Why I can’t respect the modern conservative movement

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@Greyparrot
You are a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan I see.

More like a George Orwell fan.
George Santos maybe.
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Lol, you really do enjoy your mandatory prescribed 2 minutes of hate.
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You are a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan I see.
Also, what does MGT have to do with wanting to have more than one ruling political party? There are plenty of people upset with the current Uniparty of oligarchal lobbyist rule. Even WAY before Trump and MGT, common people were often pretty pissed off at the lack of representation in DC going as far back as Teddy Roosevelt who told the uniparty to kindly fuck off as he made an alternate party that worked...

Again, the political world didn't start and end with the Orangeman. It's just gotten a lot closer to the Orwell Dystopia since then as a critical mass of people forgot what life was like before Trump and how people used to have freedom, preferring a world of state narratives, lies, fear and servitude.
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@Greyparrot
Can you give me an example of the government limiting speech to fit an ideology...

Do you even read your sources, or just skim the headlines?

The DOJ is not targeting parents for speaking out, this is yet another ridiculous right wing talking point that gets repeated over and over again where the only evidence for it is the fact that it gets repeated over and over again.

Your article gave a whooping two examples, both were cases where someone on the school board forwarded emails to the FBI asking them to investigate it. That's not evidence for your claim. At all.
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Neither the FBI nor the DOJ shouldn't be taking marching orders from any lobbyist group.

Neither should the DOJ be the sole arbiter of classifying political speech as "Violence"

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It is better to be a free thinker versus abiding by the norms of the party. The two party system is a failure and needs be reformed
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@TheUnderdog
Communism is a terrible ideology that relies on massive government theft and censorship.
This tells me something, either that you know not even jack shit about communism, or you are looking at it with a colored lense, possibly yellow or blue.

So how should I expect your commentary on conservatives and even democrats objective?
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China censors and they are communist.  Same with Cuba.  The USSR didn’t censor nearly as much, so they ended their communism.

So how should I expect your commentary on conservatives and even democrats objective?
No human can be objective, including myself.  We all have our own biases.
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China censors and they are communist.
Wrong, China is not communist as of yet, they just blended market economy within socialism.

The USSR didn’t censor nearly as much, so they ended their communism.
That is not the reason. The USSR collapsed due to multiple other reasons due to Western spies, corruption, etc. Lack of censorship isn't the main reason even it is for some reason one.

No human can be objective, including myself.  We all have our own biases.
If you are expected to post this on a public net without considering how right the claims are, expect people to doubt you when they spot a flaw in your claims.

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@Greyparrot
You seem to forget that the population of the U.S. is 335 million.

And extreme right and left probably account for less than 1%.

And aren't all those millions of lovely guns supposed to protect you from tyranny anyway.


As I stated, it's the moderate core of the population that decides, and not extremists.

And previously they decided to get rid of the crazy Orange guy and give sleepy Joes team a go.

Not to your liking, but as a decent respectful American citizen you will have to grin and bare it.

Hopefully, you are a decent and respectful American citizen?
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And extreme right and left probably account for less than 1%.
According to US state corporate media, that number is closer to 40%

Less than 1% is reserved for "the Moderate right"

Anyone to the right of Bernie Sanders has a very good chance of being labeled "an extremist" by any of the major state media outlets.

And aren't all those millions of lovely guns supposed to protect you from tyranny anyway.
I suppose they will have to once our government collapses under unending debt. A gun will be more valuable than a Hunter Biden painting then for sure.

At least UK presently only has an 85% debt to GDP ratio. USA is way over 100% (meaning America can't produce enough to cover the debt and has to print money) and climbing every year.

but as a decent respectful American citizen you will have to grin and bare it.
An American citizen has an obligation to respectfully revolt when they are not represented. When protests are labeled terrorism, then escalation must occur.
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This is what the conservatives have become:
Huh? "Become" is an awfully strange term to use here...

Conservatives: We are pro life.  (sic) I think they are more right here since I think there should be a punishment for abortion.
Not all conservatives are pro-life, in the strictest sense. I am a conservative, and I am both pro-choice and pro-life. The differentiation is fetal viability. Anything before, abortion is fine. Anything after, abortion is not okay.

But the penalty should be a lifetime 10% sales tax on anything bought for the rest of their life, but the sole person who ensures the tax is the father of the aborted baby.  Any parent of an aborted baby should be barred from public office unless the pregnancy was conceived through rape, there are fetal defects, or is a threat to the life of the mother.
This is pure BS!

Reality: Herschel Walker paid for an abortion.  But he denies it but still calls himself a Republican.
Non Sequitur, irrelevant, nonsensical. 

Conservatives: We will vote for him.  He is on our team.
This makes no sense. People do not vote for others merely because they are on their team. 

Conservatives: Child rape must be punished with death.  I think they are right here; I don’t want my tax dollars feeding them.  They beloved this in 2008, and a majority of the American population supports the death penalty for rape I think (I’m not sure, but this is out of my experience)
Reality: Roy Moore is a child rapist.
Conservatives: We will vote for him because he’s a republican.  Alabama’s governor would support him even if he was a child rapist because all she cares about is the party of the politician.
I agree child rape must be punished with death. I mean, they will get it after all when they are convicted. Inmates in most prisons do not favor child rapists. 
Anyone charged and/or convicted of child rape simply do not get a free life let alone freedom to run for political office. All their skeletons tend to fall out of the closet, sooner or later. 

Conservatives: We need to cut welfare.
And? We do. It has had a devastating effect upon minorities. 

Reality: Many welfare recipients vote Republican.  
Wrong. They vote Democrat. 

The rest of your post is pure drivel.
I'd even call it trolling. 






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@Greyparrot
Lol, you really do enjoy your mandatory prescribed 2 minutes of hate.
Accounting for 39 years of inflation, it's now 22 minutes of hate.
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@Sidewalker
You're not allowed to hate things the government approves of, and the government has approved inflation for as long as you have been alive.
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@Greyparrot
Neither the FBI nor the DOJ shouldn't be taking marching orders from any lobbyist group.
What does this have to do with anything we've discussed?

You started off with a supposed example of the government limiting speech to fit an ideology, presenting the tired and debunked claim that the DOJ was being used to silence parents at school board meetings.

Then when having it pointed out that there is no justification for your overtly exaggerated characterization, you provide a source to groups apologizing for the DOJ memo. None of this supports your point.

Neither should the DOJ be the sole arbiter of classifying political speech as "Violence"

The DOJ isn't. This is why we have a judicial branch. You know this.

I also don't know why you think linking to a letter written and signed by as bunch of republicans making the same bogus claims you are supports your point. This isn't complicated at all. The Garland memo they are all pretending is a big deal is only 5 paragraphs long. Any laymen can read it and see very clearly that it does no such thing as what they are claiming.

They know this, but they also know that people like you will not bother to read it and instead just read headlines written by others whose job it is to keep you outraged over imaginary bogeymen.

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They know this, but they also know that people like you will not bother to read it and instead just read headlines written by others whose job it is to keep you outraged over imaginary bogeymen.

I've read that document. That document was written AFTER the NSBA letter was sent to Biden.

My issue is that the neither the NSBA nor the DOJ should determine what violent speech is in a public debate setting. Period. This practice is absolutely anti-free speech, harassment and intimidation of any American expressing his complaints to the government. NO GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVE AGENCY AND NO GOVERNMENT LOBBY SHOULD EVER HAVE THAT AUTHORITY TO CENSOR PUBLIC DISCOURSE. Only the courts may define violent speech. Please post in the thread I created for this.

Here is an excerpt of that outrageous letter to Biden.

"the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes."
NSBA and DOJ have no authority to make that judgement. Ever.
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Not all conservatives are pro-life, in the strictest sense. I am a conservative, and I am both pro-choice and pro-life. The differentiation is fetal viability. Anything before, abortion is fine. Anything after, abortion is not okay.
This is mainly a pro choice position.  Your an independent, a conservative wants to ban at least 50% of abortions.
Non Sequitur, irrelevant, nonsensical.
Walker is a hypocrite.

And? We do. It has had a devastating effect upon minorities.
So you’re a “conservative” that is pro choice for 99% of abortions and wants welfare.  You’re an independent, and I think being an independent is good.  But own it.

Wrong. They vote Democrat.
Some do.  But rural America is often on welfare and they vote Republican.

The rest of your post is pure drivel.
I'd even call it trolling.
This is pure BS!
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@Greyparrot
So, go gather your buddies and revolt.

Simple.


Though I think you have a somewhat jaundiced view of American society.


Have a nice day.