I have nothing against trans surgeries. I consider them necessary for those who desire it. In the worst case, we gain knowledge from observing the person after surgery to learn if surgery was beneficial.
Idaho plans to ban transgender treatment for minors
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@Best.Korea
necessary for those who desire it
Do you have a problem with surgically fusing the legs of 5 year olds together because they necessarily desire to be a mermaid?
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@Greyparrot
I believe that a person who has "the desire to be mermaid when he is not" does not have a very high suicide rate and depression rate that changes when the desire is fullfilled.
Plus, I listen to what trans kids say about trans surgeries and it means a lot to them, apparently.
In about 10-20 years we will know if we were right.
Do you have a problem with surgically fusing the legs of 5 year olds together because they necessarily desire to be a mermaid?
You’re an idiot
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@TheMorningsStar
What, precisely, makes me a "weirdo" just for being an ordained Hellenist?
This is what makes you a weirdo
Hellenism is, in practice, primarily centered around polytheistic and animistic worship. Devotees worship the Greek gods, which are the Olympians, divinities and spirits of nature (such as nymphs), underworld deities (chthonic gods) and heroes. Both physical and spiritual ancestors are greatly honored.
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@Best.Korea
I believe that a person who has "the desire to be mermaid when he is not" does not have a very high suicide rate and depression rate that changes when the desire is fullfilled.
With this logic, you could argue that giving drugs to someone who desires it, will fix there problems.
Same with alcohol.
Sometimes we desire things that are not good, necessary, or beneficial for us.
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@YouFound_Lxam
With this logic, you could argue that giving drugs to someone who desires it, will fix there problems.Same with alcohol.
Is a false claim. Drugs and alcohol usually dont fix any problems. They usually increase problems greatly.
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@Best.Korea
Drugs are medically proven to lower suicide rates at a greater rate than cosmetic mutilation surgeries.
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@Greyparrot
Drugs are medically proven to lower suicide rates at a greater rate than cosmetic mutilation surgeries.
Is a false claim. Heroin users are the example of what happens when a person tries to solve depression with drugs. They usually end up mentally damaged and addicted, sometimes to the point where they even lose sentience. And that is when we ignore other diseases that follow, or the defects that happen in children that have drug addict parents.
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@Best.Korea
Heroin is a strawman regarding the wide class of therapeutic drugs.
Even natural supplements show better outcomes over cosmetic surgeries.
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@Best.Korea
Is a false claim. Drugs and alcohol usually dont fix any problems. They usually increase problems greatly.
No. Drugs are in medicine, but medicine can still be abused.
Reassignment surgery is solely based off of how someone feels, and has nothing to do with any physical disability.
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@Greyparrot
regarding the wide class of therapeutic drugs.
Is a false claim, since the argument made in post 36 was not talking about beneficial drugs, but harmful drugs.
If you hold opinion that "beneficial drugs make trans surgery unnecessary", such opinion cannot be supported by "beneficial drugs reducing suicide rate in regular people", since it was not proven that "a trans person who had trans surgery and used beneficial drugs" results in same or higher rate of "suicides or depression or violence" than "a trans person who didnt have trans surgery but used beneficial drugs".
Some time needs to pass before the benefit of trans surgeries is confirmed, but some studies do suggest that there is benefit.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Drugs are in medicine, but medicine can still be abused.
Is not relevant. My claim was not "to give medicine on demand", nor is the effect of "giving medicide on demand" proven to be the same as the effect of "giving surgeries on demand after being approved by doctor".
Trying to disprove something by "equalizing it to a different thing and then disproving that different thing" is usually a nonsense.
guys. we gotta stop assuming stuff about what other people say and just ask them. for example #36 doesnt specify types of drugs youfound lxam meant.
is there any evidence to show a childs tendancy to suicide upon their legs being fused? all i know is that people who do lose use of their legs tend to struggle more physically and emotionally.
also a person's belief's dont make them weird. it may make it strange to the person observing them, until you understand why they believe what they believe.
are we having fun yet?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
This is what makes you a weirdoHellenism is, in practice, primarily centered around polytheistic and animistic worship. Devotees worship the Greek gods, which are the Olympians, divinities and spirits of nature (such as nymphs), underworld deities (chthonic gods) and heroes. Both physical and spiritual ancestors are greatly honored.
I know what Hellenism is. The issue, so far, is that it is a non-sequitur.
P1) I am an ordained Hellenist.
P2) Hellenism is, in practice, primarily centered around polytheistic and animistic worship. Devotees worship the Greek gods, which are the Olympians, divinities and spirits of nature (such as nymphs), underworld deities (chthonic gods) and heroes. Both physical and spiritual ancestors are greatly honored.
P3) ???
C) I am a "weirdo"
You need to fill out what P3 is (possibly even have more than just 3 premises).
Furthermore, you ignored the more substantial parts of the comment, the parts actually related to the topic at hand.
It genuinely makes me suspect that you have no response but refuse to admit your ignorance on the matter, hence the focus on my religious convictions which have no bearing on the topic at hand.
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@Greyparrot
necessary for those who desire itDo you have a problem with surgically fusing the legs of 5 year olds together because they necessarily desire to be a mermaid?
Yes, but only for white girls, the right throws a temper tantrum if a black girl does it, they don't want anyone to pollute the purity of the mermaid race.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Reassignment surgery is solely based off of how someone feels, and has nothing to do with any physical disability.
Correct. Which is why it should always be categorized as an elective surgery. If they want it, they pay for it. Not the taxpayers. Not insurance companies.
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@TheMorningsStar
I know what Hellenism is. The issue, so far, is that it is a non-sequitur.
Oh no, it’s totally relevant. Why would anyone want to hear from a weirdo?
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@TheMorningsStar
It genuinely makes me suspect that you have no response but refuse to admit your ignorance on the matter,
I don’t need to be well versed on the subject because I listen to credentialed doctors, psychiatrists, and psychologists on this subject and not “ordained” Hellenist Priests. You are talking out of your ass and quoting some flawed study.
You cite a source that is critical of the conclusions you were trying to advance.
“We … take issue with their problematic analysis and their flawed conclusions, which they use to justify the misguided notion that anything other than “affirmative” psychotherapy for gender dysphoria (GD) is harmful and should be banned. Their analysis is compromised by serious methodological flaws, including the use of a biased data sample, reliance on survey questions with poor validity, and the omission of a key control variable, namely subjects’ baseline mental health status. Further, their conclusions are not supported by their own analysis. While they claim to have found evidence that GICE is associated with psychological distress, what they actually found was that those recalling GICE were more likely to be suffering from serious mental illness. Further, Turban et al.’s choice to interpret the said association as evidence of harms of GICE disregards the fact that neither the presence nor the direction of causation can be discerned from this study due to its cross-sectional design. In fact, an alternative explanation for the found association—that individuals with poor underlying mental health were less likely to be affirmed by their therapist as transgender—is just as likely, based on the data presented”
So now you are not only a weirdo but a dummy.
This site always reaffirms and validates my conclusion that weirdos and idiots tend to be right wing.
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@TheMorningsStar
The GOP does typically hold to a limited government, but they also hold to certain jobs the government is meant to uphold, and that is to protect the lives of the citizens and the well-being of minors. This very much is inline with that.
In other words, small government until my agenda gets tabled, and then big government is fine.
The reason we don't see God in a burning bush anymore is because God is in God Prison for being convicted of Poor Design.
Why would anyone use quarks to build anything?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You cite a source that is critical of the conclusions you were trying to advance.
Really now? Your quoted section doesn't really do that, as the part you are relying on for your "point" is about the relationship between conversion therapy (GICE) and serious mental illness, not non-affirming therapy and serious mental illness (in fact, one of the main points of the paper is them calling out the conflation of non-affirming, neutral therapies with conversion therapy). You should try actually reading the paper with an unbiased mind next time rather than misrepresent it to try and prove your point.
So far, not a single one of your comments that has responded to me has been without logical fallacies. Maybe you should actually read up on logic before continuing?
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@Double_R
No, it is "small government dedicated to X, Y, and Z". Try not to misrepresent people all your life, it is unbecoming of you.
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@TheMorningsStar
Is it a flawed study or not?
Did you offer a sacrifice to the Gods before reading the study?
“We … take issue with their problematic analysis and their flawed conclusions, which they use to justify the misguided notion that anything other than “affirmative” psychotherapy for gender dysphoria (GD) is harmful and should be banned. Their analysis is compromised by serious methodological flaws, including the use of a biased data sample, reliance on survey questions with poor validity, and the omission of a key control variable, namely subjects’ baseline mental health status. Further, their conclusions are not supported by their own analysis”
What are the chances that one part of a study is seriously flawed and another part is valid? What do the Gods say?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Is it a flawed study or not? [...] What are the chances that one part of a study is seriously flawed and another part is valid?
I'm sorry, but maybe you should reread what I have said.
The paper I used is one that is calling out another paper.
Nowhere did I use the study being called out to support my arguments, I only used the paper that is calling out the flawed study and then other studies that address a different, though tangentially related, issue.
So, is the study that is being called out by the paper I sourced flawed? Yes.
Does that negatively impact any of the points I am making? No.
I seriously think you need to learn to read more carefully if you are making this mistake (though, with your insistence on using logical fallacies, I doubt that you are unintentionally making this mistake)
Did you offer a sacrifice to the Gods before reading the study? [...] What do the Gods say?
Again, relevance?
Is this just you being anti-theistic?
I also find it funny how you say, "This site always reaffirms and validates my conclusion that weirdos and idiots tend to be right wing." seemingly, in part, as a response to me being a Hellenist when the majority of Hellenists are actually on your side on this issue, but you wouldn't know that, would you?
It is hard to believe your claim on your profile of being a "Captain and helicopter pilot in the Marines" considering the level of maturity you display here.
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@TheMorningsStar
It is hard to believe your claim on your profile of being a "Captain and helicopter pilot in the Marines" considering the level of maturity you display here.
It would be hard for you to believe someone like me exists
Are you saying the Gods aren’t relevant?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
This site always reaffirms and validates my conclusion that weirdos and idiots tend to be right wing.
The question becomes, does the GOP attract weirdos and idiots, or does it turn people into weirdos and idiots.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Serious question, why the hyperfocus on my religious convictions?
You create this thread addressing Idaho's plan to ban certain affirmation treatments for minors, but you spend so much of your responses to me focused on my religious views (which you had to look at my profile in order to even see, which means instead of focusing on the comment I made you looked beyond it to find something to address).
Are you just trolling? Do you have some sort of mental health issue that is causing you to be hyperfocused on it?