Leftists...........explain this.

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Let me get this straight.

So, you guys say that you can't have an opinion on abortion if you don't have a uterus, right?
But then you guys also say that you don't need a uterus to be a woman, right?

So, should Trans-women (men) be allowed to have an opinion on abortion?
If yes, then............well you're contradicting what you just said. 
If no, then you're contradicting the statement that Trans-women are women, because there is something that separates them from biological women. You're telling a Trans-woman (a man) that he can't have an opinion on abortion, because they aren't actually women.
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They're fine with anyone having an opinion as long as it's the "right" one.
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What leftists have you been listening to? Or are you conflating being opinionated with being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian? 
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So, you guys say that you can't have an opinion on abortion if you don't have a uterus, right?
False.  Every leftist will stand up for every citizen's right to have an opinion.  Leftists seek to minimize government regulation of human organs and natural processes. Obviously, the leftist/rightist dichotomy fails to inform the question of abortion.  Leftism priorititizes human rights over property rights.  Rightism prioritizes property right over human rights.  Any argument that the unborn child's right to live surpasses the US Citizens' right to healthcare autonomy and privacy is an inherently leftist argument, just as any argument that the US Citizens' right to healthcare autonomy and privacy surpasses an unborn child's right to live is likewise a leftist proposition.  RIghtism claims that property rights surpass any human consideration and so the chief executive of the relevant estate controls all human functions pertinent to that estate.  Only Trump's grab-em-by-the-pussy bridgade and other teenaged pervs are thinking about citizen's uteruses  and how to center public policy around the inspection of citizen's crotches.
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Let me get this straight.
If you really want to be "straight", you're just going to have to stop being obsessed with trans people's genitals.


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So, you guys say that you can't have an opinion on abortion if you don't have a uterus, right?
They say a lot of dumb things to silence the opposition.
Leftism is the opposite of freedom of speech. Just look at the policies the left is pushing.

"Mansplaining, misgendering, correct pronouns" - These would be the laws if left was in charge.
They have already started arresting people in some countries for misgendering.


But then you guys also say that you don't need a uterus to be a woman, right?
They completely erased the definition of a woman. Woman used to be person who reproduces and gives birth.
Today, woman is nothing. It has no meaning.

Their movement is about  creating delusions. The society based on leftist values falls apart. You cannot educate children that they can change gender, species...ect. and expect to have normal children who seek real values.

Teach a child that its good to be abnormal, child will become abnormal.
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False.  Every leftist will stand up for every citizen's right to have an opinion.
Unless you want the freedom to have guns, make abortions illegal, make castration and cutting off of limbs for children illegal, making child pornography illegal, confronting corrupt democratic officials, and etc.

Leftists seek to minimize government regulation of human organs and natural processes.
WHAT??!!!
You do know that leftists fight more government intervention, right? I think you're thinking about libertarians. 

Leftism priorititizes human rights over property rights.
Children in the womb are not property. They are not defined by where they are located. 

Rightism prioritizes property right over human rights.
Nope. Conservatism prioritizes the baby's right to the mother's womb, and Leftism prioritizes the mothers right to kill a child. 

Any argument that the unborn child's right to live surpasses the US Citizens' right to healthcare autonomy and privacy is an inherently leftist argument, just as any argument that the US Citizens' right to healthcare autonomy and privacy surpasses an unborn child's right to live is likewise a leftist proposition.  RIghtism claims that property rights surpass any human consideration and so the chief executive of the relevant estate controls all human functions pertinent to that estate.  Only Trump's grab-em-by-the-pussy bridgade and other teenaged pervs are thinking about citizen's uteruses  and how to center public policy around the inspection of citizen's crotches.
Then explain the issue I proposed. 
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If you really want to be "straight", you're just going to have to stop being obsessed with trans people's genitals.
Maybe you should start being concerned about it.
It's hurting kids.  
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If you really want to be "straight", you're just going to have to stop being obsessed with trans people's genitals.
Maybe you should start being concerned about it.
It's hurting kids.  
I don't believe in "conversion therapy", but I hate to see a youngster so conflicted, how about next time you get excited thinking about trans genitals, take a cold shower, that might help.
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I don't believe in "conversion therapy", but I hate to see a youngster so conflicted, how about next time you get excited thinking about trans genitals, take a cold shower, that might help.
Yes, I hate to see children with gender dysphoria too, which is why we need to stop making it so popular and causing more children to fall victim to this. 
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This proves literally nothing. 
 Yes you can track who is watching porngraphy and what kind it is, but can you track the reason for it?

It could be other things besides sexual pleasure, like for research on transgender people's and showing how disgusting it is. 

I could use the same argument for leftist. Most leftists want to reduce law enforcement, but as soon as s*** hits the fan they call the cops and expect them to show up. 

People watching Trans pornography and then saying it's wrong is very hypocritical. That's the statement your making with this article. And your right. But what does that prove? Yes their are  a lot of hypocritical conservatives. Their are also a lot of hypocritical democrats. The fact that some conservatives are hypocritical doesn't refute my argument.

So now you answer my question. 
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I'm happy to give those subject to pregnancy a priority regarding abortion. However, abortion isn't just a female issue as it, at its core, is a discussion over the right to bodily autonomy and self-ownership. Everyone has a vested interest in the outcome of this debate.

As for your trans distinctions, everyone starts out as female in the womb. Some of those females transition to male. Soooo, everyone is either female or used to be. This means every male on the planet is trans. What are you doing wearing those nipples, bro?! 
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This proves literally nothing. 
 Yes you can track who is watching porngraphy and what kind it is, but can you track the reason for it?

It could be other things besides sexual pleasure, like for research on transgender people's and showing how disgusting it is. 
So how much did it disgust you?
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No one starts of as female in the womb. 
The sex of the baby is predetermined at conception.

Now it is true that the process of a male child's body being created does have the same process as a female child's body up until a certain  point, but the sex never changes from female to male. It is predetermined at conception. 
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That's not the point I'm making at all btw. I'm saying you have a trans fetish. Seems to be all you think about all day long on here. 
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Very much.

People watching Trans pornography is disgusting.

Now, let's hear your explanation for my question.

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Nope. I just care about kids. You can do whatever you want once your an adult over the age of 18.

But I am still allowed to question the contradictions in your logic. 
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Now, let's hear your explanation for my question.

Afraid not. I don't find it so very exciting to talk about chicks with dicks like you do.

You do you, though. 
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I just care about kids. 
Oh wow. You'd want to be careful there. 
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I'll explain your thing if you explain
Ok then.

Another leftist running away from the argument.
Typical. 
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All human individuals—whether they have an XX, an XY, or an atypical sex chromosome combination—begin development from the same starting point. During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female.
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I'm not running away. I'm right here. Conversing with you just makes me feel a little icky is all. 
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Oh wow. You'd want to be careful there. 
Well being that I am still technically a kid, I do care about myself and what I am being taught and what my friends, my little siblings, and children around the world are being taught. 

Again why do you all have to sexualize everything?

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Again why do you all have to sexualize everything?

That's just desperate, dude. Have a little self respect. 
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All human individuals—whether they have an XX, an XY, or an atypical sex chromosome combination—begin development from the same starting point. During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female.
Yes. That is what I stated. 

They start development from the same starting point, but their predetermined sex is different at conception (aka) chromosomes.
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I'm not running away. I'm right here. Conversing with you just makes me feel a little icky is all. 
Well you are. 
You said you were going to explain, then decide not to, sooooooo...........yea. 

Also, how are you calling me disgusting, when I am arguing that we should stop sexualizing kids, stop all this trans nonsense etc. If I was truly disgusting I would be promoting it. I am not the one who tried tried to get my political agenda into the school's or pornography into the schools. That's what leftists did. I am saying that we should stop involving kids in politics. Just leave them alone. 

That's just desperate, dude. Have a little self respect. 
All you said is that i care about kids and turned it into something sexual. You are sexualizing it. 
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Ok here's a problem for you. It seems to me that it's actually Republicans that are creating the demand for transexuals what with all the transexual porn they're watching. Well, that's the real encouragement, right? If you like, the left is just accepting the problem the right is creating.

It's basic capitalism, right? Supply and demand. 
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4.7 million transgender porn related google searches a month and the vast majority coming from Republican states. That's a whole lot of money and a whole lot of fake titty surgeries. 
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They start development from the same starting point, but their predetermined sex is different at conception (aka) chromosomes.
Sure, everyone starts with labia and a clitoris. You can try to argue this isn't female I suppose, but you do so at the expense of being taken seriously. 

FYI, individuals can be born with genitalia that doesn't match their chromosomes. Suffice to say, there's a lot that you don't know about human biology. I say that as someone who recognizes I still have a lot to learn about it as well, so don't take that as an insult.