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@keithprosser
In short, our internal organs have no aims or goals associated with them unless God exists. There is no such thing as having a better brain, better heart, etc.
If your internal organs have a purpose, God exists.
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@Fallaneze
Ok, and?
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@drafterman
Is it better to have a brain with Alzheimer's or one without?
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@Fallaneze
Better in what way?
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@drafterman
Trick question because any basis of comparison involves imagined goals for what a better brain is.
There is simply no fact of the matter on whether it's better to have a brain with Alzheimer's or one without
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@Fallaneze
Ok, and?
There is no fact of the matter on whether it's better to have a heart with clogged arteries rather than not.
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@Fallaneze
There could be 'FOTM' if 'better' was defined properly. If you answer 'better in what way' (eg 'provides more blood flow') you do get a FoTM.There is no fact of the matter on whether it's better to have a heart with clogged arteries rather than not.
Note for if 'better' means 'morally better' that doesn't work because morality isn't a thing! (maybe :)
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@Fallaneze
Ok. What's the end game here? What's the conclusion with this line of conversation?
Well each statement seems incorrect. It doesn't seem like there's no fact of the matter on whether it's better to have a heart with clogged arteries or not. Some of this has to do with the architecture of the heart itself. You can infer what role each part has. So I'm finding it interesting how, if God doesn't exist, our internal organs have an imagined purpose and the implications of that
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@Fallaneze
Goal is simply the wrong word. Evolution and internal organs have a logical consequence not a goal.
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@secularmerlin
Heart failure has a logical consequence. So does normal heart activity.
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@Fallaneze
Yes but only humans attach judgements like "good" or "bad" to such consequences.
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@Fallaneze
All purposes ever known by man were created by man. I challenge you to show me any purpose set by a god.Well each statement seems incorrect. It doesn't seem like there's no fact of the matter on whether it's better to have a heart with clogged arteries or not. Some of this has to do with the architecture of the heart itself. You can infer what role each part has. So I'm finding it interesting how, if God doesn't exist, our internal organs have an imagined purpose and the implications of that
Nor does God existing doesn't grant them a purpose anyway. You can only guess at what God's purpose is. Maybe God designed the universe with the purpose of generating gold via supernovae and humans are just an irrelevant byproduct of this process. Like organic gunk that accumulates in the ice machine that is the universe.
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@drafterman
I adore this quote.Like organic gunk that accumulates in the ice machine that is the universe.