Without God, evolution is just a mindless process that has no aims or goals. This means that everything that results from evolution is purposeless, including internal organs. If our organs fo have a purpose, and not one that we're merely imagining, an external intelligence is required for such a purpose.
If your internal organs have a purpose, God exists.
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Dear Jesus. I am so sorry bout your worshipers.
Seems outrageous but it's perfectly logical.
You could say that about anything. Internal organs, evolution, existence itself. How could anything exist without a purpose? I'm not saying you are wrong but that does not constitute proof.
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@Fallaneze
First, if you intend this as an argument for the existence of God, you are committing an appeal to consequences fallacy.
As for your assertions, I wouldn't say that evolution has no goals. The goals are survival and reproduction. Therefore the purpose of internal organs is to further those goals.
As for life itself having no purpose without God, I assume you find this undesirable. I'll offer another perspective. Which is preferable, having your life's purpose dictated by an outside agent, or being free to decide your own purpose?
Our organs don't have a purpose.Without God, evolution is just a mindless process that has no aims or goals. This means that everything that results from evolution is purposeless, including internal organs. If our organs fo have a purpose, and not one that we're merely imagining, an external intelligence is required for such a purpose.
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@Stronn
How could evolution have goals? Evolution is a mindless process, like physics. In order to have goals you must possess intent (to reach the goal) and knowledge (of the goal itself). It's pretty obvious that mindless processes are incapable of both
Are internal organs the result of evolution?
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@drafterman
Medical science describes our internal organs as if they do.
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@Fallaneze
Most likely they simply describe their function. Nevertheless, it is a trait of humans to humanize and personify non-human things. This does not mean they have a purpose.
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@drafterman
A function is either just a description of activity (like describing water soaking into the soil as a 'function') or it's described in terms of something done in order to achieve something. You can say that our organs have a function in the first sense but not the second.
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@Fallaneze
Neither requires a purpose.
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@drafterman
It's a matter of whether a mindless process can account for it
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@Fallaneze
It can.
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@drafterman
So would you have no problem with "physics" rolling a boulder down a hill in order to achieve something?
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@Fallaneze
Physics isn't a thing or force that does anything. Like I said, humans anthropromorphize things.
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@drafterman
Apply the same principle to evolution. They're both mindless processes.
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@Fallaneze
Yep!
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@drafterman
Ok cool, so internal organs can't be doing something in order to achieve something.
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@Fallaneze
Why not?
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@drafterman
For the same reason physics can't. They're both mindless processes.
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@Fallaneze
What does that have to do with achieving something?
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@drafterman
Because by achieving something you're goal-setting. What is being achieved if there's no goal?
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@Fallaneze
Humans define the goals, not organs or physics.
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@drafterman
Right, so our organs can't be doing something in order to achieve something. That would just be us imagining it.
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@Fallaneze
Yep! You got it!
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@drafterman
So medical science is based on our imagination though?
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@Fallaneze
They part where we metaphorically describe organs as achieving goals, yes.
I think it a good idea to have a concrete example, such as 'Hearts exists to circulate the blood'.
F is asking how a mindless process would 'know' it would need hearts and set about evolving them.
It was Darwin (mainly) who answered that puzzle. He pointed out that because things reproduce imperfecly natural selection will achieve similar looking results as a planned, conscious
If you look at a highly evolved organism (such as a human) and work backwards in time it can appear that everything was aimed at producing a human begin as the end point. But if you begin at the start and work forwards, there are countless branch points which could have gone a different way. If things were a little different this post may have beem written by an intelligent dinosaur and it would appear that the aim or goal of evolution was to produce 'Tyranosaurus Sapiens'.
The other aspect is that having no goal seems to rob life of its 'meaning and purpose'. That nihilistic conclusion is not psychologically appealing but I think it can be viewed postively. What it means is that our fate and destiny isn't determined by anything 'out there' - we can choose our future - we can set our own aims and goals. I think that is as exciting as it a terrifying! I can imagine how nice it would be to have someone or something to do the thinking and planning for us - all we have to do is follow orders and leave the responsibility to the boss.
But there is no boss - we have to make the decisions and suffer or enjoy the consequences of our choices. It's just a pity we aren't very good at it.
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@keithprosser
The results so far, whether human beings, dogs, monkeys, etc. isn't of interest. What I want to point out is that internal organs, the results of a mindless process, cannot have any aims or goals. They are not something that achieves anything, other than in the mind of human imagination.
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@Fallaneze
Sorry - but I can't respond because I don't understand what you are getting at.