Guns don't kill people, people kill people

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Evidence of mass (global) poisoning by China and Governments the world over with the fake vaccine:
Edward Dowd, expert in analytics who demonstrates by excess deaths 
His book outlining his and his company’s findings has not been debunked, just ignored. 
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In some cases it's warranted
That’s what l have been saying. And it’s warranted with pretty much everyone on this site.

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Larry Elder and the Epoch Times. What an idiot.
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Larry Elder and the Epoch Times. What an idiot.
Can’t discredit the professional analyst, so you retort with a genetic fallacy.
Go figure.
You’re spot on with the psychological projection.
“What an idiot” you are. 
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I used to wonder why right wingers believe the stupid things they do, till I realized a pattern of remarkable inability to comprehend words when those words conflict with their fantasy world view.

I've been called a lot of things by a lot of people.  Right winger isn't one of them.  You remind me of that mentally ill lesbian in Palo Alto who attacked an old Jewish guy and kept calling him a nazi.  



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I have always wondered what stupid people think about guns.

Then I read DoubleR's opinions on them.

I wonder no more, as now I know. 


Right? 

Now to be fair, I was being a bit of an asshole.  Not because I enjoy being an asshole.

Well, ok.  I do enjoy being an asshole.

But I also enjoy the effect it has on DoubleR.   His feathers are very easy to ruffle. 


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Also, Larry Elder should be the president.  I love that guy.  
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Can’t discredit the professional analyst,
What professional analyst? Ed Dowd? 
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Also, Larry Elder should be the president.  I love that guy.  
Why do you love him? He couldn’t even win Governor in a recall election 

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Uh oh, Dowd is critical of Trump’s Operation Warp Speed. He must be a RINO. Trump said it was the greatest vaccine development program in history!
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Only morons would listen to a former technology analyst from Wall Street to evaluate the efficacy of a vaccine.

You are one of those morons.

Over a million people died from Covid, young and old. They didn’t die from Covid vaccines. Wouldn’t that explain the excess deaths?
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If guns kill people, then I guess

1. Cars drive drunk 

2. Pencils make mistakes 
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Right, that’s why there are no laws or regulations governing the manufacture or use of automobiles and we don’t require people to get a driver’s license or wear a seat belt. Because cars don’t kill people, people kill people. The speed limits are for the people not the cars. That’s why you never see someone running faster than 70 mph down the highway. Because the speed limit applies to people, not automobiles.
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In some cases it's warranted
That’s what l have been saying. And it’s warranted with pretty much everyone on this site.
But you appear to believe it's warranted based on the person you're talking to, not the comment to which you are replying so you are constantly throwing out this kind of stuff with no provocation.

It's a shame to me because you have a lot of good points, they just get lost in all of your insults. 
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not the comment to which you are replying
95% of the comments on this site made by those on the right are absolute nonsense worthy of nothing but derision.

Look at the comment above by skippr- if guns kill people then cars drive drunk. Is that a comment worth anything but derision?

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I understand your frustration and for sure they're mostly a bunch of retards, but you need to have a little art in it dude. Overuse the knife, you'll dull the blade and cut nothing. 
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I understand your frustration and for sure they're mostly a bunch of retards,
Well it’s more alarm than frustration. These “retards” are allowed to vote.

The blade is cutting. My posts of reality are driving these knuckleheads away from this site. They are looking for an echo chamber of alternative reality. It’s my obligation as a citizen to deny them that echo chamber.

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Right, that’s why there are no laws or regulations governing the manufacture or use of automobiles and we don’t require people to get a driver’s license or wear a seat belt. Because cars don’t kill people, people kill people. The speed limits are for the people not the cars. That’s why you never see someone running faster than 70 mph down the highway. Because the speed limit applies to people, not automobiles.
It took me ten minutes to figure out you were being sarcastic. I was looking at this like "Wut?" 

You're right, my initial post about "cars driving drunk" is only a joke. Don't take it any other way. 

They are looking for an echo chamber of alternative reality. It’s my obligation as a citizen to deny them that echo chamber.
I am new to your views. What echo chamber are "they" looking for? As opposed to your views, what is the information "they" believe?
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I am new to your views. What echo chamber are "they" looking for? As opposed to your views, what is the information "they" believe?
Sorry. You need to understand your joke would qualify as a real opinion here on Dart. So many wack jobs.

A right wing QAnon echo chamber of an alternative reality.

They believe nonsense from bloggers on YouTube, OANN, NewsMax,  FOX and the Epoch Times.

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QAnon sounds like the Illuminati. It's like making fanfiction about real life events
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So if 99% of all guns in America never kill anyone, why would you say guns kill people? You could say ".01% of guns killed people in 2020" and I would say, "Yeah, that's right."

 “the law holds that it is better that 10 guilty persons escape, than that 1 innocent suffer.”

 “the law holds that it is better that 40,000 guilty guns escape, than that 450,000,000 innocent guns suffer.”
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 “the law holds that it is better that 10 guilty persons escape, than that 1 innocent suffer.”
Blackstone's Principle.

“the law holds that it is better that 40,000 guilty guns escape, than that 450,000,000 innocent guns suffer.”
I'm just waiting for someone to soundly argue the reason lawful use of firearms merits penalty as a result of its criminal use.
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Here is a good video to watch.


Here is a generated summary if you don't want to watch it:

In the video, Crowder argues that the Second Amendment is crucial for the protection of American citizens' individual liberties and that any attempts to infringe upon it are a direct threat to those liberties. He asserts that the right to bear arms is a fundamental right that must be upheld, and any attempt to restrict it is unconstitutional.

Crowder also argues that the Second Amendment is necessary to protect against government tyranny, citing historical examples such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. He argues that disarming citizens makes them vulnerable to the abuses of an overreaching government and that the right to bear arms serves as a check against government power.

Additionally, Crowder addresses common arguments made by gun control advocates, such as the idea that "common sense" gun control measures can reduce gun violence. He argues that such measures are ineffective and ultimately only serve to disarm law-abiding citizens, leaving them vulnerable to criminals who obtain guns illegally.

Crowder argues that having armed citizens who can defend themselves and others is an important factor in reducing violent crime. He cites data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that estimates that there are hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses (DGUs) each year in the United States, meaning that firearms are used to protect innocent lives or prevent crimes.

Crowder argues that these DGUs are often ignored by the media, which tends to focus only on cases where guns are used to commit crimes. He cites examples of instances where a good guy with a gun stopped a mass shooting or prevented a crime from occurring.

Furthermore, Crowder notes that the CDC has found that the number of lives saved by DGUs far exceeds the number of lives lost to gun violence. He argues that this data demonstrates that responsible gun ownership is a net positive for society and that attempts to restrict the Second Amendment are misguided.

Overall, Crowder's argument is that responsible gun ownership, including the ability of law-abiding citizens to carry firearms, is an important factor in reducing crime and protecting innocent lives.

Crowder argues that the Second Amendment is just as important as the First Amendment, which protects freedom of speech, religion, and the press. He asserts that the right to bear arms is a fundamental right that is enshrined in the Constitution, just like the right to free speech, where power is distributed to all individuals instead of a concentrated few.

Crowder believes that any attempts to infringe upon the Second Amendment would be a direct threat to individual liberties and could potentially lead to government tyranny. He cites historical examples of governments that disarmed their citizens before committing atrocities and argues that the Second Amendment serves as a check against such abuses of power.

Furthermore, Crowder asserts that the right to bear arms is necessary for self-defense and the protection of innocent lives. He argues that responsible gun ownership is a positive force in society and that attempts to restrict this right would only serve to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Overall, Crowder's point is that the Second Amendment is just as important as the First Amendment and that any attempts to infringe upon this right would be a direct threat to individual liberties. He believes that the right to bear arms is necessary for self-defense and the protection of innocent lives, and that responsible gun ownership is a positive force in society.
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@Double_R
There may be missunderatanding in "guns dont kill people, people kill people ." In regards to the question, the child killed another child - by use of a gun. This approach is to address the person as part of if not the greater part of an issue, not the gun. 

Thats why people criticise gun laws on basis that the law does not prevent murder, suicide, crime, etc. Instead the law prohibits a legal consumer from obtaining a legal item. Considering the question given about a 5 year old, there are measurements taken and should be taken to prevent 5 year olds from playing with real guns. 

Most common are:
Talks about gun and gun safety
Safes
Safe storage options like seperating bullets from a gun. Not having live rounds in a gun. Etc. 

Overall the rederict is to raise people as the problem to focus on. I agree that people should be a part of the initial approach to gun violence or gun crimes or gun accidents. How much is in question. 
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I agree that people should be a part of the initial approach to gun violence or gun crimes or gun accidents. How much is in question. 
That's the whole point of the thread.

No one is arguing that people should not be looked at as part of the issue, my issue which most on the left agree with is that pointing only to the people and leaving out the guns is not only absurd, it goes against the way we handle any other issue in life.

The fact that gun laws don't prevent murder, crime, etc. is not a valid criticism. As with any law about pretty much anything, a 100% success rate is not the standard.
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What are your thoughts on the most deadly gun presently, the Glock?
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It's not the most deadly gun, it's the gun most frequently used because it's ready to conceal.

I think if there's a shooter i'd much rather they be armed with a Glock than an AR15. I think there is no reason anyone would need an extended magazine to go with it. I think anyone purchasing one should go through a background check, I think all bullets for it and all guns should be trackable (we currently have this technology), and I definitely don't think anyone should be allowed to just carry out around in public.
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It's not the most deadly gun, it's the gun most frequently used because it's ready to conceal.
I would consider it the most deadly precisely because it is responsible for the most deaths. I don't really care about other guns being presently "potentially more dangerous"
There is always going to be the category of "most deadly gun responsible for most deaths"
I just find it odd that no politician talks about the deadly Glock.

All these exotic bans can't possibly affect the death rates from Glocks, if anything, it might increase them even further.

My question is, can you take any gun violence rhetoric seriously if the rhetoric purposely avoids the elephant in the room?
As a follow up, why are politicians on all sides purposely avoiding this discussion during the hand wringing exercises?

and I definitely don't think anyone should be allowed to just carry out around in public.
What if a large portion of the population decided to go into private security as a side job?