Why I can’t respect the modern conservative movement

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This is what the conservatives have become:

Conservatives: We are pro life.  I think they are more right here since I think there should be a punishment for abortion.  But the penalty should be a lifetime 10% sales tax on anything bought for the rest of their life, but the sole person who ensures the tax is the father of the aborted baby.  Any parent of an aborted baby should be barred from public office unless the pregnancy was conceived through rape, there are fetal defects, or is a threat to the life of the mother.
Reality: Herschel Walker paid for an abortion.  But he denies it but still calls himself a Republican.

Conservatives: We will vote for him.  He is on our team.

Conservatives: Child rape must be punished with death.  I think they are right here; I don’t want my tax dollars feeding them.  They beloved this in 2008, and a majority of the American population supports the death penalty for rape I think (I’m not sure, but this is out of my experience)
Reality: Roy Moore is a child rapist.
Conservatives: We will vote for him because he’s a republican.  Alabama’s governor would support him even if he was a child rapist because all she cares about is the party of the politician.

Conservatives: We need to cut welfare.  I shouldn’t pay for my neighbor’s bills.  I think every person that uses government assistance should be required to have a government job so society gets improved for those living off of taxpayers.  Exceptions are for those with bad disabilities, but if you have kids, you should not be allowed to live on welfare.

Reality: Many welfare recipients vote Republican.  Not all.  Maybe not even the majority, but many.  They often have more kids than what they can afford to raise, like what happens in Kiryas Joel.  This not an insult to all people living there, but the able bodied people living anywhere in the US should be required to get off of government funds or get a government job within a year.  After that, the welfare state is virtually eliminated.  I would rather have blue voters on welfare than red voters because blue voters that are on welfare don’t vote against their economic interests.  With few exceptions, I criticize EVERYONE on welfare, whether they vote blue or red.

Conservatives: Never criticize their own voters for living on welfare.

Conservatives: We don’t like identity politics.  I agree with them here; I ignore race, gender, sexual orientation, gender expression and even documentation status.  I see it (everyone does), but I ignore it.

Reality: Donald Trump appoints someone to the Supreme Court just because she’s a woman.  Fox News ends up praising minority conservatives like Nicci Haley for being minority female conservatives when their ethnic background or gender shouldn’t matter.  They point to Dave Rubin as “one of the good ones”, but they should “IGNORE” his gayness.

Conservatives: They have tokens just like the left.
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Conservatives are also just as pro war as Democrats.
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Then don't. You can always join the Communist party after all.
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What do you propose then? I don't like conservatives either but "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". So, there is no choice but to support conservatives.
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@TheUnderdog
You always have to ask each individual what they believe.

Someone might be a conservative, but have some differing viewpoints, from the main conservative movement. 
They would still hold more conservative values, but they would also add their own opinions as well.

For example, I know a lot of conservatives who make exceptions for abortions in the case of rape, and incest. 
I know a lot of conservatives who are pro-gay marriage.

When someone says that they are a conservative, that doesn't mean that all of their thinking has to line up with a strict guideline.
Everyone should have their own opinion on things, and that is a good thing. That's called using your American freedom of speech. 
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Conservatives and Democrats are all Americans and generally the same.

And hopefully all Conservatives remain democratic.

Just as Democrats, hopefully retain a certain degree of conservatism.

Extremism would be the problem.

And moderation is stability.
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It's the Democrats that want to have a regime closest to Putin's with media control, censorship and eliminating opposition. 
The slim hope America has is for Republicans to break away from the Democrats and allow actual Democracy and a government run by the people and not oligarchs, because Democrat voters are most certainly not going to change the current bread and circus regime.

America certainly doesn't need to "retain" that shit.

Democracy of old where people spoke their minds without fear is a relic of the past and is now labeled as Extreme.



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@Greyparrot
Democracy of old where people spoke their minds without fear is a relic of the past and is now labeled as Extreme.
What are you afraid will happen, specifically, if you speak your mind?
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What are you afraid will happen, specifically, if you speak your mind?
A never-ending summer of love.
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As expected, I suppose. 
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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for the populists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a populist
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

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So, the answer to my actual is question is "nope, I just want to bitch about it," is that fair to say? If not, what are your SPECIFIC concerns. And don't google someone else's work again to get your answer. I'm sure there's a Chatbot that can help you. 
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The democrats are trying to turn USA into some version of North Korea, just instead of military dictatorship we get LGBT dictatorship.

Their movement is about ideological education in schools starting from kindergarten, media being controlled by single ideology, speech being limited to fit the ideology, where ideology is "LGBT movement" and instead of military parades we get gay parades.
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 And don't google someone else's work again to get your answer. 

Why are you wasting your time with ad-hom gossip. Are you ok? Either you agree America is fulfilling that poem or you do not. No need for ad-homs.
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Their movement is about ideological education in schools starting from kindergarten, media being controlled by single ideology, speech being limited to fit the ideology, where ideology is "LGBT movement" and instead of military parades we get gay parades.
Can you give me an example of the government limiting speech to fit an ideology, specifically whatever you believe the "LGBT movement" is? In other words, where is the government saying "You cannot say this because we want to be gay" or something like that?
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Communism is a terrible ideology that relies on massive government theft and censorship.
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The democrats are trying to turn USA into some version of North Korea
Of course it is. Freedom has now been labeled EXTREME. And it's not just the USA heading down the authoritarian road.

Apparently, all of the west wants to become exactly like China as the model for global supremacy.
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For example, I know a lot of conservatives who make exceptions for abortions in the case of rape, and incest. 
I know a lot of conservatives who are pro-gay marriage.
The issue is when pro life conservatives (who think abortion is murder), vote for a guy who is the father of an aborted baby (but he says pro life things).  If you want to vote for a Republican that’s married to a guy, I have no issue with that.  If you want to vote for a Republican candidate who is married to a guy and wants gay marraige banned for other people, I do have an issue with that.  Matt Schlapp’s anti gay comments that were followed by him sexually assaulting a man.  Now if he wasn’t married to someone else, if he was fine with others doing it, and if it was consensual, I wouldn’t have an issue with it.  But it’s none of these, so it’s hypocritical.

When someone says that they are a conservative, that doesn't mean that all of their thinking has to line up with a strict guideline.
If you don’t look at issues through a partisan lens, you’re an independent.  Most Americans are independents by this definition.  But most of our politicians aren’t; they just say what the base wants to hear instead of coming to their own conclusions.
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The issue is when pro life conservatives (who think abortion is murder), vote for a guy who is the father of an aborted baby (but he says pro life things).  If you want to vote for a Republican that’s married to a guy, I have no issue with that.  If you want to vote for a Republican candidate who is married to a guy and wants gay marraige banned for other people, I do have an issue with that.  Matt Schlapp’s anti gay comments that were followed by him sexually assaulting a man.  Now if he wasn’t married to someone else, if he was fine with others doing it, and if it was consensual, I wouldn’t have an issue with it.  But it’s none of these, so it’s hypocritical.
I agree, but again, not all conservatives think this way. 

So when you say the conservative movement, what your really saying is I don't respect the conservatives who contradict what they preach.
You can't disagree with a whole movement because a couple of people are incompetent in that movement, but you still agree with the basic values. 

If you don’t look at issues through a partisan lens, you’re an independent.  Most Americans are independents by this definition.  But most of our politicians aren’t; they just say what the base wants to hear instead of coming to their own conclusions.
I agree.
This is why I like Trump, because he says things no one expects him to, and speaks his mind. 


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Can you give me an example of the government limiting speech to fit an ideology...

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I don't click on links from strangers. Distill the part where the government is literally saying "This person doesn't recognize gay marriage, let's persecute them using government resources" and quote it. 
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I don't click on links from strangers.
You really shouldn't be online with that kind of paranoia. Or anywhere outside your house.

and quote it. 
I thought you preferred to attack posters personally instead of the ideas they agree with. Color me skeptical regarding your repeated faux good faith discussion deceptions.
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So when you say the conservative movement, what your really saying is I don't respect the conservatives who contradict what they preach.
You can't disagree with a whole movement because a couple of people are incompetent in that movement, but you still agree with the basic values. 
Most of the conservative movement supports hypocrites that call themselves republican.  Walker almost beat Warnock.  Moore almost beat Jones.

 This is why I like Trump, because he says things no one expects him to, and speaks his mind.
I think you like Trump because he agrees with you on policy.  If Trump said something nobody expected to and spoke his mind (if he advocated abolishing ICE or legalizing late term abortion), most of his base would abandon him.  This is because they would disagree with the things he said, not because of the predictability of what he says or him speaking his mind.  Now if he said right wing things in addition to that, maybe the base would forgive him.  But if Trump was a democrat that spoke his mind, his current base wouldn’t support them because to them, it’s about policy.

Trump DOES think for himself.  He backed many left wing ideas.  But most of his base just believes certain ideas because Trump said them.  Can you name one disagreement on policy you have with Trump?


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 Walker almost beat Warnock. 
maybe Walker lost because a lot of Republicans stayed home, and Walker only got the independent vote.

Can you name one disagreement on policy you have with Trump?
Covid lockdowns, Deficit spending, Military spending.
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maybe Walker lost because a lot of Republicans stayed home, and Walker only got the independent vote.
Doubt it; not that many independents in Georgia.  Independents went with Warnock because the independents looked at Walker as a stupid hypocrite fuck boy who would rather be a werewolf than a vampire and they looked at Warnock as a smart politician.
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Covid lockdowns, Deficit spending, Military spending.
You’re a libetarian; libetarians have many disagreements and aggrements with Trump and I respect them for that.  But I don’t think the MAGA base can state areas where they disagree with Trump.
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Doubt it;

Don't be so sure, independents really don't give a flying fuck about abortion.
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@Greyparrot
It's the Democrats that want to have a regime closest to Putin's with media control, censorship and eliminating opposition. 
The slim hope America has is for Republicans to break away from the Democrats and allow actual Democracy and a government run by the people and not oligarchs, because Democrat voters are most certainly not going to change the current bread and circus regime.

America certainly doesn't need to "retain" that shit.

Democracy of old where people spoke their minds without fear is a relic of the past and is now labeled as Extreme.
You are a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan I see.
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I don't click on links from strangers. 
And there's nobody stranger than Greyparrot.
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You are a Marjorie Taylor Greene fan I see.

More like a George Orwell fan.