Religion is only for the highest and most evolved animals.

It is clear that only humans have developed a religious perspective on this planet. 

Other animal and life forms simply are not evolved enough to be able to consider let alone relate to a religious being or religion. 

It is ironic therefore that there are some, nominally called atheists that reject this evolution, preferring to live wild like animals and a yesteryear. 

Consider for instance - the curiosities that the so called elitists consider culture: living in the wild, eating vegetable, eating rare meat, eating raw meat, living like savages, living free spirited, without control or rules or social norms.  Each of these is a desire, so it seems to revert back to animalism. to a time before they were enlightened, spiritually awakened, evolved.  eat whatever, copulate with whatever, crap wherever, and the most obvious form of animal thinking, dispense with logical thinking. 

Atheism is therefore obviously a non-progressive form of thinking. It's not progressive, it's not conservative, it is simply a revert back to the most primitive means of living. 

To disagree with this - prove a more primitive animal than humanity has religion.

bible shows all of creation is religious, or at very least believes and obeys God.

i can argue that rocks are more religious than some people.

It is clear that only humans have developed a religious perspective on this planet. 

Other animal and life forms simply are not evolved enough to be able to consider let alone relate to a religious being or religion. 

It is ironic therefore that there are some, nominally called atheists that reject this evolution, preferring to live wild like animals and a yesteryear. 

Consider for instance - the curiosities that the so called elitists consider culture: living in the wild, eating vegetable, eating rare meat, eating raw meat, living like savages, living free spirited, without control or rules or social norms.  Each of these is a desire, so it seems to revert back to animalism. to a time before they were enlightened, spiritually awakened, evolved.  eat whatever, copulate with whatever, crap wherever, and the most obvious form of animal thinking, dispense with logical thinking. 

Atheism is therefore obviously a non-progressive form of thinking. It's not progressive, it's not conservative, it is simply a revert back to the most primitive means of living. 

You told us you do not believe in evolution, and now you are speaking about how religion has evolved in humans and not in animals, and claiming  therefore Atheists are not as evolved as Theists.  So you don't believe in evolution unless it's useful to make a point?

To disagree with this - prove a more primitive animal than humanity has religion.

You guys sure do misuse the idea of burden of proof, it is not valid to make an argument and wrap up with if you don't agree the burden of proof is on you, that's just not how logical arguments work.  It's also not valid to specify the manner in which one is allowed to disagree.

I can make a strong argument that "other animals and life forms" demonstrate rudimentary forms of religious behavior, and I think it  can be seen as evidence thatthe spiritual sense has evolved over time and the process involves rudimentary forms of religious behavior in other species  in varying degrees.  But I suspect that wouled just be a waste of time.

Where did you see atheists that are living like wild animals, without control, rules or social norms? Who are they? I don't know any atheists who could be described in that way. Tell me where I can find them or read about them.

So, this is a topic to roast rabid atheists, aint it?

At least you have a point, we human beings are in an ongoing evolutionary process. Thats why we still have religions -and also atheism- today.

But I agree with you, atheism is as primitive as religions.

IlDiavolo wrote: So, this is a topic to roast rabid atheists, aint it?

The Reverend wrote: Yeah, I confess, I felt like roasting an atheist.  I just want to even up the scores a little bit. 

IlDiavolo wrote: So, this is a topic to roast rabid atheists, aint it?

The Reverend wrote: Yeah, I confess, I felt like roasting an atheist.  I just want to even up the scores a little bit. 

Where did you see atheists that are living like wild animals, without control, rules or social norms? Who are they? I don't know any atheists who could be described in that way. Tell me where I can find them or read about them.

Yes, I see them at parties, nightclubs, people getting themselves intoxicated on alcohol, drugs, sex, you name it. Of course, you might be tempted to say atheists don't drink or take drugs, or have sex. 

I also notice them at restaurants, eating sushi, rare meat, vegan food, etc.  It's quote common really.  Or do you think atheists don't go to restaurants? The rarer the meat, the more cultured you are.  The more expensive the wine, and never ever drink beer. 

So if you want to see them, come to Melbourne, you will see them on almost any city street during lunchtime, or in the evening at all the plush cafes'.

 I'm more interested in discussing your ideas about the bible.

This is a foundation for a much larger fundamental difference between Christianity and right-wing politics and atheism and left-wing politics. Christianity ultimately yearns for a higher state that transcends the flesh which is inherently flawed meanwhile the ENTIRE FUCKING foundation for liberalism assumes a positive natural state in which humans must enter a "social contract" with government. 

Left-wing politics is foundationally primitive

One does not need to subscribe to a religion to be able to understand the naive hypothesis behind it.

I would also suggest that atheism is actually a more progressive concept than theism.

The rejection of archaic naivety in favour of logical realism.

1. The theist accepts that it was a magical floaty about Middle Eastern bloke what did it.

2. The atheist assesses the theistic concept and realises how stupid an idea it is.

As ever:

GOD concept valid.

Floaty about Arabian type, not so.

are you asserting rocks dont praise out of desire/freewill?

would you argue humans also dont have freewill? you are on a slippery slope in assuming inanimate objects dont have a desire/will.

You make atheists sound like a bunch of weirdos.

Be that as it may, I'm more interested in discussing your ideas about the bible.

I have nothing further to say about the topic of this thread.

you can reject what you want, but scripture makes it clear that even rocks have a will. that even the earth is "groaning" according to scripture, desiring for the manifestation of the sons of God.

you seem very confident in your ignorance. if you want verses, just @me