket. Mostly disappointed at the short sightedness.
I sure hope you guys know what you are doing.
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Following the Butler Plan to get away from the madness.
That's the chads ghosting California on twitter.
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Not according to Trump or Stormy... I would call that blackmail on Stormy's part, but recall what I just said about "our" injustice system.
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Actually, porn actor Stormy Daniels maintains that she had sex with Donald Trump in 2006. Daniels said a letter she signed under pressure in 2018, claiming the affair “never happened,” was a “lie.” But some conservatives are misleadingly citing that letter as proof that Trump and Daniels were never intimate and she was not paid “hush money.”
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That's a step in the right direction.
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What direction? Making Trump a martyr? The reason why Hillary isn't a contender for the next election is because nobody talks about her. Nobody indicts her, nobody lets her live in their head. Why can't you guys simply shut your fat mouths just for one year and let Trump go into obscurity? All you have to do is ignore the man and he will go away, yet you are dead set determined to make him way more important than he has a right to be. Not worth in my book.

If you guys know he is a con artist, why the hell are you letting him play you?
Baffling.


I swear, sometimes i see people on the left and it looks like a deathcult.
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What direction?
Accountability. I'd rather not have the precedent be presidents are above the rule of law.  As for making Trump immortal? Imo, his contributions to the polarization of this nation have peaked. Acountability is the wake-up call and/or salve this nation needs to counter the damage already done.




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Absolutely nobody but the victims of the most pernicious propaganda will believe the system holds government accountable if Trump is the only person out of the entire Federal Government to be held to the standard.

They system is on trial here, not Trump.